Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, arbitro said:

I think then that your logic is skewed. Taking it a step further should they not have sacked Coyle using your logic?

No - I didn't quite mean that. I don't want Mowbray fired under the present owners because I don't think Mowbray is going to relegate us and their new pick might well do based on the quality of some of their previous decisions. In contrast it was clear to all of us from a long way out that Coyle was going to relegate us and so there was no downside in moving him out

[yoda's brother]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The play offs were introduced for the end of the 1986-87 season so I don't think what you are saying is quite right.

Nowhere do I say that I am happy with where we are. My original post today was in response to a supporter's claim that he was unmoved by us winning today's game with a late goal. I just find it hard to believe that a football supporter really thinks like that. Sitting down here in the South of England I was out of my chair for that winning goal.

i was out of the ground heading for my car disgusted with the non performance

[Mattyblue]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I do find it really strange that people cant enjoy a late winner at Ewood. For a start, he wouldnt have been sacked regardless of the result. I am very much in the Mowbray out crowd and wasnt impressed by the performance at all, with predictable shite performances of Walton, Gallagher, Armstrong, Bennett and Bell never ceasing to amaze. But I was still elated when Dack put in the winner.

Late goals and a win is USUALLY what football is all about - indeed there was a cracking atmosphere in the ground and buzz up Livesey Branch after the Sheff Wed game.

However, if you were there you must admit it wasn’t like that in the slightest today. A bit of relief, perhaps, but most folk seemed to be trudging out of Ewood either in silence or slagging the team and manager off.

 

[Stuart]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

No - I didn't quite mean that. I don't want Mowbray fired under the present owners because I don't think Mowbray is going to relegate us and their new pick might well do based on the quality of some of their previous decisions. In contrast it was clear to all of us from a long way out that Coyle was going to relegate us and so there was no downside in moving him out

I can now see why you are struggling to grasp why people are so upset despite winning today...

Alarm bells should be ringing all over the place. A home win and fans not being happy is the start of a toxic situation.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

They must be different Evertonians from the ones who were sending out anti-Allardyce chants when he was their manager - a case of thinking the grass on the other side is always greener

There were plenty here just as daft.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Stuart said:

I can now see why you are struggling to grasp why people are so upset despite winning today...

Alarm bells should be ringing all over the place. A home win and fans not being happy is the start of a toxic situation.

Unlike you I don't attend home games so cannot judge how representative posters on this board are of fans inside the ground. Apparently today there were some chants along the lines of "sort it out" . But maybe as we won the match most of those will conclude that he did sort it out and have gone home happy ?

[arbitro]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

No - I didn't quite mean that. I don't want Mowbray fired under the present owners because I don't think Mowbray is going to relegate us and their new pick might well do based on the quality of some of their previous decisions. In contrast it was clear to all of us from a long way out that Coyle was going to relegate us and so there was no downside in moving him out

Lots of supporters feel that Mowbray will have us in a relegation scrap and possibly take us down this season which is why the general belief is that change is needed now. And if he does take us down that will be two relegations on Mowbrays watch.

[roversfan99]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

Late goals and a win is USUALLY what football is all about - indeed there was a cracking atmosphere in the ground and buzz up Livesey Branch after the Sheff Wed game.

However, if you were there you must admit it wasn’t like that in the slightest today. A bit of relief, perhaps, but most folk seemed to be trudging out of Ewood either in silence or slagging the team and manager off.

 

I was there and I found the first 85 minutes to be incredibly frustrating, the performance was undoubtedly shite and I still am of that opinion despite the late winner. The same things time after time aggravate and annoy me and I want the manager out still. But I was delighted to get the late winner and that was the main feeling I had. I am not optimistic about our overall situation but when the ball hit the net and when the whistle went I was momentarily elated.

I think the main factor is people suggesting that it has saved Mowbray which I dont believe is true. With his mate running things his job is safe regardless. 

[Stuart]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Unlike you I don't attend home games so cannot judge how representative posters on this board are of fans inside the ground. Apparently today there were some chants along the lines of "sort it out" . But maybe as we won the match most of those will conclude that he did sort it out and have gone home happy ?

You are posting on a fan site with a particularly cynical cross-section of the fanbase.

Tony has enjoyed the best fanbase support of any manager under Venkys. “Tony sort it out” is the compromise chant that both remainders and leavers can agree on. Trust me when I say that this was a watershed moment. Particularly when you combine it with tentative boos.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Stuart said:

You are posting on a fan site with a particularly cynical cross-section of the fanbase.

