Tony Mowbray Discussion

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Blue blood said:

Not saying you are wrong (although disagree re Grayson - Sunderland was a failure but who hasn't and 4 promotions) but the highlighted criticisms are all huge issues with TM. You don't want one manager because of his poor recruitment - yet TMs recruitment is poor - has blown tons on inadequate strikers. You don't want another because he chops and changes. TM may have chopped and changed players and their positions on the odd occasion too. TM seems to have many of the flaws that make us turn our nose up at other managers! 

Jones recruitment at Stoke was bizarre for me. 

Grayson recent jobs have been failed and at Sunderland he was awful. He did signed Jason Steele for them

[Blue blood]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Jones recruitment at Stoke was bizarre for me. 

Grayson recent jobs have been failed and at Sunderland he was awful. He did signed Jason Steele for them

My point wad your criticisms are all things TM is doing! 

Also if we hold TMs success if promotion in his favour surely we need to do similar to other managers, especially those with numerous promotions. 

To me TM is judged by a much easier standard or being the first not appalling manager we've had in a while. 

As for Grayson his recent stint at Sunderland was a failure. no others have been. That said signing Steele was a heck of a clanger. 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Blue blood said:

My point wad your criticisms are all things TM is doing! 

Also if we hold TMs success if promotion in his favour surely we need to do similar to other managers, especially those with numerous promotions. 

To me TM is judged by a much easier standard or being the first not appalling manager we've had in a while. 

As for Grayson his recent stint at Sunderland was a failure. no others have been. That said signing Steele was a heck of a clanger. 

Yes I would agree that Mowbray's recruitment at times has been poor. We are right back and centre back short in the squad as I said in the summer after the window chose. 

I have said several times that I wouldn't have signed Gallagher this summer. I said where I would have spent the money and that would have been on the defence. 

Grayson time at Bradford was poor. I'm not sure his time at Blackpool is exactly good. Spoke to couple of Blackpool fans recently and they aren't convince he will take them up. Some of his signings haven't worked out but they are happy to give him the season and judge then

[JHRover]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Jones recruitment at Stoke was bizarre for me. 

Grayson recent jobs have been failed and at Sunderland he was awful. He did signed Jason Steele for them

Interesting. His record at Sunderland was almost identical to that of his successor Chris Coleman, yet I recall you suggesting him as an option not long ago.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, JHRover said:

Interesting. His record at Sunderland was almost identical to that of his successor Chris Coleman, yet I recall you suggesting him as an option not long ago.

Yes I did. 

[Blue blood]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I would agree that Mowbray's recruitment at times has been poor. We are right back and centre back short in the squad as I said in the summer after the window chose. 

I have said several times that I wouldn't have signed Gallagher this summer. I said where I would have spent the money and that would have been on the defence. 

Grayson time at Bradford was poor. I'm not sure his time at Blackpool is exactly good. Spoke to couple of Blackpool fans recently and they aren't convince he will take them up. Some of his signings haven't worked out but they are happy to give him the season and judge then

He wasn't at Bradford very long so quite harsh to judge, but yeah can see that argument. Blackpool I think he has them about level as to where they are at quality wise - a mid table league 1 team. So not sure how that counts as a failure. 

As for Sunderland everyone has failed there including a lot of managers with success elsewhere. Not a complete excuse but I wonder if it says more about the club than the manager. Either way I think he is better than TM who makes basic errors of inconsistent selections and players out of position, as well as blowing our transfer budget - twice! 

[Bbrovers2288]

Not Grayson , of no improvement on mowbray. 
 

would be fine with hughton, Johnson or ainsworth 

[Mr. E]

From Venkys perspective though it is hard to understand, surely they will make more money if we are back in the Premiership? Even if they have to choose a manager that is a bit more annoying (for them) to work with, surely from a business standpoint that is worth the hassle for getting back to the Premiership? They are losing millions every year on us, from what I understand. Are they happy to be in the Championship forever? If so, then it makes sense for them to keep Mowbray. But if not, if they want more profit from this club and want to be in the Premiership - surely there is absolutely no sense or reason in believing that Mowbray can somehow deliver that?

[darrenrover]

The issue surely is who is evaluating Mowbray's position?

It won't be Waggott and unlikely to be a disinterested Venkys unless through an advisor.

Like it or not, I suspect we're stuck with Tony for the foreseeable future.

Yawn, win a few, yawn lose a few, yawn draw a couple, yawn yawn.

