Tony Mowbray Discussion

[lraC]

Just now, 47er said:

The same Mowbray whose paid £12M for Brereton and Gallagher? Madness!

I’m just not getting this any more. What on earth are the decision makers thinking of when we are spending that sort of money on players, who simply aren’t producing the goods?

They very future of the club is dangling before our eyes, given the latest set of figures. Whether to keep the manager or not will be the least of our problems very soon. It doesn’t bode well this.

[OldEwoodBlue]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

You don't respect the job he has done in rebuilding this club and uniting the club with the fans

What does this mean ?

 

We are where we were when Bowyer was knocking about in mediocrity. We have a worse group of players (quality and asset value) and an unmangeable debt. Nothing has been rebuilt. If you mean he took away the bad taste of Coyle then thats fair enough. 

Uniting the club with the fans ? You made this up or something ? Ha. Joke of the decade.

 

[47er]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

You have hatred for Mowbray don't you? 

You don't respect the job he has done in rebuilding this club and uniting the club with the fans

Why did you want him sacked then? Notice you ducked that one!

[Roverthechimp]

11 minutes ago, 47er said:

Yes it is!

And a very bad one.

Not my words that you quote. Please edit

[K-Hod]

Lads/lasses- I know we will all be hyped for new year’s eve tonight, but can we simmer down and be a bit nicer to each other, please?

Thanks.

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

 

All of those things are good, Mowbray deserves credit for them and perhaps he could stay in some sort of development role. He just shouldn't be in charge of the first team any more. 

That’s a fair enough opinion, one I disagree with. I guess when I add up all scenarios in my head, I’m not convinced the best option as of now, is a change.

Summer is the re-evaluation time for me.

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, 47er said:

No, your mate already made that point so I provided the balance!

Anyway, you've changed your tune (big surprise there!),you wanted him sacked a while back! Remember?

Read the thread properly

9 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

What does this mean ?

 

We are where we were when Bowyer was knocking about in mediocrity. We have a worse group of players (quality and asset value) and an unmangeable debt. Nothing has been rebuilt. If you mean he took away the bad taste of Coyle then thats fair enough. 

Uniting the club with the fans ? You made this up or something ? Ha. Joke of the decade.

 

I would say the squad are quite different but similar quality wise IMO. 

Yes Mowbray has rebuilt the club, put in place a proper scouting system, etc. 

After the Coyle episode alot of fans fell out of love with the club. I was close myself. So Mowbray has bought the fans back to the club and made it feel like our club. 

4 minutes ago, 47er said:

Why did you want him sacked then? Notice you ducked that one!

Actually if you read the thread properly I said yesterday that I said I would give him the season. 

Miss that one didn't you? 

[Leonard Venkhater]

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

Put Kean, Berg, Appleton, Lambert and Coyle together with Bowyer (feels bad including him but it reinforces the point):

Have Venkys ever chosen a manager who would indicate that they see an imminent return to the prem as essential? 

Agreed. I would almost say their choice of managers has shown the premiership was being avoided..

Actually leaving Kean in post in the summer of 2011 spoke absolute volumes. Then, to do it again in 2012 screamed it from the rooftops.

The manager appointments since then have wreaked of no on-field ambition. The Coyle appointment was pure Venky's self-parody. 

As ever, it comes down to that unanswered question. Why are they here?

 

[arbitro]

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Whittingham and Caddis were free transfers. Samuel was 350k and Chapman I don't know. 

 

But they didn't play for nothing. And we ended up paying them off. A rough estimate between £1.5 and £2m. We did pay a fee for Gladwin and then gave him a six month deal to convalesce.

These are questions the owners should be asking.

 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, arbitro said:

These are questions the owners should be asking.

Well I'm sure the owners have but 18 months ago not now. 

[arbitro]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Well I'm sure the owners have but 18 months ago not now. 

Will they no be included in the latest accounts?

Irrespective my point about Mowbray splurging money stands.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just now, arbitro said:

Will they no be included in the latest accounts?

Irrespective my point about Mowbray splurging money stands.

It is like he has bought expensive whiskey and is pouring it straight down the toilet. cutting out the middle man

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, arbitro said:

Will they no be included in the latest accounts?

 

 

But don't forget those accounts ended on 31st March 2019. So 9 months old. But surely those discussions about Whittingham and Caddis would happen in August 2018 which is 16 months ago

[Amo]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes Mowbray has rebuilt the club, put in place a proper scouting system, etc. 

