Tony Mowbray Discussion

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, darrenrover said:

I agree with Buckley, he needs a decent run of games. As I mentioned in another thread, his style of play reminds me very much of Scot Sellars.

if he`s half as effective as scott then i`ll have no complaints just hope he avoids the mowbray curse of not taking it seriously enough,we should have a bloody fantastic u23 side with all the lack of seriousness in it!!!!

[Bbrovers2288]

See my strongly tipped mowbray replacement Pearson is turning Watford’s season around, missed a trick there 

[tomphil]

Iv'e heard Pearson was sounded out more than once in the past, not recently but before TM and he didn't fancy it.  No idea why maybe prefers to be down South or something.

[Colt Seavers]

On 27/12/2019 at 15:29, darrenrover said:

I agree with Buckley, he needs a decent run of games. As I mentioned in another thread, his style of play reminds me very much of Scot Sellars.

Buckley was an absolute star in the under 23s. He has lovely technique and could probably play anywhere. He needs a good number of games in the first team to really put a marker down. He isn't particularly quick but has similar pace to the likes of Dack ,  Brotherston or Sellars whereby he can accelerate and body swerve well. 

He reminds me more of Simon Barker in style than anyone else for those that remember Barker. He is certainly on the frail side but so was Sellars. From footage I have seen, Bryan Douglas also seemed frail but was obviously a genuine superstar in a brutally physical era. (Not that I expect him to have the career that Duggie had obviously ).

Buckley can be the real deal if Mowbray is prepared to persevere and allow mistakes by him.  

 

Edited December 28, 2019 by Colt Seavers

[Mashed Potatoes]

12 minutes ago, Colt Seavers said:

Buckley was an absolute star in the under 23s. He has lovely technique and could probably play anywhere. He needs a good number of games in the first team to really put a marker down. He isn't particularly quick but has similar pace to the likes of Dack ,  Brotherston or Sellars whereby he can accelerate and body swerve well. 

He reminds me more of Simon Barker in style than anyone else for those that remember Barker. He is certainly on the frail side but so was Sellars. From footage I have seen, Bryan Douglas also seemed frail but was obviously a genuine superstar in a brutally physical era. (Not that I expect him to have the career that Duggie had obviously ).

Buckley can be the real deal if Mowbray is prepared to persevere and allow mistakes by him.  

 

If Mowbray did that and results suffered as a result the haters would be out in force on here demanding he got the sack

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If Mowbray did that and results suffered as a result the haters would be out in force on here demanding he got the sack

Yeah, strangely if Buckleys regular inclusion in the team led to poorer results, people, or as you would like to state in your intention to wind folk up, "haters" would indeed criticise the manager as a result, heaven forbid the manager is judged based on results.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Yeah, strangely if Buckleys regular inclusion in the team led to poorer results, people, or as you would like to state in your intention to wind folk up, "haters" would indeed criticise the manager as a result, heaven forbid the manager is judged based on results.

Yes, and results is why so many managers are careful, or reluctant, to bring young players in to the first team. If they don't, then of course they receive criticism for that as well. I'm not trying to wind anybody up - if you think those who have labelled Tony Mowbray a "coward" or "not a nice person" are not haters how would you describe them ?

[roversfan99]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Yes, and results is why so many managers are careful, or reluctant, to bring young players in to the first team. If they don't, then of course they receive criticism for that as well. I'm not trying to wind anybody up - if you think those who have labelled Tony Mowbray a "coward" or "not a nice person" are not haters how would you describe them ?

If Buckley or indeed any of the other young players can come into the first team and enhance and add to it, without causing any decline in results, then by all means get them in. If not, then considering that we are 8th, not far off 6th and quite focused on the aim of reaching the play offs, making each point important, then we cant afford to blood him. If that is the case, then the 2 alternatives are to play him in the reserves, or loan him out. As I personally havent seen anything to suggest from him that he is ready yet to enhance the first team at this moment in time, I would loan him out.

[Mashed Potatoes]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If Buckley or indeed any of the other young players can come into the first team and enhance and add to it, without causing any decline in results, then by all means get them in. If not, then considering that we are 8th, not far off 6th and quite focused on the aim of reaching the play offs, making each point important, then we cant afford to blood him. If that is the case, then the 2 alternatives are to play him in the reserves, or loan him out. As I personally havent seen anything to suggest from him that he is ready yet to enhance the first team at this moment in time, I would loan him out.

Wouldn't disagree with any of that. Of course we can't be sure how things will work out unless he gets to play; he's marginal at the moment as to whether he's a plus or a minus for the first team .

[Mashed Potatoes]

5 minutes ago, tomphil said:

What are these challenging circumstances you keep banging on about ?