Tony has enjoyed the best fanbase support of any manager under Venkys. “Tony sort it out” is the compromise chant that both remainders and leavers can agree on. Trust me when I say that this was a watershed moment. Particularly when you combine it with tentative boos.

Thanks. Were there any boos after we had won the match ?

[Stuart]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Thanks. Were there any boos after we had won the match ?

No. Muted cheers and trudging off home.

[bazza]

We were 3-2 up playing 4 minutes of added time when we fouled one of their players close to the D of our penalty area. I fully expected their free kick to result in an equaliser. The ref blew, but not for a free kick, for full time.

What a relief!!  That, Mr mashed potato was what happened at Ewood today. And that is why dozens of us are trying to make a point about how we play (week after week after week) and not just a scabby win today.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Until today I thought we were a mid-table team that had had a bad run, as all mid-table teams do. And we still are, if the players are committed. Today showed me that they aren’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mowbrays latest LT article digging out what he sees as the faults of half the team hadn’t lost the dressing room. Because it should have done. I’ve never read an interview like it.

But history has shown us that fan unrest, bad results, even relegation don’t have any influence whatsoever on the owners. He’ll be here till they decide he won’t be, no matter what happens on the field or in the stands.

Will we get anyone better? Probably not. How many of the last 8 managers have had their career enhanced by coming here? None. Would you come here? I wouldn’t.

Winter is coming.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

That interview after the game, he is such a fucking clown. It was all about the 3 points today and yet all the other games this season was about our performance and the fact we've been unlucky to not get points.

Please just fuck off. 

[Wegerleswiggle]

Was hoping to wake up today and see the headline "Mowbray steps down as Rovers manager"

Hoping he has a rethink over his shredded wheat and gives Madame a bell.

 

[MarkBRFC]

1 minute ago, Wegerleswiggle said:

Was hoping to wake up today and see the headline "Mowbray steps down as Rovers manager"

 

 

What on earth have you seen to make you even think this was a remote possibility?

He isn't getting a gig as good as this again, he's never walking away. Especially after a win.

[tomphil]

I think reading between the lines of his recent comments he's basically said i haven't lost the players they are doing as i ask so i see no reason to walk away. However if others don't think it's good enough then it's their call but if not i'll just plod on and keep doing what i'm doing the way i'm doing it.

That's the vibe i get and i don't believe he's lost the majority of players i actually believe they are as loyal to his instructions as he is to a lot of them. I don't think a lot of them are comfortable with it though that's why the performances are poor and often listless, it's like collectively they are all just waiting for something to click then it'll all be good.

Somehow i can't see that happening.

[Riverside under the drip]

12 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Unlike you I don't attend home games so cannot judge how representative posters on this board are of fans inside the ground. Apparently today there were some chants along the lines of "sort it out" . But maybe as we won the match most of those will conclude that he did sort it out and have gone home happy ? 

I don't often post on here but attend all home games and many away. From experience of ear-wigging conversations, the only people who don't regularly moan about poor management and non-sensical substitutions are the away <I only go to get boozed/drugged up> fans who don't really notice the football. People were VERY angry (by Riverside standards) yesterday about the garbage play with numerous boos directed at Mowbray for his substitutions and no-one I noticed on the walk up Livesey Branch Road went home happy. If they did, they did it quietly.

[47er]

13 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Thanks. Were there any boos after we had won the match ?

We beat the bottom club in the last few minutes. We were at home! We had 30+%  possession--- at home. They had way more shots than we did. They've won one game all season, in September I think. Their goal difference is the worst in the division,-18!

For God's sake, get some bloody perspective. Its fair enough to feel relief because we escaped. Its not a cause for dancing in the street is it?

[Leonard Venkhater]

12 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Until today I thought we were a mid-table team that had had a bad run, as all mid-table teams do. And we still are, if the players are committed. Today showed me that they aren’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mowbrays latest LT article digging out what he sees as the faults of half the team hadn’t lost the dressing room. Because it should have done. I’ve never read an interview like it.

But history has shown us that fan unrest, bad results, even relegation don’t have any influence whatsoever on the owners. He’ll be here till they decide he won’t be, no matter what happens on the field or in the stands.

Will we get anyone better? Probably not. How many of the last 8 managers have had their career enhanced by coming here? None. Would you come here? I wouldn’t.

