Paul Mani Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said: Northern Prem if he’s lucky I’ve screenshot that one mate. Can’t wait to throw it in over the next 12 months! ? 3 Quote
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Paul Mani Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 55 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: I'll take this bet, there is no way Travis & Buckley will be our two regular central midfielders by christmas, or even this season. It would be madness anyway when we have Holtby on the books, he really should be in that position with Travis. I didn’t say they’d be our regular starting CM by Christmas. I said that Buckley would be playing / involved regularly from Christmas and that eventually I see him settling in CM next to Trav. Holtby is 100% not a CM. But hey ho. Game of opinions I guess. Quote
lraC Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Paul Mani said: He will finish up playing with Trav in the middle as a deep lying pivot. A Busquets type who has time on the ball. He will go on to play in the Prem. imo. At least we can see a player in there, as some of the dross we have had, over the last few years, are more like deep lying divots than pivots, whatever that is!! Edited November 6, 2019 by lraC 1 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, Paul Mani said: I didn’t say they’d be our regular starting CM by Christmas. I said that Buckley would be playing / involved regularly from Christmas and that eventually I see him settling in CM next to Trav. Holtby is 100% not a CM. But hey ho. Game of opinions I guess. Indeed, I always find it fascinating debating football as two people rarely see everything the same. Where would you play Holtby out of interest? I see him as an attacking central midfielder coming from deep who can chip in with the odd goal, play a killer pass, and who can put his foot in aswell rather than a number 10 type player who plays off the forward, if you look at his career stats he doesn't score enough goals for a number 10, and please dont go all Mowbray on me and suggest he should play as a wide forward! Think Travis and Holtby would make a cracking midfield pair if given 10/12 games together. 3 Quote
Paul Mani Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Just now, MarkBRFC said: Indeed, I always find it fascinating debating football as two people rarely see everything the same. Where would you play Holtby out of interest? I see him as an attacking central midfielder coming from deep who can chip in with the odd goal, play a killer pass, and who can put his foot in aswell rather than a number 10 type player who plays off the forward, if you look at his career stats he doesn't score enough goals for a number 10, and please dont go all Mowbray on me and suggest he should play as a wide forward! Think Travis and Holtby would make a cracking midfield pair if given 10/12 games together. I’m not saying they couldn’t play together tbh though I’d prefer to play with a three rather than a two. Mainly because neither Trav or Holtby have played there much in their careers. Trav has been a rb for all of his career. He still struggles at times with options and threats at 360 degrees as oppose to full back where you play roughly within a 45 degree arc. Holtby is naturally forward thinking and creative so needs that bit more protection. I think Buckley will play as a pivot (Busquets / Carrick) because that’s his natural position. His feet and mind are miles ahead of Trav now. He just Needs to fill out a bit and get a run in the team. But he can do the dirty stuff too and will not get caught out of position. I like the Idea of 4231 formation with something like Arma, Dack and Holtby sat in front of Trav and Buckley (who will dictate the play and step out when needed to make it a 4141). I can see that being used under this regime very soon. Still have decent options backing up too. Johnson, Davenport, Downing, Rothwell, JRC... Edited November 6, 2019 by Paul Mani 1 Quote
Wegerleswiggle Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: I didn’t say they’d be our regular starting CM by Christmas. I said that Buckley would be playing / involved regularly from Christmas and that eventually I see him settling in CM next to Trav. Holtby is 100% not a CM. But hey ho. Game of opinions I guess. I see Holtby as the exact same type of player as Dack. Only difference is you can use Holtby out wide if needed. If Dack goes in the summer then I have no doubt Holtby will play as the No.10. Quote
Wegerleswiggle Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, J*B said: And Lewis Travis isn't even in the top 20. We need to give him more money before we lose him. Quote
Backroom DE. Posted November 6, 2019 Backroom Posted November 6, 2019 No wonder Gallagher and Downing are starting regularly. Quote
