Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gav]

29 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

mowbray would`nt get us promoted if venkys gave him 100 million quid

Nonsense and yes he would. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, blue_n_white99 said:

Since we couldn't score in a brothel how do expect us to fair in these twists and turns. One thing consistent about TM are these death spirals, anything else is pure hope and that hope reduces in the summer when 3 or 4 walk out the door for free. He's had his snout in the trough long enough and apart from a little excitement leading up to Christmas he has been mediocre at best, time to part ways and get a little drive and enthusiasm in this side.

We will be part of twists and turns. 

Who knows what Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe will do. 

6 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Maybe.

But going off facts, we're dropping like a stone and can't score for toffee. Boro and Forest are improving.

Dropping a couple of places is dropping like a stone now? 

Despite our bad run we still beat Boro didn't we? 

WBA have dropped like a stone like I predicted they would. Ismael was a disaster for them despite their good start to the season

[Mattyblue]

No because the bad run started after Boro. 

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, Nuttall is lost said:

I only mentioned his name Wednesday night that Hughes would be a great appointment as he was unemployed for 4 years and almost the forgotten man in management.  Then out of nowhere he goes to Bradford when I wake up yesterday morning.

If Mowbray goes then there aren;t many replacements lined up:

 

Pulis

Keane

Ranieiri

Martin O'Neill

what a very poor managers there and most are yesterday men and not what we should be targeting as a replacement for Mowbray if we do part ways. 

Here my shortlist

Damien Johnson as internal candidate 

Neil Critchley from Blackpool

Mark Robins from Coventry

Paul Warne from Rotherham

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe

2 Left field choices

Rob Edwards from Forest Green Rovers(could be another Steve Cooper)

Kjetil Knutsen from bodo glimt in Norway

Edited February 25, 2022 by chaddyrovers

[matt83]

I wouldn’t get too bogged down in who would be a good theoretical replacement for Mowbray. Some appointments that look good on paper turn into a disaster and some that look crap bizarrely work.

Even here a lot were horrified at Mowbray’s appointment very much yesterday’s man even back in 2017. A promotion to the prem a decade before we appointed him then an abysmal spell at Celtic and nothing efforts at boro/Coventry. Despite this he’s actually done an average job here better than most would have predicted. Even though not one single fan 5 years ago would have been touting Mowbray to replace Coyle

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, matt83 said:

I wouldn’t get too bogged down in who would be a good theoretical replacement for Mowbray. Some appointments that look good on paper turn into a disaster and some that look crap bizarrely work.

Even here a lot were horrified at Mowbray’s appointment very much yesterday’s man even back in 2017. A promotion to the prem a decade before we appointed him then an abysmal spell at Celtic and nothing efforts at boro/Coventry. Despite this he’s actually done an average job here better than most would have predicted. Even though not one single fan 5 years ago would have been touting Mowbray to replace Coyle

Wasn't Nigel Adkins the favourite for the job when Coyle sacked? 

[matt83]

I honestly can’t remember who we were linked with. The usual Venkys trait was to sack someone then take 5 weeks to replace them or just give it to someone already there. I seem to recall Mowbray was appointed fairly swiftly suggesting he was the target. Again I can’t recall which charlatan was in the swag hot seat at the time but how or why they landed on Mowbray will probably forever remain a mystery.   

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, matt83 said:

I honestly can’t remember who we were linked with. The usual Venkys trait was to sack someone then take 5 weeks to replace them or just give it to someone already there. I seem to recall Mowbray was appointed fairly swiftly suggesting he was the target. Again I can’t recall which charlatan was in the swag hot seat at the time but how or why they landed on Mowbray will probably forever remain a mystery.   

Mowbray was appointed the day after Coyle was sacked if I remember correctly. 

Paul Senior was here a Director of football operations. 

I emailed Paul asking him why we appoint him, etc. He replied. We exchanged a few emails during his time here

[davulsukur]

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

If he achieved top 6 with promotion or not I would offer a new contract. 

Well Bruce did go there. 

Budget constraints are fact. 

Yes correct there but now we are over achieving and in promotion push

We are in the top 6 mix. 

We are nowhere near as bad as when Coyle was here. Look at the squad he had and the players he bought in

It would be crazy to offer him a new deal if we don't get promoted. What if we finish 12th? 2nd down to 12th and you'd still give him a new deal?

I'm more inclined to agree with @Mercer, I'd probably bin him even of he got us promoted. No it wouldn't happen and it would be harsh but there is zero chance he would make a reasonable fist of staying up in the Prem.

If we are overachieving now, then Where should we be? Because if the answer is midtable then we've made absolutely zero progress under Mowbray in the last 3 seasons and just strengthens the argument to bin him.

I have no doubts that we won't finish the season in a playoff place and signing Mowbray up to a new deal shows a total lack of ambition.

[matt83]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Mowbray was appointed the day after Coyle was sacked if I remember correctly. 

Paul Senior was here a Director of football operations. 

I emailed Paul asking him why we appoint him, etc. He replied. We exchanged a few emails during his time here

What was the reason out of interest?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

what a very poor managers there and most are yesterday men and not what we should be targeting as a replacement for Mowbray if we do part ways. 

Here my shortlist

Damien Johnson as internal candidate 

Neil Critchley from Blackpool

Mark Robins from Coventry

Paul Warne from Rotherham

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe

2 Left field choices

Rob Edwards from Forest Green Rovers(could be another Steve Cooper)

Kjetil Knutsen from bodo glimt in Norway

I look at some of those, and I think why would they come to Rovers ?

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

It would be crazy to offer him a new deal if we don't get promoted. What if we finish 12th? 2nd down to 12th and you'd still give him a new deal?

