Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gav]

37 minutes ago, lraC said:

O2.pdf Here is the text from Michel Salgado, that I have mentioned before. This along with an E Mail to Lancashire police is amongst many exhibits that show what was happening back on 2012 and are available in the Rovers Revisited blog for anyone, who cares to take a look.

Is it any different now, who knows?

They were just badly advised IraC, they've learnt the lesson now I'm sure.

Have contracts for our well established squad team players been signed yet? Or are we looking at cheap players with inflated commissions to fill those gaps 😤

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We are not set up for a good Manager because our Owners don't know their Arse from their Elbow.

We are in a perpetual state of mediocrity,rudderless...all Roads lead back to the goons in Pune.

Round and round we go!

Edited November 8, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Spartakfenni]

2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

No arguments from me either 🙂....I was just trying to say that there's more than one way to get success. Without a decent manager though, it's impossible.

Yeah, Sheff U were poor alright, in complete contrast to Fulham who they came down with.

It was the first home game I’ve missed this season. My cousin was having her 50th birthday party. I wished she’d have had it when we played Fulham.😫

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

They were just badly advised IraC, they've learnt the lesson now I'm sure.

Have contracts for our well established squad team players been signed yet? Or are we looking at cheap players with inflated commissions to fill those gaps 😤

I think bad luck follows them around. Fancy an employee making up horrible stories like this, about such humble people. No wonder they sacked him.

Blackburn Rovers' boss in assault probe | Lancashire Telegraph

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

I think bad luck follows them around. Fancy an employee making up horrible stories like this, about such humble people. No wonder they sacked him.

Blackburn Rovers' boss in assault probe | Lancashire Telegraph

And what was the outcome of said investigation?

I mean heaven forbid the employee in question had actually been sacked for stealing and was making stuff up.

We haven't a clue one way or the other. But never mind it's an excuse to throw some mud around.

Edited November 8, 2021 by RevidgeBlue

[lraC]

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

And what was the outcome of said investigation?

I mean heaven forbid the employee in question had been sacked for stealing and was making stuff up.

We haven't a clue one way or the other. But never mind it's an excuse to throw some mud around.

I don't know, but hopefully not guilty, as the employee had made it up. They have form for stuff like this the LT i guess.

Edited November 8, 2021 by lraC
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[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, lraC said:

O2.pdf Here is the text from Michel Salgado, that I have mentioned before. This along with an E Mail to Lancashire police is amongst many exhibits that show what was happening back on 2012 and are available in the Rovers Revisited blog for anyone, who cares to take a look.

Is it any different now, who knows?

Can't open the link.

Is it the text where he's alleging they were made an offer of 80% to pay off their contracts.

With all due respect to Salgado/ Nelsen et al I I don't think it's as sinister or straightforward as he is making out as under John Williams we had a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts who only had to play about 15 games to be guaranteed a new deal for the following year and obviously we had to get out of that cycle.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, lraC said:

I don't know, but hopefully not guilty, as the employee had made it up. They have form for stuff like this the LT i guess.

Im guessing you're being sarcastic in which case, don't be childish.

It's perfectly legitimate for the LT to report the story as the allegations were made but that doesn't automatically mean there 's any substance to them.

Why are you raking up non stories from  10+ years ago? If you want to criticise the owners there's a mountain of stuff you can legitimately go at surrounding their running of the Club over the years without descending back into the conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[Craigman]

Looks like Bristol City’s Nigel Pearson is stepping down. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Craigman said:

Looks like Bristol City’s Nigel Pearson is stepping down. 

That’s a blow, we play them next.

[lraC]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Im guessing you're being sarcastic in which case, don't be childish.

It's perfectly legitimate for the LT to report the story as the allegations were made but that doesn't automatically mean there 's any substance to them.

Why are you raking up non stories from  10+ years ago? If you want to criticise the owners there's a mountain of stuff you can legitimately go at surrounding their running of the Club over the years without descending back into the conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

Not at all, I am jut saying how trouble seems to follow this family around.

Here is some more mud.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackburn-chairwoman-anuradha-desai-faces-3314094.amp

[tomphil]

Briefly caught a bit on talksport from Warnock off the special broadcast they are doing for him.

'All the successes iv'e had have come at places were there was a very good chairman'

Basically you can't do it without that and we don't even have one and haven't had one through Vs entire reign.  

[lraC]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Im guessing you're being sarcastic in which case, don't be childish.

It's perfectly legitimate for the LT to report the story as the allegations were made but that doesn't automatically mean there 's any substance to them.

Why are you raking up non stories from  10+ years ago? If you want to criticise the owners there's a mountain of stuff you can legitimately go at surrounding their running of the Club over the years without descending back into the conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

Like anything unless you keep your eye on the ball and accept that lots of things happening can't all be totally innocent, then it would be very easy, for someone to turn round and say, told you do, why did you not listen, when the mud really hits the fan.

It really doesn't matter how long ago it was, I did not make these stories up, I am simply reminding people of what things have been said. Some may be true, some not, but as we know there are plenty who want to put Venky's miss fortune down to bad advice/ luck.

It can't all be down to that can it?

