Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gav]

6 minutes ago, Gutted said:

If we'd have stuck with Mowbray's 'game plan' we'd have been comprehensively beaten. Fortunately his set up was so inept fans and players demanded change, with the odd exception such as yourself possibly. Thankfully common sense and professional pride prevailed. 

Mowbray changed the game at H/T -  3 points and 3 goals as a result, tremendous, We are all delighted.

Onwards and upwards. 

[Torgeir]

Smells of a little mutiny during HT here. Change of formation, two subs (Mowbray hardly ever make them at half time). After he said it wasn't about formation but about execution and that they hadn't prepared because the game came so soon the huge disappointment versus Bristol City. I don't know, just speculating. Johnno might have subbed himself off but at least the right subs were made. Players were tired, and so was Mowbray. Vital match before a good period of training coming up.

[tomphil]

I'm hoping a few away games against teams needing wins will see us back to our counter attacking. 3 home games have returned 4 out of 9 points which is pretty standard Mowbray era stuff.  So time to get back to picking some up on the road and hopefully he gets the plot back.

[AllRoverAsia]

The revolting players changed the game at H/T -  3 points and 3 goals as a result, tremendous, We are all delighted.

Onwards and upwards. 

[AllRoverAsia]

I suspect that Bradley J may struggle to play for us ever again under the current regime.

[47er]

10 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

What makes you say that?

Experience

[Torgeir]

8 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I suspect that Bradley J may struggle to play for us ever again under the current regime.

Did Rothwell and Johnno swap positions without Mowbrays consent? 

[AllRoverAsia]

30 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Did Rothwell and Johnno swap positions without Mowbrays consent? 

The instagram post will maybe not go down to well and ruffle some fragile egos

[lraC]

5 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

The instagram post will maybe not go down to well and ruffle some fragile egos

It’s brave of Johnson to say what he did on Twitter. When I first saw it, I questioned it’s validity, I was that surprised at seeing it. The fact that he was prepared to say it in response to a fans post, shows how angry he must have been. I find it hard to accept that he and the other players, sat back and accepted it and did not have a go at the manager about it. The boss is not always right.

Edited March 17, 2022 by lraC

[1864roverite]

9 hours ago, 47er said:

Experience

Of what exactly? 

[martonrover]

4 hours ago, lraC said:

It’s brave of Johnson to say what he did on Twitter. When I first saw it, I questioned it’s validity, I was that surprised at seeing it. The fact that he was prepared to say it in response to a fans post, shows how angry he must have been. I find it hard to accept that he and the other players, sat back and accepted it and did not have a go at the manager about it. The boss is not always right.

Yes, that Twitter post can definitely be construed as undermining the manager and broke the code of keeping dressing room politics in-house.

[AllRoverAsia]

11 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Yes, that Twitter post can definitely be construed as undermining the manager and broke the code of keeping dressing room politics in-house.

Meanwhile on RoversTV (there for all to see and hear before anyone denies it!) Mowbray says that there was player 'aggression' in the dressing room at HT and he wished a couple of them had shown the same aggression on the pitch .......

[47er]

23 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Of what exactly? 

Venkys---exactly.

[lraC]

15 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Meanwhile on RoversTV (there for all to see and hear before anyone denies it!) Mowbray says that there was player 'aggression' in the dressing room at HT and he wished a couple of them had shown the same aggression on the pitch .......

With some of the responses on here, I was starting to wonder if I had miss read Mowbray's body language and facial expressions, but given the admission he made about player aggression, perhaps not.

[AllRoverAsia]

9 minutes ago, lraC said:

With some of the responses on here, I was starting to wonder if I had miss read Mowbray's body language and facial expressions, but given the admission he made about player aggression, perhaps not.

There is a school of thought that we fans should not micro analyse what the manager says or does or how he acts or makes strange finger movements.

Well, I have tried to wean myself away from Mowbray drivel for years but it is addictive and more importantly unless his sayings and doings are reviewed how can anyone make an informed opinion and judge against known results and performance of the team. Surely an interest in the club dynamics is a good thing.

 

[lraC]

6 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

There is a school of thought that we fans should not micro analyse what the manager says or does or how he acts or makes strange finger movements.

Well, I have tried to wean myself away from Mowbray drivel for years but it is addictive and more importantly unless his sayings and doings are reviewed how can anyone make an informed opinion and judge against known results and performance of the team. Surely an interest in the club dynamics is a good thing.

 

Exactly my feelings. In addition to that, I was very impressed with what Mowbray said when he first arrived at the club and his early efforts, bringing some stability to the club were brilliant. I think back to little things like trying to persuade Connor Mahoney to stay and the statement when asked about why he took the job " This is Blackburn Rovers" was very impressive. His efforts in keeping us up to were fantastic and turning around what Coyle had done, was simply amazing.

Like may others, I have been hugely disappointed with the death spirals we go on and as a one off, I would accept that it was bad luck, or some other reason for the odd wobble. Dalglish suffered one, all those years ago. It is that more than anything else, that has me thinking he is stubborn and will not listen to an alternative view.