MarkBRFC Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: I’m not saying they couldn’t play together tbh though I’d prefer to play with a three rather than a two. Mainly because neither Trav or Holtby have played there much in their careers. Trav has been a rb for all of his career. He still struggles at times with options and threats at 360 degrees as oppose to full back where you play roughly within a 45 degree arc. Holtby is naturally forward thinking and creative so needs that bit more protection. I think Buckley will play as a pivot (Busquets / Carrick) because that’s his natural position. His feet and mind are miles ahead of Trav now. He just Needs to fill out a bit and get a run in the team. But he can do the dirty stuff too and will not get caught out of position. I like the Idea of 4231 formation with something like Arma, Dack and Holtby sat in front of Trav and Buckley (who will dictate the play and step out when needed to make it a 4141). I can see that being used under this regime very soon. Still have decent options backing up too. Johnson, Davenport, Downing, Rothwell, JRC... Fair enough. I quite like the thought of Arma, Dack and Rothwell as the "attacking 3" with Travis & Holtby behind them if we are to persist with the 4231. I do look forward to seeing if your predictions about Buckley come true, I hope they do. 2 Quote
Mattyblue Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 40 grand a week for Sam Gallagher? The modern game, ay... Quote
tomphil Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Interesting if correct and i said from the min they declared their interest that Downing would be on big money and that should go towards a defender. He's turned out ok so far but i still maintain that money is down the pan it would have gone a long way towards Bauer or similar. Jobs for the boys. 1 Quote
JHRover Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 No way is Gallagher on 3x the wage Dack is. But if true that is going to come back to bite us big style. 1 Quote
Amo Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, JHRover said: No way is Gallagher on 3x the wage Dack is. But if true that is going to come back to bite us big style. We signed Dack in L1, so I can believe that. Quote
JHRover Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, Amo said: We signed Dack in L1, so I can believe that. We also gave him a new deal after promotion. I'd expect his agent to be kicking off big time if he was on a fraction of the wage of new signings. Quote
Backroom DE. Posted November 6, 2019 Backroom Posted November 6, 2019 Ridiculous if Gallagher is earning even a penny more than Dack, let alone 3x as much. Hopefully the figures are outdated. 2 Quote
Amo Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Just now, JHRover said: We also gave him a new deal after promotion. I'd expect his agent to be kicking off big time if he was on a fraction of the wage of new signings. True but still a Championship club, whereas Gallagher was on PL payscale. Edited November 6, 2019 by Amo Quote
tomphil Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 When you look at this seasons signings of Gally, Downing, Johnson there is over 4 million annually there in wages alone. Can't see that being right but you never know and if so crazy crazy stuff going on again. Then you look at the defence and keeper and lack of proper investment there it is no wonder he's getting question for his transfers now. Flabbergasted to be honest and a little bit concerned what the real motives are here. 1 Quote
matt83 Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 If those wages are right it’s bloody scandalous. If that wet paper bag is on £40,000 per week I will literally give up going. Anything over £5,000 would be exceedingly generous considering he’s useless and we’re £150 million in debt. Quote
matt83 Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 I’m not convinced by those numbers. No way Eeyore is on £2 million a year it just isn’t happening. 1 Quote
tomphil Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Knowing our lot they've probably con-inged into giving Gallagher a pay RISE to lure him here from Saints. Quote
MarkBRFC Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 33 minutes ago, J*B said: Wheres that come from? Quote
J*B Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, MarkBRFC said: Wheres that come from? I was sent it today - not sure where it’s from, suspect it isn’t true. Quote
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 That wages thing was posted on Facebook group. I find it hard to believe, add them all up, look at the accounts, doesn't add up to me at all. John Buckley isn't a central midfielder for me. He's always looked best at Leyland for me as a CAM and a RWB. The reason he won't/can't play at CAM is because of Bradley Dack. So he comes on further back in midfield and looks *okay*. He's not got the physicality to play as a true central midfielder, and he has looked better as the right-wing-back in a 5 under Damien Johnson, or an attacking mid, rather than a holding midfielder. Quote
Paul Mani Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Mattyblue said: 40 grand a week for Sam Gallagher? The modern game, ay... That list is nonsense 1 Quote
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