[lraC]

47 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Can't open the link.

Is it the text where he's alleging they were made an offer of 80% to pay off their contracts.

With all due respect to Salgado/ Nelsen et al I I don't think it's as sinister or straightforward as he is making out as under John Williams we had a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts who only had to play about 15 games to be guaranteed a new deal for the following year and obviously we had to get out of that cycle.

Yes that's correct. The players alleged to have had their contracts paid up, as per this text are Solgado himself, Brett Emerton, Ryan Nelson (did you hear him confirm the same thing in his interview posted on here on Saturday/) and Keith Andrew. All these ludicrous contracts, were cancelled in favour of Leon Best, Danny Murphy, Bradly Orr, Dickson Etuhu and Myles Anderson.

Although perhaps it is only alleged that these contracts were cancelled, the signing made to replace them, were pretty real.

Not more mud against the wall, hard facts, but granted a while ago and perhaps repeated with the likes of Mulgrew, Bennett and Smallwood, more recently?

Edited November 8, 2021 by lraC
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[booth]

3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

I'm not sure about that.

For managers looking in, they will see that Mowbray has had 5 pretty much pressure free years at the job, decent backing overall with transfer fees, free transfers (if they are from Middlesbrough), loan fees/wages. He's only had to sell one player in his time here, and even employed his own CEO.

Who wouldn't want some of that action?

Because according to some Mowbray isn't on much at Rovers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Wheelton Blue]

31 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Briefly caught a bit on talksport from Warnock off the special broadcast they are doing for him.

'All the successes iv'e had have come at places were there was a very good chairman'

Basically you can't do it without that and we don't even have one and haven't had one through Vs entire reign.  

I suppose the modern day equivalent of a chairman is a CEO, which we do have.

Not a very good one, mind you.

[tomphil]

I'm not sure what he is actually a Chief of though.

[Gav]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Can't open the link.

Is it the text where he's alleging they were made an offer of 80% to pay off their contracts.

With all due respect to Salgado/ Nelsen et al I I don't think it's as sinister or straightforward as he is making out as under John Williams we had a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts who only had to play about 15 games to be guaranteed a new deal for the following year and obviously we had to get out of that cycle.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Can't open the link.

Is it the text where he's alleging they were made an offer of 80% to pay off their contracts.

With all due respect to Salgado/ Nelsen et al I I don't think it's as sinister or straightforward as he is making out as under John Williams we had a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts who only had to play about 15 games to be guaranteed a new deal for the following year and obviously we had to get out of that cycle.

As I recall, Williams' policy of having "a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts" had us in top half of the Premier League year after year plus many excellent cup runs. We certainly did get out of that cycle when the idiots who now own us took over.

[lraC]

Here is the Nelsen Interview, where he pulls no punches and says it as it is. He was told, to go and pick his stuff up, so no goodbyes or anything else to anyone and if he did, he would be paid 80% of his contract.

He did exactly that and received a call a few days later from Harry Redknapp asking him to sign for Spurs.

The debate about john Williams giving him and other players Ludicrous contracts, is up for discussion, but what is not up for debate, is the players brought in to replace these players, got us relegated from the prem and nearly from the Championship too.

I don't really care, if I am bringing things up from 10 years ago, I haven't forgiven or forgotten, bit perhaps I am in the minority?

 

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[lraC]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

As I recall, Williams' policy of having "a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts" had us in top half of the Premier League year after year plus many excellent cup runs. We certainly did get out of that cycle when the idiots who now own us took over.

Exactly and I can't quite get my head round, why the poster has said what he has.

Vey baffling, to say the least.

[Gav]

12 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

As I recall, Williams' policy of having "a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts" had us in top half of the Premier League year after year plus many excellent cup runs. 

Now we're £140m in debt with many 1st team players out of contract.

Bad advice? 

[lraC]

1 minute ago, Gav said:

Now we're £140m in debt with many 1st team players out of contract.

Bad advice? 

Bad advice, bad luck, made up stories, who knows? What I do know though, is I don't trust the people making the decisions still and I for one am therefore firmly on my guard with them.

[Leonard Venkhater]

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

Bad advice, bad luck, made up stories, who knows? What I do know though, is I don't trust the people making the decisions still and I for one am therefore firmly on my guard with them.

Bad advice, my arse!

It would be so nice and convenient to lay the blame on anyone other than the people, who still own the club. I get that.

All you have to do is look at the quality of people appointed to key positions at the club over 11 years. It is a pattern and we have had to endure a long line of clowns and shysters. This continued long after people said Venky's had learned from their mistakes...

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Leonard Venkhater
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[lraC]

2 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Bad advice, my arse!

It would be so nice and convenient to lay the blame on anyone other than the people, who still own the club. I get that.

All you have to do is look at the quality of people appointed to key positions at the club over 11 years. It is a pattern and we have had to endure a long line of clowns and shysters. This continued long after people said Venky's had leaned from their mistakes...

 

Absolutely yet some people some people seem to have forgiven forgotten and someone seems to have taken offence at me, posting a link to stories from the past, that allege things may not all be sweetness and light at Venky Towers.