[JBiz]

One thing I would like to throw into this debate is our injuries this season have played a part. That’s not subjective - it’s fact. The way we spent money to counter this and our squad development is another thing all together.

The pertinent point missing for me from many summaries of TM - last two games we’ve been forced to call on our squad. That’s not his fault but the depth is his responsibility!

[Athlete]

Just now, darrenrover said:

The issue surely is who is evaluating Mowbray's position?

It won't be Waggott and unlikely to be a disinterested Venkys unless through an advisor.

Like it or not, I suspect we're stuck with Tony for the foreseeable future.

Yawn, win a few, yawn lose a few, yawn draw a couple, yawn yawn.

Mr likeable TM is going nowhere unless a advisor/agent gets in balajis ear and round and round we go.. The question goes back again to why do venkys own us what are they getting out of it etc etc 

TM surrounded on the ground by Waggott venus etc his mates 

[Ossydave]

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Not Grayson , of no improvement on mowbray. 
 

would be fine with hughton, Johnson or ainsworth 

Absolutely agree on Grayson, if we're going through the upheaval of sacking a manager then we sure as hell need to be replacing him with someone better. Statistically Mowbray has been marginally more successful than Grayson in % of games won.

Ainsworth I really don't know about. It's a fairytale type appointment and he does favour an attacking style which would appeal to many. It's just whether it's the right time in his career to make the step up. No doubt he's done a good job at Wycombe but expectations are nowhere near as high, especially at a club that has average crowds of about 5k.  He's never had much money to spend up until the recent takeover. His contacts in the game are most probably lower league where he spent his playing career. In short, he's a massive risk and not sure one we can take.

[tomphil]

A change at the end of the season needs to be a definite upgrade not more of the same. I don't think there's any point in change for changes sake at the min. Been a fan of Grayson in the past but i wouldn't swap him for Mowbray i don't think he seems pretty identikit.

It would needs to be someone with at least a bit of pedigree.

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

He wasn't at Bradford very long so quite harsh to judge, but yeah can see that argument. Blackpool I think he has them about level as to where they are at quality wise - a mid table league 1 team. So not sure how that counts as a failure. 

As for Sunderland everyone has failed there including a lot of managers with success elsewhere. Not a complete excuse but I wonder if it says more about the club than the manager. Either way I think he is better than TM who makes basic errors of inconsistent selections and players out of position, as well as blowing our transfer budget - twice! 

Blackpool are in the similar league position as last season. 

Sunderland seems a poison chalice of a club. And not their current owner Stewart Donald wants to sell the club now.  

 

Just now, darrenrover said:

The issue surely is who is evaluating Mowbray's position?

It won't be Waggott and unlikely to be a disinterested Venkys unless through an advisor.

Like it or not, I suspect we're stuck with Tony for the foreseeable future.

Yawn, win a few, yawn lose a few, yawn draw a couple, yawn yawn.

The owners have backed Mowbray and his plans. He has alot of credit with the owners and they seems a very high level of trust between them. 

Just now, Harry The Bass said:

One thing I would like to throw into this debate is our injuries this season have played a part. That’s not subjective - it’s fact. The way we spent money to counter this and our squad development is another thing all together.

The pertinent point missing for me from many summaries of TM - last two games we’ve been forced to call on our squad. That’s not his fault but the depth is his responsibility!

Yes We enter the Bristol City game with a fully fit squad and since then we have pick up a number of injuries to players. 

[JBiz]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

The owners have backed Mowbray and his plans. He has alot of credit with the owners and they seems a very high level of trust between them. 

Yes We enter the Bristol City game with a fully fit squad and since then we have pick up a number of injuries to players. 

Reality is though - could a another manager spent the Brereton and Gally money better?

Nothing is easy in football but your top two signings price wise will often define your long term aims. Currently, neither look equipped to fire us beyond what Dack and co could muster.

Without Dack, we look adrift. I’d even go as far as saying that our dressing room will suffer because it lacks his personality - and thus, I’d suggest the next month is the hardest transfer window to date for TM

[Bbrovers2288]

14 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

Absolutely agree on Grayson, if we're going through the upheaval of sacking a manager then we sure as hell need to be replacing him with someone better. Statistically Mowbray has been marginally more successful than Grayson in % of games won.

