Tony Mowbray Discussion

[OldEwoodBlue]

At this rate we are resigned to at least another decade in the wilderness.

It's like a 2 horse race between Promotion to the PL & Administration.

Edited January 1, 2020 by OldEwoodBlue

[tomphil]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

I'm trying to state the factual position as it now is with regard to the club's finances and the FFP implications - indeed there doesn't appear to be any disagreement.

Leading on from there any new manager will be working with considerable financial constraints and I've given my opinion that as a consequence (1) attracting proven big name managers like some of the names regularly mentioned on here is likely to be impossible and (2) preferring a novice in Damien Johnson to an experienced man like Tony Mowbray is probably a mistake. Of course you are free to give contrary opinions. 

Which is why i'd look to change at the end of the season regardless of where we finish. To just keep him because we've no money yet he's the one who's wasted it doesn't sit well with me at all. Only in football do you get away with that but yes i'd still expect him to steer us to midtable, i'd expect that whether we have massive funds or non though !

The other option though is if he pulled a masterstroke and flogged Armstrong for say 6 million thus giving a contribution to the FFP income. That would be the way to go in my book otherwise his method of being happy with just doing enough is enough will go on and on.  Until the whole squad is flogged off again of course.

[Mashed Potatoes]

You must have had a good New Years Eve to think we'll get £6m for Armstrong !

More seriously, Mowbray's contract runs to June 2022 so getting rid of him - and presumably some of his team - will cost a fair bit and mean that the new man is starting from an even worse place with FFP.  I can understand why what is looking like poor signings for big money is going to end up protecting the manager is upsetting for people but we have to start from where we are rather than where we would like to be.The question is who is going to want the job if the financial constraints are so tough; the difficulty is always going to be that anyone who is any good is going to have a choice as to where they go and we just don't look like that attractive a proposition to me.

[tomphil]

I did say 'masterstroke' !

Putting like that the only other option would be install Johnson or someone else similar and have TM as mentor for a season. Carry on the chain and see out his contract.

Doubt he'd be happy with that though unless it was his call although i do think there are plenty options to replace him for little money. We shop on the scrapheap remember and there's no compen.  Some of these guys just want a wage like Coyle and will work cheap, sadly we have the wrong people picking them.

We aren't at that point though i think we'll end up a bit like dingles under Ternant for another year or two.  Gates will end up similar as well.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

 and having a safe pair of hands in charge becomes an attractive proposition

Let's hope we get a pair then.

[Roverthechimp]

39 minutes ago, tomphil said:

That's true but it's also completely leaving out the wasted money that should have been put to better use under this manager. There are no lengths you won't go to to twist it in his favour by the looks of it.

He's done some good stuff but on this one he/they have stuffed up badly - fact

The way it's now being used by some to justify keeping him IN the job is almost political in its spin.  Alistar Campbell would be proud.

For me that is the deciding factor. Gallagher i think is a TM signing and, imo, not a total waste of money though needs to get goals.

BB i suspect is not a TM signing.

If both are TM signings (ie they were on his "want/must" list) then he should probably be dismissed.

[Stuart]

54 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I don't really understand your post but if "the job" is to get promotion to the Premier League with possibly no net spend in the transfer market from now on - and possibly a requirement to turn a profit - then you must realise that "the right man" is going to be very hard to identify because it's going to be so tough to do.

You don’t understand that you can’t hide behind FFP as preventing success when you spend £14m on players that don’t improve the first team?

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Stuart said:

You don’t understand that you can’t hide behind FFP as preventing success when you spend £14m on players that don’t improve the first team?

I've already answered this in my previous post on this thread

[DE.]

Mowbray himself said 70 points is the minimum target in September: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/17930673.where-aiming-year--mowbray-outlines-rovers-target/

In that article he also talks about getting funding in January (which now appears to be backtracked on, a common theme this season sadly with the 'defenders are coming' fiasco from the summer). 

