Tony Mowbray Discussion

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, benhben said:

Some other interesting points I took from that..

First regarding Chapman:

“I think initially it’s because of the numbers we’ve got but it’s an opportunity for him to try and do enough to make sure that as people come back he stays on the bench,” Mowbray told the Lancashire Telegraph.

“It’s down to him really. I thought he did alright. We need end product from our wide players.”

Great motivation, basically being told you will only ever make the bench. And the other wide players are creating loads of chances? Id be off if I was him. Obviously never going to get much game time while TM is here. 

Secondly regarding Rothwell,

“I’ve been showing him an example of (Bryan) Mbeumo at Brentford, 10 goals and five assists.

“Joe has no goals and no assists.

Pretty damning and also true. Whilst he may excite at times, you cant argue Rothwell needs to do more . 

 

The reality is that Mowbray is being critical of himself and his coaching staff regarding Rothwell. He's been here 18 months now and there hasn't been any marked improvement as I see it. If Mowbray sees weaknesses he should address them on the training ground and not go public in his criticism of him. It's not the first time neither. If he can't be improved then it's another filed under 'Mowbray's poor signings '.

[Scotland1]

Mbueno along with Bozok were sign8ngs I mentioned in the summer at 3 million a piece. A bit like Stéphane Diarra now.

Instead we get Mowbray limited imagination

Edited January 3, 2020 by Scotland1

[stinny1]

I think his body language seems too come across as a guy who has run out of ideas . His lack of leadership and direction  from the managers area says it all and his man management and the constant  changing  of the team  doesn't  help .  Ive been brought  up on wingers playing at Rovers Brotherston, Sellers ,Ripley ,Wilcox ,Duff  they got you off your seat. Bennett , Armstrong  and Gallagher don't  . We are three players off  . Left back with paces a winger on the right and a goal scoring number 10  team, Walton Nyambe , Lenihan, Tosin , New on loan  , Chapman or Rothwell  Travis , Evans ,  New on loan , New might need money , Graham only goal scorer in team . We move the ball to slow and need pace on the wings and we need too play with a quicker tempo not rocket science

[simongarnerisgod]

reading todays telegraph mowbray again discussing players by name and singling them out,a manager should keep his views on his players to the dressing room and training ground,it can` t help morale to be honest,you never read about saxton,mackay,dalglish,souness or hughes etc discussing what a player can or can`t do to the press,completely counter productive imo,especially to a young player

[Tom]

Chapman won the free kick that led to the goal, won about 4 corners and put in our best corner of the match

He did his part, Mowbray will always highlight his flaws though 

[Blackpool_Rover]

1 hour ago, Amo said:

Coyle joined pre-season 2016.

Ironically, Mowbray was the mid-season replacement. 

Ah....oops.

[G Somerset Rover]

See in another latest interview he has said there won’t be many changes for tomorrow’s game. Mowbray logic - make 4-7 changes per match for 5 league games in a row, then keep a very similar lineup for a Cup game.

Edit: here’s the interview: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18135929.mowbray-outlines-rovers-selection-plans-fa-cup-tie/

Edited January 3, 2020 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Wegerleswiggle]

Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

See in another latest interview he has said there won’t be many changes for tomorrow’s game. Mowbray logic - make 4-7 changes per match for 5 league games in a row, then keep a very similar lineup for a Cup game.

Edit: here’s the interview: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18135929.mowbray-outlines-rovers-selection-plans-fa-cup-tie/

He asks the players how they are playing??? 

This man is unreal. He might as well just use jumpers for goal posts and let the biggest boys pick the team. 

Do one Tony!!!

[Roverthechimp]

14 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

See in another latest interview he has said there won’t be many changes for tomorrow’s game. Mowbray logic - make 4-7 changes per match for 5 league games in a row, then keep a very similar lineup for a Cup game.

Edit: here’s the interview: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18135929.mowbray-outlines-rovers-selection-plans-fa-cup-tie/

So if i am an opposing manager/player then i now to give Downing a "little tap" on his knee  ??

[Roverthechimp]

Finally watched highlights v Forest and Rothwell hit awesome passes in the buildup to both goals.

That should be mentioned by TM as a point of balance to the Brentford guy comment.

Disclaimer: not a big Rothwell fan myself and have been a staunch TM supporter but ffs...

 

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, Blackpool_Rover said:

The Mowbray out brigade I refer to is on Twitter rather than on here. That's probably my mistake. I've uninstalled it now! 

I understand why people are against him I just don't see the point in making a change now. Who could we even get? Last time we did this mid-season we ended up with Coyle.

Just see where we are at the end of the season then if he goes (and if there isn't progress it might be a mutual decision) the new guy can have a pre-season.

IMO, the quicker Mowbray and his cronies are drummed out of the club the better.

To 'move him upstairs' as some have advocated would be ridiculous.  Just what has he got to offer!?

Johnson should be given the role for the rest of the season if there is no obvious replacement available - surely, he could do no worse.

[tomphil]

3 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

See in another latest interview he has said there won’t be many changes for tomorrow’s game. Mowbray logic - make 4-7 changes per match for 5 league games in a row, then keep a very similar lineup for a Cup game.

Edit: here’s the interview: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18135929.mowbray-outlines-rovers-selection-plans-fa-cup-tie/

He's beyond parody now on this subject,

[47er]

8 hours ago, arbitro said:

The reality is that Mowbray is being critical of himself and his coaching staff regarding Rothwell. He's been here 18 months now and there hasn't been any marked improvement as I see it. If Mowbray sees weaknesses he should address them on the training ground and not go public in his criticism of him. It's not the first time neither. If he can't be improved then it's another filed under 'Mowbray's poor signings '.

Has any player improved under Mowbray? They all seem to go backwards. You could make an exception for Dack I suppose but he was good when he came.