Is that the same one which recruited Gallagher and Brereton? ?

[arbitro]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

But don't forget those accounts ended on 31st March 2019. So 9 months old. But surely those discussions about Whittingham and Caddis would happen in August 2018 which is 16 months ago

It's a moot point you are making. I'm my previous post the point was about wasting money rather than being pedantic about when it was.

[Husky]

Bring back the poll.

Stop listening to Amber and The Wag.

 

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

You have hatred for Mowbray don't you? 

You don't respect the job he has done in rebuilding this club and uniting the club with the fans

Not so long ago you wanted him out. You really do turn with the tide

[roverandout]

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Read the thread properly

I would say the squad are quite different but similar quality wise IMO. 

Yes Mowbray has rebuilt the club, put in place a proper scouting system, etc. 

After the Coyle episode alot of fans fell out of love with the club. I was close myself. So Mowbray has bought the fans back to the club and made it feel like our club. 

Actually if you read the thread properly I said yesterday that I said I would give him the season. 

Miss that one didn't you? 

No you didn't . When rovers were on a bad run, you wanted him binned. You never once mentioned giving him the season. You write so many contradictory things, you can't keep up with your own posts

[roverandout]

Feels like we keep going round and round the mowbary bush

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roverandout said:

No you didn't . When rovers were on a bad run, you wanted him binned. You never once mentioned giving him the season. You write so many contradictory things, you can't keep up with your own posts

mentioned yesterday Roverandout. Posted 20 hours ago and on page 151. My current view has changed from wanting a change of manager to allow Mowbray the season and review his position at the end of the season.

here the link to my post

 

Edited December 31, 2019 by chaddyrovers

[K-Hod]

Mowbray bi-polar- @OnePhilT I like that!

I want him to do well, I really do.

But then he frustrates the hell out of me with the decisions he makes ?.

[roverandout]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

mentioned yesterday Roverandout. 20 hours ago. 

here the link to my post

 

What does this tell me chaddy? A few months ago you wanted him out asap

[roversfan99]

I would say that Mowbray has done a good job, not a superb job, unable to stop relegation, promoted but not as Champions, then on course for a second season of stability and mid table consolidation. Certainly a man who will be looked back on fairly fondly.

One thing that is interesting is with Dack so unfortunately out of the picture, with his injury covering the majority of his remaining contract, putting him to one side as we may have to do, is our overall squad massively better/more valuable than when Mowbray came in, prior to spending what is not much shy of 20m I would suggest, and having 3 years to build and room to manoeuvre wage wise? The situation with Dack is very unfortunate because as a signing both in terms of effectiveness and value it was an absolute masterstroke, but ultimately should all of your eggs be in one basket.

He has made quite a few signings for 6 figure fees, Bell, Chapman, Samuel, Rothwell, Davenport, Gladwin, Hart, I dont think you could argue that any of them have come off, Rothwell is the closest but whether it is down to the limitations of the player or the manager, or a bit of both, he has failed to impact games. I dont think any of these can be suggested as successes or a new manager would be excited to inherit them.

Who are our most saleable assets, if indeed we have any? Lenihan who he inherited is probably our most valuable, and he has question marks over various things, can be rash, limited on the ball and injury prone. Beside that, maybe Travis or Nyambe but you wouldnt get that much for either. The only one of Mowbrays signings that may have some value attached to them is Armstrong, who often flatters to deceive and I suspect you would be fortunate to break even on.

The majority of Mowbrays funds have gone into 2 players whose values will have massively depreciated. Baring in mind Gallagher I suspect is on very competitive wages, I would suspect that we would do well to get any buyers, especially for a 7 figure fee for either.

His use of the loan market and also of short term deals has been mixed, some undoubted successes, Reed who has now gone, Adarabioyo who is still here, both good, Palmer and Payne less so, Antonsson and Walton in between, same with short term deals, Downing has been good, Whittingham terrible. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by roversfan99

[tomphil]

Just now, roverandout said:

What does this tell me chaddy? A few months ago you wanted him out asap

There was a reason the Chadometer you know.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, roverandout said:

What does this tell me chaddy? A few months ago you wanted him out asap

3 points of the playoffs and he turned results until the last 3 games. That's 2 months ago. IMO, he is our best chance of promotion this season 

I agree with @OnePhilT post. Excellent post