[Husky]

He's STILL here then?

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Roverthechimp said:

For me that is the deciding factor. Gallagher i think is a TM signing and, imo, not a total waste of money though needs to get goals.

BB i suspect is not a TM signing.

If both are TM signings (ie they were on his "want/must" list) then he should probably be dismissed.

I'm similar and I actually don't mind Gallagher. Brereton I try to stay away from having a pop at him as a player, just think he's out his depth at the min.

I'll question both signings though based on the amount of money and where it should have been spent. 

I think though imo they've looked at the academy and seen plenty midfielders and a couple of defenders who should come through but no strikers.

That's led to the big money panicky maybe, young striker signings. Someone has done a good 'advising' job again upstairs.

Edited January 1, 2020 by tomphil

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I've already answered this in my previous post on this thread

So you did understand then? Strange comment.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Just now, tomphil said:

I'm similar and I actually don't mind Gallagher. Brereton I try to stay away from having a pop at him as a player, just think he's out his depth at the min.

I'll question both signings though based on the amount of money and where it should have been spent. 

I think though imo they've looked at the academy and seen plenty midfielders and a couple of defenders who should come through but no strikers.

That's led to the big money panicky maybe, young striker signings. Someone has done a good 'advising' job again upstairs.

Interesting point.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Stuart said:

So you did understand then? Strange comment.

I had no difficulty understanding Tomphil's post; yours on the other hand................

[bigbrandjohn]

Perhaps a move like this with Mowbray would provide a greater stability for our club going forward and silence the doubters. You can’t make this up. 
 

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/what-a-joke-plenty-of-ipswich-town-fans-react-to-big-paul-lambert-news/

[Stuart]

48 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I had no difficulty understanding Tomphil's post; yours on the other hand................

[bluefred]

Time to go Mowbray, you’ve out stayed your welcome.

[davulsukur]

Doesn't have a clue as to what he is doing.

[Husky]

Needless to say we aren't going to score 3 goals in the last 25 without reply.

So we're now on a 4 game winless run.

Apart from the relegation favourites, when a team gets to around 5 games without a win murmurs start regarding the manager.

Winter is coming.

Edited January 1, 2020 by Husky

[DE.]

He ain't being sacked so it's just a question of what it takes for him to walk. It wasn't 9 losses in 11 last season, so... who knows. He seemed close before we went on our usual 'save the manager' run of form at the beginning of the month. With the pressure on Mowbray gone the players and manager have now reverted to type. 

[jim mk2]

After one win in 6 it would be typical of Mowbray to put a winning run together.

He frustrates the hell out of me and I don't enjoy watching his teams. I wish he would go, and soon. 

[Cherry Blue]

Christmas period of games brings out the strengths of any club but the mistakes and inabilities of our manager are well below championship standard. And whoever disagrees with me is not looking at this seasons facts.

I don't care what the financial issues are, just sack Tony Mowbray.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Cherry Blue said:

Christmas period of games brings out the strengths of any club but the mistakes and inabilities of our manager are well below championship standard. And whoever disagrees with me is not looking at this seasons facts.

I don't care what the financial issues are, just sack Tony Mowbray.

I am afraid that in the real world you have to care about financial issues.

[DE.]

I don't necessarily think Mowbray is below Championship standard but he's way, way below playoff standard. Lower mid-table in this division is his ceiling and will be our ceiling for as long as he's here. Could get a lot worse if the taps are turned off and we start selling as we did during Bowyer's final days. 

[JBiz]

Just now, Cherry Blue said:

Christmas period of games brings out the strengths of any club but the mistakes and inabilities of our manager are well below championship standard. And whoever disagrees with me is not looking at this seasons facts.

I don't care what the financial issues are, just sack Tony Mowbray.

“Now that’s what I call condescending”...!

Less sarcastic though, I think you’ll find all stats point towards Tony being a good second tier manager, but probably not good enough to get our team out of the division.