Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Just managing your expectations in advance of him playing LB

Many a true word spoken in jest...

Mowbray seems to want players to just be footballers. Good at everything and great at nothing.

Stop tinkering and play players where they play best.

 

[simongarnerisgod]

4 hours ago, Blue blood said:

Why? Just why?

This seems a dangerous obsession. Why weaken players by taking them out of their best position?

Thinking on it,, I wonder if there is an element of I need to find a centre mid who is decent as I've dropped another clanger with Johnson. A bit like with covering up the Gally situation by shifting him wide right.

imminent sign that evans will be a regular and holtby won`t get anywhere near his best position of centre midfield,tbh he could have one leg and still contribute more than corry,mowbray must think he`s not fit enough and far to maverick,is`nt it strange that some players in the squad are,according to tony not quite fit enough yet,the mowbray scale of fitness is a complete mystery to me

[Blue blood]

Just now, simongarnerisgod said:

imminent sign that evans will be a regular and holtby won`t get anywhere near his best position of centre midfield,tbh he could have one leg and still contribute more than corry,mowbray must think he`s not fit enough and far to maverick,is`nt it strange that some players in the squad are,according to tony not quite fit enough yet,the mowbray scale of fitness is a complete mystery to me

I agree on the fitness thing. Take for example Dack and Evans, who are poles apart on the ability spectrum but neither are great physically. Dack often can look done in for with 15-20 mins to go, whilst Evans is off injured more often than not. Yet both play regularly (justifiably in Dack's case) and aren't nursed at all. Similarly Lenihen seems to be another in that bracket who isn't cautiously managed, despite being very injury prone. 

Others, less favoured players, seem to just have to sneeze in the wrong place or get a dead leg, and they're out for a month. It is very odd. 

 

 

[BlackburnEnd75]

7 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Fans of other clubs were blown away jealous when we managed to snap up Holtby. Watch how he gets mis-used and mismanaged just like the rest of our talented players. Anywhere else he would be straight in the team in his best position, ala Reed at Fulham.  

He was brilliant against Huddersfield and I saw enough that day to convince me that he should be starting every match.

Problem with Holtby is he’s a 10 and the best player we had here before his arrival is a 10. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

43 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

Problem with Holtby is he’s a 10 and the best player we had here before his arrival is a 10. 

So why sign him when we needed defensive reinforcements.

[tomphil]

Defenders are coming, they're tracking Bauer for 12 months.

Downing becomes available, Tony likes him so attention and budget goes that way instead.

Back to looking around, friendly agent says Gallagher is finally available at a price Rovers might afford. Tony oh i like him he's been here before, Raya money goes that way.

Meanwhile they've forgotten about Bauer and Tony decides he'll stick with what he has after Del tells him i'm your man.

Right thinks Tony that's saved a few quid in wages so i'll get a couple more mids you can't have too many of them. I can pick 2 out of 6 or 7 every match, lovely jubbly.

On it goes, scattergun.

[AllRoverAsia]

57 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

Problem with Holtby is he’s a 10 and the best player we had here before his arrival is a 10. 

It should not be beyond the capacity of any decent nay reasonably intelligent manager to fit at least 2 very good footballers into a team/system

In the case of Tinkerman Tony, it should be a piece of piss.

The problem is to do with flair which despite what Mowbray preaches he is anti. Presently Holtby has not been fully assimilated and wanders off the blades of grass Mowbray, in his delusion of being a tactical expert, has assigned to him.

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Yes but surely he should have been kept for his goals and set pieces alone....the other defenders are just as crap and they don’t score goals. I’d have kept him and benched him a bit more against the better teams etc but not get shut....just another piece of bad management.

You could say the same about Del, Benno, Evans, Smallwood, etc but they are all still here and apart from Dels 2 goals a season I don’t think any of these contribute any more than Charlie would have done 

NO his first job is a defender. 

I would have show Smallwood the job aswell. 

 

10 hours ago, JHRover said:

No other club - not one - would have agreed to loan Mulgrew out on deadline day to a rival. 

Even if we were blessed with an array of quality defenders we would have kept him until January as backup and mainly for his set piece ability and goals.

To send him to Wigan when we did no doubt partly subsidised by ourselves was the latest in a long line of bizarre decisions made. 

Enough money to splash £7 million on Brereton but not enough to assemble a competent defence and ending up trying to save money by sending players out on deadline day.

Something rotten in the state of Denmark.

Getting rid of Mulgrew should have happened in the early summer window. He isnt good enough defensively for me. His performance against Boro.at Home was pathetic and simply not good enough. 

We need 2 new centre backs in the summer and only got 1. 

