chaddyrovers Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, davulsukur said: I wouldn't go as far as to say a conspiracy theory. Seems a fairly logical conclusion to arrive at, that Mowbray recommended Waggott to Venkys at the very least and they acted on his recommendation. Mowbray has a long history with working with people from previous clubs. Having a CEO with whom he already built a working relationship with in the past, in theory, should be pretty beneficial to everyone. Better the devil you know and all that. if you look at Waggott's comments when he was appointed he explained how the role came around and said that Rovers hired a head hunting company to find a CEO “There’s a headhunting company who scour the market for people to fill posts in sport, predominantly football. “I was approached by a couple of clubs but when this one came on the radar I was extremely interested because of the size of the club, the history of the club, the whole infrastrucutre of the club. “I thought that it could be an unbelievably good challenge for me.” https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/15984156.chief-executive-steve-waggott-background-move-came-appeal-joining-rovers/ Quote
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PeteJD13 Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: if you look at Waggott's comments when he was appointed he explained how the role came around and said that Rovers hired a head hunting company to find a CEO “There’s a headhunting company who scour the market for people to fill posts in sport, predominantly football. “I was approached by a couple of clubs but when this one came on the radar I was extremely interested because of the size of the club, the history of the club, the whole infrastrucutre of the club. “I thought that it could be an unbelievably good challenge for me.” https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/15984156.chief-executive-steve-waggott-background-move-came-appeal-joining-rovers/ Waggott told me he came here because of Mowbray 3 Quote
TBTF Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, davulsukur said: I wouldn't go as far as to say a conspiracy theory. Seems a fairly logical conclusion to arrive at, that Mowbray recommended Waggott to Venkys at the very least and they acted on his recommendation. Mowbray has a long history with working with people from previous clubs. Having a CEO with whom he already built a working relationship with in the past, in theory, should be pretty beneficial to everyone. Better the devil you know and all that. Beneficial , well you could make a case for that yes. Except these two are seriously incompetent . Quote
chaddyrovers Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said: Waggott told me he came here because of Mowbray Cos he was manager here? Quote
tomphil Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said: Mowbray has his own Flag waved at games by whom? I almost chucked up. I wonder who ordered it, actually, I mean I wonder who modest Mowbray told to get it. He's a CULT Ha ha - Flagate ! Appeared in front of the cameras for the Wigan game that just happened to be live. This geezer will get another contract extension before long i'm pretty certain. 4 Quote
Husky Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said: Mowbray has his own Flag waved at games by whom? I almost chucked up. I wonder who ordered it, actually, I mean I wonder who modest Mowbray told to get it. He's a CULT On a misty day Brockhall Village looks a bit like Waco. 1 Quote
Norbert Rassragr Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Hopefully not like Jonestown. Travis a pretty decent player. Quote
speeeeeeedie Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: Well Mark, you think what you want pal. Mowbray has said he had no part in it. I see no reason to disbelief him. You may well want to. Another conspiracy theory It's admirable that you have so much faith in BRFC. You've shown it on here for years. If Rovers issued a statement saying that the earth was flat you'd be on here agreeing with it within 5 minutes. Your blind faith is clouding your judgment. It's no conspiracy to suggest that Waggott got the gig in some part due to Mowbray. They worked together previously and it would seem that they got along. It happens across football. Roy Hodgson has Ray Lewington. Solskjaer brought back Mike Phelan. Moyes took ex-Rover Mick Rathbone to Everton with him. Was Paul Senior a mate of someone on staff at Ewood during his short yet odd tenure? Unfortunately Rovers in its present guise is not a normal institution so questions are going to be asked about every decision made. Waggott is on a loser as long as Venkys own the club. His hands will always be tied. Mowbray will keep the club plodding along, albeit with diminishing returns especially if he wastes transfer budgets on dross who can't play and have no sell on value. 6 Quote
jim mk2 Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said: Waggott is on a loser as long as Venkys own the club. His hands will always be tied. Mowbray will keep the club plodding along, albeit with diminishing returns especially if he wastes transfer budgets on dross who can't play and have no sell on value. Waggott is likely to be on an extremely good salary and I would imagine it is a secure job as long as he keeps his nose clean and the club ticking along in mid-table. Even if we were relegated, would he be sacked? Unlikely, I'd say. The status quo as we stand in the league at present suit Waggott and Mowbray perfectly. No pressure to get promoted and unlikely to go down either. The two of them will have set themselves up for life during their time at Ewood - with more years to add to their pension pots to come. So Waggott is hardly "on a loser" Quote
SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, tomphil said: Ha ha - Flagate ! Appeared in front of the cameras for the Wigan game that just happened to be live. Yep,done it the same style as the Jack Walker flag.Couldn't believe my eyes either... All very crafty and engineered. 4 Quote
Amo Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 For some fans, criticising the club or the manager is strictly taboo because it somehow devalues them as a supporter. That's why he who shall remain nameless changes opinions on a dime to tow the party line. Only when we reach rock bottom is discontent expressed through the most gritted of teeth. 2 Quote
AllRoverAsia Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 2 53 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said: Yep,done it the same style as the Jack Walker flag.Couldn't believe my eyes either... All very crafty and engineered. Brainwashing techniques and effective with some. If it's in celebration of Mowbray then what exactly has he won? what has he done to achieve such celebrity status? Quite sickening really. That man has some ego yet. 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Not sure if the flag is Mowbray's fault but it is certainly well OTT. I would have thought that sort of thing should be reserved for Clough, Shankly, Paisley, Ferguson, King Kenny or Wenger when he was good. Mowbray seems to have unwittingly stumbled on the secret to managerial longevity. Fail in your allotted task of saving a Club from relegation, then bring them back up and your credit with a large section of the fanbase will last forever and a day. ? 1 Quote