We can do very little as fans, so having a go, when it appears things are not as harmonious as they should be, is what it is all about in my opinion, be it on forums like this, or at the stadium.

We have a right of reply, as we have been here years in many cases not the 5 that the current manager has.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

Yes, that Twitter post can definitely be construed as undermining the manager and broke the code of keeping dressing room politics in-house.

Sorry i don't do twitter at all! 

What was said? 

Cheers 

[lraC]

3 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Sorry i don't do twitter at all! 

What was said? 

Cheers 

It is posted on here a few times now, but to save you searching, here it is again.

[Exiled in Toronto]

1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Meanwhile on RoversTV (there for all to see and hear before anyone denies it!) Mowbray says that there was player 'aggression' in the dressing room at HT and he wished a couple of them had shown the same aggression on the pitch .......

I got the impression from the full interview that the aggression was between the players, and I would have expected no less, especially given Lenihan/JRCs pushing match.

[AllRoverAsia]

36 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I got the impression from the full interview that the aggression was between the players, and I would have expected no less, especially given Lenihan/JRCs pushing match.

I agree, and perhaps the only way they could express their frustrations if they want to play for Rovers going forward.

[Miller11]

I don’t know how it came across on TV, but in Ewood I don’t think you could not get the impression that something went on at half time.

As the first half progressed it descended into farce. It was a bit like it used to be back in the Kean days. Some players looked bemused, some looked pissed off, some exasperated. Travis was visibly not happy, I thought we might have another Batty/Le Saux moment with Lenihan and JRC, and it looked as though Johnson and Rothwell decided to make their own tactical change. On top of all this the fans were (rightly) livid.

I came back up to my seat a couple of minutes before the restart and we were all complaining about how all the subs were still warming up so wouldn’t be coming on. Dack never came on to the pitch at half time on Saturday, so we weren’t expecting him to be there. All of a sudden he came out to the other subs and they quickly all headed down the tunnel. Gallagher clearly only entered the fray with a minute or so notice.

The second half was full of urgency and fight. It was blindingly obvious that any game plan had been thrown out and in it’s place was a dogged determination to score the goals to get back in the game by any means necessary. There seemed a lot more togetherness and encouragement between the players, as well as a very deliberate attempt to get the crowd back onside.

Then there’s the melancholic Mowbray post match interview. Something out of the ordinary definitely occurred.

[lraC]

13 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

I don’t know how it came across on TV, but in Ewood I don’t think you could not get the impression that something went on at half time.

As the first half progressed it descended into farce. It was a bit like it used to be back in the Kean days. Some players looked bemused, some looked pissed off, some exasperated. Travis was visibly not happy, I thought we might have another Batty/Le Saux moment with Lenihan and JRC, and it looked as though Johnson and Rothwell decided to make their own tactical change. On top of all this the fans were (rightly) livid.

I came back up to my seat a couple of minutes before the restart and we were all complaining about how all the subs were still warming up so wouldn’t be coming on. Dack never came on to the pitch at half time on Saturday, so we weren’t expecting him to be there. All of a sudden he came out to the other subs and they quickly all headed down the tunnel. Gallagher clearly only entered the fray with a minute or so notice.

The second half was full of urgency and fight. It was blindingly obvious that any game plan had been thrown out and in it’s place was a dogged determination to score the goals to get back in the game by any means necessary. There seemed a lot more togetherness and encouragement between the players, as well as a very deliberate attempt to get the crowd back onside.

Then there’s the melancholic Mowbray post match interview. Something out of the ordinary definitely occurred.

I watched it on Rovers TV due to being abroad and it was obvious something had gone on too.

The camera crew panned over to the motionless Mowbray a few times too, including after each goal.

I hope we went to the dentist on Wednesday, to remove the tooth that must have been causing the pained look on his face.

[roversfan99]

15 hours ago, Gutted said:

If we'd have stuck with Mowbray's 'game plan' we'd have been comprehensively beaten. Fortunately his set up was so inept fans and players demanded change, with the odd exception such as yourself possibly. Thankfully common sense and professional pride prevailed. 

We didn't though because he changed it, making early changes.

Some of the posts on here after the Derby game and the mental gymnastics employed to withhold any sort of praise towards the manager has been laughable.

[Torgeir]

We will see how things look come Reading away. Last season Mowbray looked deflated and was just sat on the bench similar to the second half versus Derby. He was also upset at the fans for the lack of support, and that could be part of the reason for his behaviour as the crowd was cleary upseton Tuesday night. From what I saw on RoversTV he didn't react with much joy when we scored either, and shook hands with the Derby staff before the final whistle - I don't know if he entered the pitch but hopefully there were some pats on the backs of players in the dressing room afterwards.

 

I hope both him and the players return to form and come out guns blazing on March 19.

[1864roverite]

7 hours ago, 47er said:

Venkys---exactly.

I thought you were actually talking of personal experience