Winter is coming.

Winter has been here for 8 years. It is football's equivalent of Narnia. No sign of Aslan either!

[tomphil]

12 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Until today I thought we were a mid-table team that had had a bad run, as all mid-table teams do. And we still are, if the players are committed. Today showed me that they aren’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mowbrays latest LT article digging out what he sees as the faults of half the team hadn’t lost the dressing room. Because it should have done. I’ve never read an interview like it.

But history has shown us that fan unrest, bad results, even relegation don’t have any influence whatsoever on the owners. He’ll be here till they decide he won’t be, no matter what happens on the field or in the stands.

Will we get anyone better? Probably not. How many of the last 8 managers have had their career enhanced by coming here? None. Would you come here? I wouldn’t.

Winter is coming.

They've all had their bank accounts enhanced by coming here as have their mates who came with them.

How many actually had a reputation to spoil anyway given where these lot choose from ? 

Berg went back to his natural habitat, Appleton went back to his level and did well, GB went from a nobody to promotion winning manager at Blackpool, Lambert came off the scrapheap then went straight into another job. Mowbray if he left tomorrow had a poor rep that has now been considerably enhanced by his time here. Allardyce certainly did ok afterwards so quite the opposite to not being enhanced really.

For both financial and football reasons plenty would come here it's a massive draw. Actually a reputation enhancer for anybody who isn't already in a decent job - the type we really need but won't pay for.  It's a no lose really because if/when they fail there is always Venkys to blame, usually rightly of course.

[Amo]

I haven't followed Mowbray's career closely enough, but I know that his WBA side were famed for their good football but powderpuff defending. Probably part of the reason they yo-yo'ed.

I wonder if Mowbray tried to reinvent himself after that experience and style himself a more modern manager? That would explain the overthinking and needlessly tinkering with tactics and team selection every week. Instead we end up with a team that's neither cavalier or tough to beat. Sure there's goals in us but that seems to be down to individual skill than anything else.

[Leonard Venkhater]

6 hours ago, 47er said:

We beat the bottom club in the last few minutes. We were at home! We had 30+%  possession--- at home. They had way more shots than we did. They've won one game all season, in September I think. Their goal difference is the worst in the division,-18!

For God's sake, get some bloody perspective. Its fair enough to feel relief because we escaped. Its not a cause for dancing in the street is it?

Dance me through the panic?

[davulsukur]

6 hours ago, Amo said:

I haven't followed Mowbray's career closely enough, but I know that his WBA side were famed for their good football but powderpuff defending. Probably part of the reason they yo-yo'ed.

I wonder if Mowbray tried to reinvent himself after that experience and style himself a more modern manager? That would explain the overthinking and needlessly tinkering with tactics and team selection every week. Instead we end up with a team that's neither cavalier or tough to beat. Sure there's goals in us but that seems to be down to individual skill than anything else.

It's a good point.

We seem to have landed Mowbray V2.0, where we can't attack or defend and just pointlessly stick a few passes around in the middle.

Something has gone wrong in his approach here, we tend to have only have 1 or 2 shots on target most games and even when we have the majority of possession, it's not like a relentless onslaught at the opposition goal.

Despite Mowbray wanting to transform us into Peps Barca, we seemed to be a more effective outfit lumping the ball up to Graham and letting Dack play off him.

Although it made us hugely reliant on Graham and Dack to score goals, the rest of the team still don't contribute anywhere near enough in goals or assists. He's just handicapped us further by taking away Grahams goalscoring ability.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, davulsukur said:

It's a good point.

We seem to have landed Mowbray V2.0, where we can't attack or defend and just pointlessly stick a few passes around in the middle.

Something has gone wrong in his approach here, we tend to have only have 1 or 2 shots on target most games and even when we have the majority of possession, it's not like a relentless onslaught at the opposition goal.

Despite Mowbray wanting to transform us into Peps Barca, we seemed to be a more effective outfit lumping the ball up to Graham and letting Dack play off him.

Although it made us hugely reliant on Graham and Dack to score goals, the rest of the team still don't contribute anywhere near enough in goals or assists. He's just handicapped us further by taking away Grahams goalscoring ability.

Re the rest of the team not scoring. At the some point in the game you've got to get yourself in or around the penalty area to score goals. That's barring a fluke shot or cross from distance. Not enough of our players do that often enough.