Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Amo]

  On 14/11/2019 at 21:08, davulsukur said:

Like Tim Sherwood, just not very good managers.

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Bit unfair on Sherwood tbh. He did well at Tottenham and didn't have his staff at Villa.

If he came here with Chris Ramsey, who knows? 

[davulsukur]

  On 14/11/2019 at 22:30, Amo said:

Bit unfair on Sherwood tbh. He did well at Tottenham and didn't have his staff at Villa.

If he came here with Chris Ramsey, who knows? 

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It's probably just my poor memory at play to be fair.

I thought he went into Spurs and Villa all fired up and they eventually tailed off but as I say, it's probably just my shit memory.

[Norbert Rassragr]

I remember Spuds getting absolutely bummed 4 or 5-0 that season when Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge were flying. It could have been 10 or more.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

Graham and Mulgrew were a big part of the reason Tony did OK in his first couple of years here. They contributed 25 goals between them last year for example. One of them now doesn't start and the other has left the club. 

Tony's answer has been Brereton, Gallagher and Armstrong. I can't even be arsed to look how many goals they've scored between them but it's next to fuck all. So our lack of goals this year was absolutely inevitable. 

Combine that with no investment in an already shakey defence and the writing has been on the wall for Mowbray since the beginning of the season. 

He won't leave though, and part of me can't blame him for that. And actually looking at the bigger picture he's probably the level we are operating at now. Absolutely criminal what Venkys have done to us. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber

[JHRover]

  On 15/11/2019 at 07:42, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Graham and Mulgrew were a big part of the reason Tony did OK in his first couple of years here. They contributed 25 goals between them last year for example. One of them now doesn't start and the other has left the club. 

Tony's answer has been Brereton, Gallagher and Armstrong. I can't even be arsed to look how many goals they've scored between them but it's next to fuck all. So our lack of goals this year was absolutely inevitable. 

Combine that with no investment in an already shakey defence and the writing has been on the wall for Mowbray since the beginning of the season. 

He won't leave though, and part of me can't blame him for that. And actually looking at the bigger picture he's probably the level we are operating at now. Absolutely criminal what Venkys have done to us. 

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Poor recruitment in summer 2018 was overcome by still being able to rely on the Mulgrew, Graham and Dacks who were on form and banging in goals, usually from set pieces or the good Dack and Graham partnership rather than good team play.

In getting shut of one, trying to phase out another leaving Dack isolated he's brought problems on himself which are exacerbated by his terrible transfer business.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

  On 15/11/2019 at 08:42, JHRover said:

Poor recruitment in summer 2018 was overcome by still being able to rely on the Mulgrew, Graham and Dacks who were on form and banging in goals, usually from set pieces or the good Dack and Graham partnership rather than good team play.

In getting shut of one, trying to phase out another leaving Dack isolated he's brought problems on himself which are exacerbated by his terrible transfer business.

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Yep totally agree. Moving away from the Graham, Dack, Mulgrew axis has fucked him. And he's not good enough in the transfer market or a talented enough manager to transition away from what was working for him and yet he's still tried to. I actually respect him for that. 

I believe he'll leave at some point soon I just hope we're still in this division and Venkys stumble across someone better. LOL

[booth]

  On 14/11/2019 at 20:45, simongarnerisgod said:

tony needs a bang on the head(unintentionally of course) i once did a  few weeks for a landscaping company,one of my colleagues got whacked in the head by the jcb bucket,after being in a kind of semi coma for a few days,he woke up and had a completely different personality,before he was a bit of a miserable git after the accident he was the life and soul of the party?

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You might want to delete this, you will give Venkys ideas for how to make the crowd happy with shit football.

[Wegerleswiggle]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/quicktest/18037966.theres-fluency-rovers-wont-pigeon-hole-lewis-holtby/?ref=ebls

Here we go again....

Edited November 15, 2019 by Wegerleswiggle

[OldEwoodBlue]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:16, Wegerleswiggle said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/quicktest/18037966.theres-fluency-rovers-wont-pigeon-hole-lewis-holtby/?ref=ebls

Here we again....

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Just managing your expectations in advance of him playing LB

[chaddyrovers]

  On 15/11/2019 at 08:42, JHRover said:

Poor recruitment in summer 2018 was overcome by still being able to rely on the Mulgrew, Graham and Dacks who were on form and banging in goals, usually from set pieces or the good Dack and Graham partnership rather than good team play.

In getting shut of one, trying to phase out another leaving Dack isolated he's brought problems on himself which are exacerbated by his terrible transfer business.

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Mulgrew was right to be show the door. Should have been done earlier in the summer. 

His recruitment in certain areas hasnt been good enough granted. 

[Sparks Rover]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:51, chaddyrovers said:

Mulgrew was right to be show the door. Should have been done earlier in the summer. 

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Yes but surely he should have been kept for his goals and set pieces alone....the other defenders are just as crap and they don’t score goals. I’d have kept him and benched him a bit more against the better teams etc but not get shut....just another piece of bad management.

You could say the same about Del, Benno, Evans, Smallwood, etc but they are all still here and apart from Dels 2 goals a season I don’t think any of these contribute any more than Charlie would have done 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Sparks Rover

[Blue blood]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:51, chaddyrovers said:

Mulgrew was right to be show the door. Should have been done earlier in the summer. 

His recruitment in certain areas hasnt been good enough granted. 

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Put him in a back 3 for added protection or move him into defensive midfield with Travis - either way we'd still get his set piece benefits and goals.

Yes he was finished in a 4-4-2 but we need his goals and continue to create hardly any chances or shots whatsoever.

[Blue blood]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:16, Wegerleswiggle said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/quicktest/18037966.theres-fluency-rovers-wont-pigeon-hole-lewis-holtby/?ref=ebls

Here we go again....