The owners way of doing things and, based on some posters on here, some supporters' unrealistic expectations.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Of all the gripes about Mowbray, IMO the only one that was ever going to resonate in Pune - especially now Dack is crocked and has effectively zero transfer value - is the impact of his 3 big money buys: Brereton, Gallagher and Armstrong, which I always thought would define his season. With Dack gone and Graham no more of a goal threat than me, he simply cannot afford not to grasp the nettle. I think the situation necessitates betting what is left of his Rovers career, and our season, on any two from those three firing in a 4-4-2 formation. If he doesn’t, or if it doesn’t work, I’m convinced he’ll be canned early May.

[tomphil]

54 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The owners way of doing things and, based on some posters on here, some supporters' unrealistic expectations.

You'll find those supporters at every club. It might surprise you but there are far more demanding crowds and fanbases even in the championship that Rovers.

On the owners yes it's hard work but again there other boards who put far more pressure on their managers. We haven't really got one.

Plus he's had the best backing of anyone under them post Kean and basically appears to run the football side of the club behind the scenes..Also when a manger at this level spends fees of 5 or 7 million on single players fans have a right to expect them to be half decent in my opinion.

Sorry but there is no sob story to be had for Mowbray the guy is on a very good number here. He knows it as well.

[Sparks Rover]

Toisin is the only decent incoming and hes not ours 

[Mr. E]

Is there anyone - anyone at all above Mowbray at the club who understands absolutely anything about football? My wager is no, because why else is Mowbray employed. I believe we would actually be better with no manager as I don't believe the players collectively would ever agree to Bennett starting at RB or any of the other stubborn stupid nonsense that keeps costing us points.

We are at the mercy of whoever is running this club but there seems to be nothing but pure incompetence at every level.

[tomphil]

Very crafty operators this fella and his mates are proving to be.

If only he was as wily at putting a good first 11 together and sticking with it.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, tomphil said:

Very crafty operators this fella and his mates are proving to be.

If only he was as wily at putting a good first 11 together and sticking with it.

Very poor post

[Husky]

One for the stattos here.

Are we up to the magical Coventry count yet?

The world is just numbers.

[Husky]

29 minutes ago, Mr. E said:

Is there anyone - anyone at all above Mowbray at the club who understands absolutely anything about football? My wager is no, because why else is Mowbray employed. I believe we would actually be better with no manager as I don't believe the players collectively would ever agree to Bennett starting at RB or any of the other stubborn stupid nonsense that keeps costing us points.

We are at the mercy of whoever is running this club but there seems to be nothing but pure incompetence at every level.

No manager would be cheaper too. Does anyone know how to contact The $tingies?

[Husky]

Serious question.

How can we find this 'level of consistency' that Mowbray's just talked of, when he's making 7,6,5 changes from one game to the next?

[Amo]

You won't change him. He stumbled on a winning formula and stuck with it despite himself but the festive period and Dack’s injury has given him license to tinker again. I wouldn’t mind if all this rotation produced a tactical masterclass but the players look more confused than anybody else. What the hell was the thinking behind today’s chop and change?

He’s got to move on, he won’t, something something Venkys etc.

[tomphil]

52 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Very poor post

Why ?

He's found a formula to keep the playing squad happy. The owners backing and enough points to keep majority of match going fans onside.

Plus surrounded by his mates, bloody genius really. And like I said if he could apply that level of guile to the playing side we'd get somewhere.

It'll never happen though.

 

Edited December 29, 2019 by tomphil

[Husky]

 

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

One step forward,two steps back...the Mowbray way.

As you were.

[OJRovers]

Mowbray is so frustrating. It's the constant tinkering with the formation, system of play and starting XI. Must be a nightmare for opposition scouts, but also for our players who won't know what they are meant to be doing. Liverpool (and other top teams) have a system of play and they stick to it, whoever comes in. It's not rocket science.

The lack of wingers also severely limits our options. We've got Graham and Gallagher in the middle, yet ZERO wingers on the pitch. We've got no options other than to put strikers there or central midfielders out of position.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, OJRovers said:

Mowbray is so frustrating. It's the constant tinkering with the formation, system of play and starting XI. Must be a nightmare for opposition scouts, but also for our players who won't know what they are meant to be doing. Liverpool (and other top teams) have a system of play and they stick to it, whoever comes in. It's not rocket science.

The lack of wingers also severely limits our options. We've got Graham and Gallagher in the middle, yet ZERO wingers on the pitch. We've got no options other than to put strikers there or central midfielders out of position.

 

I agree, if you intend to play 4-4-2 with two up front you must be getting the ball out to wide players to provide the strikers with good service. Just banging the ball up the middle won't work most of the time.