Ainsworth I really don't know about. It's a fairytale type appointment and he does favour an attacking style which would appeal to many. It's just whether it's the right time in his career to make the step up. No doubt he's done a good job at Wycombe but expectations are nowhere near as high, especially at a club that has average crowds of about 5k.  He's never had much money to spend up until the recent takeover. His contacts in the game are most probably lower league where he spent his playing career. In short, he's a massive risk and not sure one we can take.

Get what your saying but fergy took over Man Utd when he spent his career in Scotland with only lower league Scottish contacts, sometimes folk just need an opportunity. A gamble - yes. A deserved shot at the bigger stage- I’d say so. Got Wycombe to the top of their league on a shoestring , playing good football . He wouldn’t be my number 1 but he is one I could get behind was my point. Same as Johnson 

[47er]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The owners have backed Mowbray and his plans. He has alot of credit with the owners and they seems a very high level of trust between them. 

Given Venkys' track record, this is not very reassuring!

 

[Athlete]

3 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Get what your saying but fergy took over Man Utd when he spent his career in Scotland with only lower league Scottish contacts

 scottish sides lol he won the European Cup winners Cup with Aberdeen he was a success on a big stage 

 

[Amo]

3 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Get what your saying but fergy took over Man Utd when he spent his career in Scotland with only lower league Scottish contacts, sometimes folk just need an opportunity. A gamble - yes. A deserved shot at the bigger stage- I’d say so. Got Wycombe to the top of their league on a shoestring , playing good football . He wouldn’t be my number 1 but he is one I could get behind was my point. Same as Johnson 

Do Wycombe play good football? Would be interesting to hear from a few of their fans. 
 

I don’t think we can afford to be too choosy about the style of football we want. Whatever gets results. 

 

[Bohinen 22]

Mowbray is going nowhere any time soon. On paper we are 3 points off play offs. In reality, as most rational and resigned fans are aware, this gap will only increase. But he will be here until he decides otherwise. 

[bigbrandjohn]

Lest we forget. What an inspiration. #thankGodhewalked. 
 

Strong words from Ipswich manager Paul Lambert! 

“If they want to go and employ another manager, no problem. I’ll go, it’s not a problem for me to go. I’ll leave tomorrow or I’ll leave the next day, it’s not a problem.” ?️

?️ @twtduk 

#ITFC

[Roverthechimp]

4 hours ago, Mr. E said:

From Venkys perspective though it is hard to understand, surely they will make more money if we are back in the Premiership? Even if they have to choose a manager that is a bit more annoying (for them) to work with, surely from a business standpoint that is worth the hassle for getting back to the Premiership? They are losing millions every year on us, from what I understand. Are they happy to be in the Championship forever? If so, then it makes sense for them to keep Mowbray. But if not, if they want more profit from this club and want to be in the Premiership - surely there is absolutely no sense or reason in believing that Mowbray can somehow deliver that?

Put Kean, Berg, Appleton, Lambert and Coyle together with Bowyer (feels bad including him but it reinforces the point):

Have Venkys ever chosen a manager who would indicate that they see an imminent return to the prem as essential? 

[Norbert Rassragr]

2 hours ago, bigbrandjohn said:

Lest we forget. What an inspiration. #thankGodhewalked. 
 

Strong words from Ipswich manager Paul Lambert! 

“If they want to go and employ another manager, no problem. I’ll go, it’s not a problem for me to go. I’ll leave tomorrow or I’ll leave the next day, it’s not a problem.” ?️

?️ @twtduk 

#ITFC

He really has had come across well over the last few years. Always seemed to be willing to muck in and face tough times and overcome them. 
 

Who am I kidding? 

[arbitro]

Mowbrays slow build theory is backfiring massively. With another huge loss just reported and no real assets to cash in with and now Dack is injured our future looks bleak. And with several out of contract and loan players potentially leaving they will need replacing. With no money what will he bring in?

With the problems mounting our only escape route is youngsters and I would entrust Damien Johnson to try and take the players he has nurtured into the first team.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, arbitro said:

Mowbrays slow build theory is backfiring massively. With another huge loss just reported and no real assets to cash in with and now Dack is injured our future looks bleak. And with several out of contract and loan players potentially leaving they will need replacing. With no money what will he bring in?

With the problems mounting our only escape route is youngsters and I would entrust Damien Johnson to try and take the players he has nurtured into the first team.

Johnson's promotion to the first team set up was probably made in large part due to his background working with the young players but as he is now involved with the first team I can't see the logic of getting rid of the existing manager to bring in someone who is untested.