Parsonblue Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Personally, I really don't see the issue with the flag. Whoever was the present manager the club would make a flag with their image on. There are two of Jack Walker, one of the badge and one of the manager - linking the club with past and present. I doubt if Mowbray knew anything about the flag and that it was the commercial or community department attempting to do something different on matchdays that probably came up with the idea. 5 Quote
jim mk2 Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, Parsonblue said: Personally, I really don't see the issue with the flag. Whoever was the present manager the club would make a flag with their image on. There are two of Jack Walker, one of the badge and one of the manager - linking the club with past and present. I doubt if Mowbray knew anything about the flag and that it was the commercial or community department attempting to do something different on matchdays that probably came up with the idea. It was a bad idea, whoever came up with it. My money is on Waggott because his career is inextricable linked to Mowbray's. As fans of BRFC, we support the club not another here-today gone-tomorrow manager. Like many others, I was here for decades before Mowbray came and hopefully I'll be here for a few more years after he's gone. A Rovers flag with the club crest is fine, not one adorned with a failing manager 6 Quote
arbitro Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, Parsonblue said: Personally, I really don't see the issue with the flag. Whoever was the present manager the club would make a flag with their image on. There are two of Jack Walker, one of the badge and one of the manager - linking the club with past and present. I doubt if Mowbray knew anything about the flag and that it was the commercial or community department attempting to do something different on matchdays that probably came up with the idea. If we are having huge flags waved I would just like to see iconic figures from our past. Jack Walker being the best example but there are plenty of others. Or the flags could have images of major trophies we have won or teams who have excelled. Can you imagine a flag with Kean or Coyle on it? 1 Quote
Parsonblue Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, arbitro said: If we are having huge flags waved I would just like to see iconic figures from our past. Jack Walker being the best example but there are plenty of others. Or the flags could have images of major trophies we have won or teams who have excelled. Can you imagine a flag with Kean or Coyle on it? Agree, that there are plenty of iconic figures you could have on flags - Dougie and Ronnie to name but two. Sadly, I can imagine someone, somewhere at Ewood believing it would be a good idea to have a Kean or Coyle flag if they were the present manager. 1 Quote
Mattyblue Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 The flag’s generally are a good idea and would be excellent element of a singing section... Quote
Bigdoggsteel Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Ultimately it's just a flag, If results are poor, the flag ain't going to save him. Quote
Amo Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Nothing much has changed has it? We still have a PR machine within the club trying to protect its own interests. Did Dalglish or Souness ever have official flags? Dubious transfer decisions (Brereton). Some fans are questioning how much Mowbray was involved in this deal, ironically to absolve him of any responsibility. 2 Quote
SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 56 minutes ago, Amo said: Nothing much has changed has it? We still have a PR machine within the club trying to protect its own interests. Did Dalglish or Souness ever have official flags? Dubious transfer decisions (Brereton). Some fans are questioning how much Mowbray was involved in this deal, ironically to absolve him of any responsibility. The self preservation Society. 7 Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Good job they weren't making these flags a year or two back. The manager would have been gone before the flag was finished. 6 Quote
Popular Post perthblue02 Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said: Mowbray has his own Flag waved at games by whom? I almost chucked up. I wonder who ordered it, actually, I mean I wonder who modest Mowbray told to get it. He's a CULT The Church of ToMology, not until you reach level 50 do you understand the new playing system Edited January 13, 2020 by perthblue02 10 Quote
JHRover Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Parsonblue said: Personally, I really don't see the issue with the flag. Whoever was the present manager the club would make a flag with their image on. There are two of Jack Walker, one of the badge and one of the manager - linking the club with past and present. I doubt if Mowbray knew anything about the flag and that it was the commercial or community department attempting to do something different on matchdays that probably came up with the idea. I don't have a problem with it as such, as I don't think it is doing any harm, but I do wonder what the motive is behind it. I think it is unprecedented to see a club fund and manufacture a large flag of the manager. It is incomparible to those of Shankly at Liverpool and Ferguson at United where those flags were funded by fans as a tribute to legendary managers. Here the flag has nothing to do with fans. I assume that Waggott will have pushed this and authorised the expenditure. I think the big flags are a good idea but find it odd that we would decide to put the current manager on there. Perhaps if we were fresh off an unbelievable promotion but 18 months after getting us back out of League One I'm not sure is enough to justify such a tribute. As others have said I suspect there's more at play here. Waggott has said before that we are 'lucky' to have Mowbray and need to work hard to keep him here (or words to that effect) and I cant help but think there is a clear effort here to build up Mowbray's popularity and send an image back to those watching in India. It becomes unhealthy. It certainly isn't conventional. 4 Quote
tomphil Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) The last time i saw one like that it was being waved at Anfield with Klopps image on it. Not usually something you'd expect to see at a miss firing midtable championship club with a barely half full ground really. Edited January 13, 2020 by tomphil 2 Quote
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