[Stuart]

Just now, 47er said:

Has any player improved under Mowbray? They all seem to go backwards. You could make an exception for Dack I suppose but he was good when he came.

Williams? But only when moved to centre back. After that I’m really struggling.

[stinny1]

7 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

Finally watched highlights v Forest and Rothwell hit awesome passes in the buildup to both goals.

That should be mentioned by TM as a point of balance to the Brentford guy comment.

Disclaimer: not a big Rothwell fan myself and have been a staunch TM supporter but ffs...

 

where did the crosses come from was it from the wings by any chance . TM needs to get width in the team  if he could get both wings working Rovers would get more chances per game

[47er]

27 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Williams? But only when moved to centre back. After that I’m really struggling.

Yes, fair comment.

[Sparks Rover]

10 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

Finally watched highlights v Forest and Rothwell hit awesome passes in the buildup to both goals.

That should be mentioned by TM as a point of balance to the Brentford guy comment.

I think the point of balance should be him outing Bennett, Del, etc when they cost us goals...I've never heard him name these lads and they make a goal costing mistake every game virtually. 

For some reason he has his favourite gang and Rothwell doesn't seem to be in it.

[JBiz]

3 hours ago, 47er said:

Has any player improved under Mowbray? They all seem to go backwards. You could make an exception for Dack I suppose but he was good when he came.

Raya, Nyambe (particularly this season), Lenihan, Williams, Bell, (even if only by a small amount) Evans, Travis, Buckley, Rothwell, Armstrong, and of course Dack who’s either been improved or spotted below his ability.

Should've been more? That’s an easy argument to win but to suggest the entire team has gone backwards smacks of abject negative bias!

 

[roversfan99]

Just now, Harry The Bass said:

Raya, Nyambe (particularly this season), Lenihan, Williams, Bell, (even if only by a small amount) Evans, Travis, Buckley, Rothwell, Armstrong, and of course Dack who’s either been improved or spotted below his ability.

Should've been more? That’s an easy argument to win but to suggest the entire team has gone backwards smacks of abject negative bias!

 

Has Rothwell? He has done nothing all season. Has Buckley? Only been in the first team picture for a lshort while and I havent seen much improvement. Did Raya? Went backwards to the point of being criticised and dropped. Has Bell? I have seen no improvement whatsoever, Mowbray has seemingly lost his patience with him. Armstrong? Not sure, suppose he has scored more this season so maybe. Dack has always been good but Mowbray deserves praise for that. I think Lenihan is more refined than when Mowbray joined too. Williams probably yes. Evans has always had spells of decent performances. Both maybes.

[JBiz]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Has Rothwell? He has done nothing all season. Has Buckley? Only been in the first team picture for a lshort while and I havent seen much improvement. Did Raya? Went backwards to the point of being criticised and dropped. Has Bell? I have seen no improvement whatsoever, Mowbray has seemingly lost his patience with him. Armstrong? Not sure, suppose he has scored more this season so maybe. Dack has always been good but Mowbray deserves praise for that. I think Lenihan is more refined than when Mowbray joined too. Williams probably yes. Evans has always had spells of decent performances. Both maybes.

I think the the simple stat that Bell and Rothwell are a level above from their previous clubs points to improvement but also might spell out why both are somewhat ineffectual in this league over consistent spells.

Travis, Nyambe, Lenihan and Raya (before he left) all better under TM than Coyle for me but not difficult since one hardly feautured and another only came through under TM

Buckley looks at home at times but perhaps naive and under strength at others but his chance had come under TM and, if he becomes another mainstay like Travis in time - it’s Buckley who deserves the key credit, TM, Johnson and co after that.

My point was more that the team has come forwards under Mowbray but perhaps not to where he and we expected / wanted.

[AllRoverAsia]

My 3 minute rule just saved me 

[Athlete]

17 hours ago, Mercer said:

IMO, the quicker Mowbray and his cronies are drummed out of the club the better.

To 'move him upstairs' as some have advocated would be ridiculous.  Just what has he got to offer!?

Johnson should be given the role for the rest of the season if there is no obvious replacement available - surely, he could do no worse.

Mowbray venus Waggott and the rest of his cronies need to go asap.. Imo they are making a killing on the back of the club being owned by rarely interested owners several thousand miles away and could make a even bigger killing if certain avenues open up.. A certain Coventry training ground sale springs to mind.. 

[47er]

8 hours ago, Harry The Bass said:

Raya, Nyambe (particularly this season), Lenihan, Williams, Bell, (even if only by a small amount) Evans, Travis, Buckley, Rothwell, Armstrong, and of course Dack who’s either been improved or spotted below his ability.

Should've been more? That’s an easy argument to win but to suggest the entire team has gone backwards smacks of abject negative bias!

 

What a crock! I think it might be you who's biased!! We should be further up the league with all that manager-inspired improvement.

The guy's a genius!

[JBiz]

Just now, 47er said:

What a crock! I think it might be you who's biased!! We should be further up the league with all that manager-inspired improvement.

The guy's a genius!

I can acknowledge we should be doing better, but you cannot seem to acknowledge that every player hasn’t gone backwards.

Its like Christmas dinner with one of the “alternative facts” brigade... 

[JBiz]

28 minutes ago, Athlete said:

Mowbray venus Waggott and the rest of his cronies need to go asap.. Imo they are making a killing on the back of the club being owned by rarely interested owners several thousand miles away and could make a even bigger killing if certain avenues open up.. A certain Coventry training ground sale springs to mind.. 

You know what also springs to mind? All three would likely be rewarded more than double their current terms if they put the club back in the prem.

So why hold us back for their own gain? Strikes me as paranoid and ridiculous but am I surprised?

Edited January 4, 2020 by Harry The Bass