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Why? Just why?

This seems a dangerous obsession. Why weaken players by taking them out of their best position?

Thinking on it,, I wonder if there is an element of I need to find a centre mid who is decent as I've dropped another clanger with Johnson. A bit like with covering up the Gally situation by shifting him wide right.

[JHRover]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:51, chaddyrovers said:

Mulgrew was right to be show the door. Should have been done earlier in the summer. 

His recruitment in certain areas hasnt been good enough granted. 

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No other club - not one - would have agreed to loan Mulgrew out on deadline day to a rival. 

Even if we were blessed with an array of quality defenders we would have kept him until January as backup and mainly for his set piece ability and goals.

To send him to Wigan when we did no doubt partly subsidised by ourselves was the latest in a long line of bizarre decisions made. 

Enough money to splash £7 million on Brereton but not enough to assemble a competent defence and ending up trying to save money by sending players out on deadline day.

Something rotten in the state of Denmark.

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:55, Sparks Rover said:

Yes but surely he should have been kept for his goals and set pieces alone....the other defenders are just as crap and they don’t score goals. I’d have kept him and benched him a bit more against the better teams etc but not get shut....just another piece of bad management.

You could say the same about Del, Benno, Evans, Smallwood, etc but they are all still here and apart from Dels 2 goals a season I don’t think any of these contribute any more than Charlie would have done 

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How could we have kept him for his goals and set-pieces alone without having him start? It's not American football where we can just bring him on to take kicks. As for the other defenders not scoring, I'm pretty sure Williams is our top scorer. 

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 15/11/2019 at 11:16, Wegerleswiggle said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/quicktest/18037966.theres-fluency-rovers-wont-pigeon-hole-lewis-holtby/?ref=ebls

Here we go again....

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Annoying, but very, very unsurprising. How many games before he eds up somewhere mad like full back? I would give it 3. 

[JacknOry]

In other words, i have collected far too many attacking midfielders and i cannot fit them all into my team.

I have Dack, Armstrong, Rothwell, Downing, Gallagher, Brereton, Samuel and Bennett (when not playing LB, RB, CM, GK) as it is for those 3 positions behind and thats before the likes of Chapman and JRC. I know half of them are strikers but I like my strikers to play on the wings, my midfielders to play in defence, and my full backs to play at CB.

The German international Holtby will first have to learn from Smallwood and Evans on how to play conservatively and not be too creative, so we will stick him in defensive midfield for now until that process has been completed. 

[tomphil]

If Mowbray had managed Matthaus or Zidane he'd have moved them about week in week out to accommodate others he liked.

It's getting beyond ridiculous now.

Pray to heaven we get through this season reasonably unscathed then wave bye bye in the summer. Before he spews the next budget and we kick off in front of 7k ST holders and whatever walk ons Waggot & co haven't priced out.

12k averages next season including aways, it's coming i tell you.

Edited November 15, 2019 by tomphil

[OJRovers]

Tactics, formation and team really is a complete lottery.

There's not even any attempt to hide it any more.

[JacknOry]

Fans of other clubs were blown away jealous when we managed to snap up Holtby. Watch how he gets mis-used and mismanaged just like the rest of our talented players. Anywhere else he would be straight in the team in his best position, ala Reed at Fulham.  

He was brilliant against Huddersfield and I saw enough that day to convince me that he should be starting every match.

[JHRover]

  On 15/11/2019 at 12:55, Bigdoggsteel said:

How could we have kept him for his goals and set-pieces alone without having him start? It's not American football where we can just bring him on to take kicks. As for the other defenders not scoring, I'm pretty sure Williams is our top scorer. 

 

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If we are getting beat and need a goal get him on for the last 20 minutes. I'd be more confident of him lashing in a free kick in injury time than any of our other lot scoring an equaliser the way we play.

[MarkBRFC]

  On 15/11/2019 at 13:12, JHRover said:

If we are getting beat and need a goal get him on for the last 20 minutes. I'd be more confident of him lashing in a free kick in injury time than any of our other lot scoring an equaliser the way we play.

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Perfect example of that, against Huddersfield I think it was.

Injury time free kick just outside the area, Dack and Williams stood over it, after a few minutes of messing about, Dack side foots it straight into the middle of the wall, about chest height.

[JacknOry]

  On 15/11/2019 at 13:30, MarkBRFC said:

Perfect example of that, against Huddersfield I think it was.

Injury time free kick just outside the area, Dack and Williams stood over it, after a few minutes of messing about, Dack side foots it straight into the middle of the wall, about chest height.

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I remember thinking at the time that this was the perfect position for Mulgrew. Thinking about it, do we have any decent free kick takers right now? 

[Leonard Venkhater]

  On 15/11/2019 at 13:04, tomphil said:

If Mowbray had managed Matthaus or Zidane he'd have moved them about week in week out to accommodate others he liked.

It's getting beyond ridiculous now.

Pray to heaven we get through this season reasonably unscathed then wave bye bye in the summer. Before he spews the next budget and we kick off in front of 7k ST holders and whatever walk ons Waggot & co haven't priced out.

12k averages next season including aways, it's coming i tell you.

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Unscathed, I doubt it. Unfortunately, we will go down unless a change is made.

[G Somerset Rover]

  On 15/11/2019 at 13:36, JacknOry said:

I remember thinking at the time that this was the perfect position for Mulgrew. Thinking about it, do we have any decent free kick takers right now? 

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As Mark said, it certainly ain't Dack! Seen him hit a couple now and they've been bloody awful.

On Holtby, Mowbray needs keeping away from the mic wherever possible. Just chats such rubbish.