We have the money in summer or the summer before to buy a defender of quality and we didnt. Mowbray to blame..

Same for the GK situation where we need an experience keeper ended up with Walton. Didnt we try for Martinez from Arsenal on loan according to someone on here. 

[BlackburnEnd75]

2 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

It should not be beyond the capacity of any decent nay reasonably intelligent manager to fit at least 2 very good footballers into a team/system

In the case of Tinkerman Tony, it should be a piece of piss.

The problem is to do with flair which despite what Mowbray preaches he is anti. Presently Holtby has not been fully assimilated and wanders off the blades of grass Mowbray, in his delusion of being a tactical expert, has assigned to him.

It’s quite hard to fit 2 number 10’s into the same team especially if neither are quick enough to play wide. 
 

[Husky]

Is he STILL here? FFS!

[tomphil]

31 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

It should not be beyond the capacity of any decent nay reasonably intelligent manager to fit at least 2 very good footballers into a team/system

In the case of Tinkerman Tony, it should be a piece of piss.

The problem is to do with flair which despite what Mowbray preaches he is anti. Presently Holtby has not been fully assimilated and wanders off the blades of grass Mowbray, in his delusion of being a tactical expert, has assigned to him.

It's all being built around a poor defence though and behind the mask i'm sure he knows this. I think a lot of his reticence is because of this but he'll never admit it it.  He wants it robotic with only one forward running flair player at a time it seems. Hence the horrendous lack of chances created.

We'll go nowhere with that attitude.

 

 

 

[JacknOry]

6 hours ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

Problem with Holtby is he’s a 10 and the best player we had here before his arrival is a 10. 

Yet he can also play anywhere in the three behind, listed as a AMC/Winger on Wiki. he started and played in the same lineup as Dack and was MOM against Huddersfield. He should be in the same team, not competing with him. They can be fluid and swap around too (though TM would hate that). Completely wasted in DMC, a position he has only played in for 10% of his career performances. 

I know who I would be starting between him and AA.

[JacknOry]

4 hours ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

It’s quite hard to fit 2 number 10’s into the same team especially if neither are quick enough to play wide. 
 

Downing, Bennett, Gallagher and Brereton are far from quick either but get to play the wide positions. 

[yellowsubmarine]

Just now, JacknOry said:

Downing, Bennett, Gallagher and Brereton are far from quick either but get to play the wide positions. 

mindblowing isnt it.

Hoping JRC will get his chance soon. Really looking forward to seeing him on the flanks.

[MarkBRFC]

2 hours ago, yellowsubmarine said:

 

Hoping JRC will get his chance soon. Really looking forward to seeing him on the flanks.

Be amazed if he gets any kind of run.

He has Armstrong, Holtby, Downing, Rothwell, and probably Samuel & Brereton when fully fit ahead of him for the wide positions.

[tugayislegend]

I know the CB issues have been highlighted, but in the modern game your full backs are so crucial in the game especially if you want to play attacking open football, which is supposedly TM style.

Just wanted to highlight 5 transfer windows in who do we have as first choice full backs? Bennett/nyambe and bell/Williams? Not going to count Cunningham as he isn't a permanent signing. 

How can that be progress? These players are just about good enough to keep us up, which is exactly where we were when TM first arrived!!

 

Edited November 16, 2019 by tugayislegend

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, tugayislegend said:

I know the CB issues have been highlighted, but in the modern game your full backs are so crucial in the game especially if you want to play attacking open football, which is supposedly TM style.

Just wanted to highlight 5 transfer windows in who do we have as first choice full backs? Bennett/nyambe and bell/Williams? Not going to count Cunningham as he isn't a permanent signing. 

How can that be progress? These players are just about good enough to keep us up, which is exactly where we were when TM first arrived!!

 

But would the owners permit Mowbray to spend significant sums on a full back ?

[AllRoverAsia]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, tugayislegend said:

I know the CB issues have been highlighted, but in the modern game your full backs are so crucial in the game especially if you want to play attacking open football, which is supposedly TM style.

Just wanted to highlight 5 transfer windows in who do we have as first choice full backs? Bennett/nyambe and bell/Williams? Not going to count Cunningham as he isn't a permanent signing. 

How can that be progress? These players are just about good enough to keep us up, which is exactly where we were when TM first arrived!!

 

3 of those players were bad enough to relegate us, one is asleep or looks it and one injured u.f.n.

Couldn't make that up ....

Mowbray masterclass

[philipl]

Absolutely delighted Mowbray has picked the right formation, tactics and subs for today's game.

[Wegerleswiggle]

Just now, philipl said:

Absolutely delighted Mowbray has picked the right formation, tactics and subs for today's game.