I said I would offer him new contract if we finish top 6 whether we got promote or not. After that I would for new manager/head coach for next season. 

12 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

If we are overachieving now, then Where should we be? Because if the answer is midtable then we've made absolutely zero progress under Mowbray in the last 3 seasons and just strengthens the argument to bin him 

I think we are over achieving this season considering our budget which is mid table. 

Last season we massive under achieved as we should have top 6 considering our squad. Mowbray should have been sacked last season but wasn't. 

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, matt83 said:

What was the reason out of interest?

I find the email after and post them later. 

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I look at some of those, and I think why would they come to Rovers ?

Ok fair enough. But it's a better shortlist IMO then same old names we hear every time that most are yesterday men IMO

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I find the email after and post them later. 

Ok fair enough. But it's a better shortlist IMO then same old names we hear every time that most are yesterday men IMO

Some good names on it Chaddy but they seem settled where they are.

[davulsukur]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I said I would offer him new contract if we finish top 6 whether we got promote or not. After that I would for new manager/head coach for next season.

Ok, I misread that, my bad.

[SuperBrfc]

Talking of Adkins, Southampton did precisely what we need to do if Mowbray gets us promoted. They recognised that Adkins wasn't the man for them in the Premier League and acted decisively by bringing in Pochettino, a major upgrade. That decision was a game changer for Southampton. No room for sentiment, but the fans still see Adkins in a fond light.

It sounds harsh, but if Mowbray was to get us promoted it would be a massive achievement considering the backdrop at the club and he would be able to leave with his head held high.

Rovers in the Premier League would be a whole new ball game. We would be able to attract better players and better managers. We shouldn't pass up on that out of sentiment for what Mowbray has done for us.

[JHRover]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

what a very poor managers there and most are yesterday men and not what we should be targeting as a replacement for Mowbray if we do part ways. 

Here my shortlist

Damien Johnson as internal candidate 

Neil Critchley from Blackpool

Mark Robins from Coventry

Paul Warne from Rotherham

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe

2 Left field choices

Rob Edwards from Forest Green Rovers(could be another Steve Cooper)

Kjetil Knutsen from bodo glimt in Norway

Robins is a similar manager to Mowbray IMO. Lots of good traits and steady away but will never be good enough for what we need to get to the PL. 

I'm not sure if or why Critchley would leave Blackpool to come here but even if he did he's not done anything other than what many others have done and got a side out of League One. How about Darren Ferguson?

Ainsworth and Warne have been relegated out of this league every time they have been in it. Great in League One, never done anything in the Championship.

Johnson has never managed. How does that qualify him to manage this great club?

All in all I think your list shows a complete lack of ambition and imagination, and for that reason is probably the sort of list that will get formed on Waggott's desk. Look local (in house) and look into the division below. Small time small scale mentality.

Even if this season ends in disappointment again, which it looks like it will, I would hope the club have got some determination/ambition to go one better next year.

[MarkBRFC]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I look at some of those, and I think why would they come to Rovers ?

I keep saying this, but why wouldn't they?

Looking in from the outside they must see that Mowbray has had 5 years to build his squad and run the club how he sees fit, operated under very little pressure, only had to sell one lf his players in his 5 years here, had a decent budget to buy young strikers and players. Even got to employ his own CEO.

Who wouldn't want some of that?!

[Armchair supporter supremo]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

what a very poor managers there and most are yesterday men and not what we should be targeting as a replacement for Mowbray if we do part ways. 

Here my shortlist

Damien Johnson as internal candidate 

Neil Critchley from Blackpool

Mark Robins from Coventry

Paul Warne from Rotherham

Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe

2 Left field choices

Rob Edwards from Forest Green Rovers(could be another Steve Cooper)

Kjetil Knutsen from bodo glimt in Norway

If they're yesterday men then what is Mowbray 🙄  although i do agree that is a weak list! Pullis and keane wouldn't been in my top hundred candidates 

 

Ranieri I just love but it it does seem his managerial magic isn't what it once was, plus we need to be looking for someone for the long term not just for a season or 2

Edited February 25, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[Gav]

13 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

If they're yesterday men then what is Mowbray 🙄

Better placed and out performing all that dross.

[roverandout]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I said I would offer him new contract if we finish top 6 whether we got promote or not. After that I would for new manager/head coach for next season. 

I think we are over achieving this season considering our budget which is mid table. 

Last season we massive under achieved as we should have top 6 considering our squad. Mowbray should have been sacked last season but wasn't. 

But if we finish top 6 and don't go up then what difference does it make if we finish outside top 6? It's still failure.  So u will reward failure.  That's been the trouble with venkys from day 1

Edited February 25, 2022 by roverandout

[Armchair supporter supremo]

8 minutes ago, Gav said:

Better placed and out performing all that dross.

 

Yeah yeh and the venkys are evil bloodsuckers we know....😴 

 

Who is it again that you think is going to buy the club and do any  better if it was put up for sale? 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[Nuttall is lost]

I forgot Big Sam is available for the tiki taka

My choice would be Nuno Espirito Santo if he would come

Edited February 25, 2022 by Nuttall is lost

[Upside Down]

On 25/02/2022 at 02:07, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He can’t get us back in a game when we go behind - ever,  and he can’t halt a death spiral until it no longer matters. As I said the other day, we’ve been rewarding failure for too long. We get bullied and out enthused most of the time and I’m tired of saying it.

I'm tired of watching it.

[Gav]

14 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

 

Yeah yeh and the venkys are evil bloodsuckers we know....😴 

 

Who is it again that you think is going to buy the club and do any  better if it was put up for sale? 

We're talking about Mowbray cocker.