He'll still manage to fuck today up for us all, somehow!! 

[roversfan99]

9 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Yet he can also play anywhere in the three behind, listed as a AMC/Winger on Wiki. he started and played in the same lineup as Dack and was MOM against Huddersfield. He should be in the same team, not competing with him. They can be fluid and swap around too (though TM would hate that). Completely wasted in DMC, a position he has only played in for 10% of his career performances. 

I know who I would be starting between him and AA.

I believe Holtby played in central midfield for Hamburg.

One thing is for sure, he needs to play the majority of games in a settled position. It makes some sense to have him in central midfield where he can perhaps dictate games and give us a step up in technical ability on what we have in there but I thought he was really poor v Leeds in there. Im not sure playing wide suits him best either, but with a license to be a bit more positionally fluid he has looked brighter looking to play one twos with Dack and just generally being more incisive with his passes than our other wide options who all seem to flatter to deceive.

For all of his obvious talent, I do think there is a reasonable chance that his spell here will be underwhelming just because I am not convinced exactly where he can fit in best. You would want him in a number 10 role but theres no way you can drop Dack.

[tomphil]

11 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

But would the owners permit Mowbray to spend significant sums on a full back ?

I'd be surprised if they ever let him spend significant sums on anyone ever again unless they or their pals are the ones giving the orders.

There was a rumour a while back after promotion that the owners were so delighted they wanted to give TM 20 mill to spend. He shite himself at the prospect and talked them out of it. advising to invest it slowly backed up by the fact big spending might affect FFP

Well if there is any truth in that it's looking like he's pished over half of it right up the wall apart from Armstrong who might turn out to be one they'll get their cash back on. Is there another 7 million in the spot or has he spewed a lump of that as well on wages for short term contracts for old men like Downing, Johnson plus loan fees ?

Along with that he's probably blowing any chance we've ever had under Venkys of making real headway in the division. That kind of money way well have gone now or dry up to a trickle in the near future.  Now can you understand a bit better why a lot of us are concerned with this season pigs ear he's making of it ?

Edited November 16, 2019 by tomphil

[Husky]

8 hours ago, philipl said:

Absolutely delighted Mowbray has picked the right formation, tactics and subs for today's game.

I don't know what's worse, playing or not playing.

 

[Stuart]

Wonder if this lad would be picked in a Mowbray team...

Food for thought.

[m1st]

On 11/11/2019 at 19:53, martonrover said:

The majority of the fans who can still be bothered to attend simply sit in a state of apethetic stupor.

I would imagine a good many are getting to the stage that I am at - i.e. What's the point?

The owners may well still believe all the talk of a "project", but more and more supporters are now seeing through this smoke and mirrors fabrication, and can see it's an excuse for mediocrity (at best) in the here and now.

There is little chance of the necessary change coming anytime soon, and even less chance of Neil Warnock taking over, (especially after the pantomime a few years ago when he was set to be appointed).

If he did come it would reignite my interest.

How great it would be to have a bloke with fire in his belly in the dugout.

Up to a point, martonrover. Because I no longer drive, I tend to leave Ewood about 10-15 minutes before the end of the game so that I can get a bus to Bolton - the first leg of my journey home - before Bolton Road is closed to traffic. Increasingly, it feels like common sense to have left early - not only am I likely to get home a bit sooner, but I won't really be missing anything by doing so.

And yet; and yet; within this 73-year-old frame, beats the heart of the 7-year-old who: was born in Blackpool to a couple of Blackburners; was dead proud at that age to wear a blue and white replica shirt among all the tangerine; and will be, in the words of the song that always has a lump in my throat each time I join in, "Rovers till I die".

But I fear that pragmatism will win. At the moment, it's 60/40 on me not renewing my season ticket because the team Mowbray puts out seem to me an unexciting amalgam of footballers, usually with several playing out of position, rather than their proper - best - positon. And in turn that seems to be because the manager - the buck stops with you, Mowbray - has signed: few defenders so that the defence is always one injury away from being a real disaster zone; a plethora of midfielders but no proper wingers to feed our strikers who are a pale shadow of the attack Uncle Jack bought us.

I think you're right, martonrover, when you talk about the fire in Warnock's belly. But, personally, I think that signing him as manager - even if he could be induced to come here - would only lead to a temporary improvement in our present situation at best. I certainly don't think he could build a team with a reasonable chance of avoiding a return to the Championship after one season, as Chris Wilder seems to have done at Sheffield United or - excuse my language - as Dyche has done with That Lot down the M65.

I've previously expressed the opinion that Damien Johnson ought to be given a chance. Given the way the team - our team - are floundering at the moment, what have we to lose?