Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 minute ago, Stuart said:

He’s been found out everywhere.

When he was found out at Rovers he just got told to crack on.

We are just outside the play offs!

[Stuart]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

We are just outside the play offs!

And soon we won’t be, and then we will be again. And this will go on indefinitely with no consistency and no momentum to actually get over the invisible line.

How many weeks has Mowbray had Rovers in the top 6 of the Championship?

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Stuart said:

And soon we won’t be, and then we will be again. And this will go on indefinitely with no consistency and no momentum to actually get over the invisible line.

How many weeks has Mowbray had Rovers in the top 6 of the Championship?

The same as anyone before him,but we are having a decent season where it looks like ,with a bit of luck, we could get ourselves in the mix at the business end. 

[Stuart]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

The same as anyone before him,but we are having a decent season where it looks like ,with a bit of luck, we could get ourselves in the mix at the business end. 

And yet no other club felt he was worth the time we are trusting him with. Like Bowyer, this is just wasting time until the fire sale becomes necessary.

[roverandout]

3 hours ago, Stuart said:

And yet no other club felt he was worth the time we are trusting him with. Like Bowyer, this is just wasting time until the fire sale becomes necessary.

Damn right,  the club is going round in circles 

[47er]

22 hours ago, Wood26 said:

So yeah, I’m waving the flag, Mowbray got us up, he stabilised us, and has us in a good position under awful ownership, the previous 5 managers were garbage, so I’m happy to continue this ride.

Bowyer was NOT garbage! He assembled a promotion side on a shoestring which is more than Mowbray will ever do with millions spent.

 

[Ewood Ace]

7 minutes ago, 47er said:

Bowyer was NOT garbage! He assembled a promotion side on a shoestring which is more than Mowbray will ever do with millions spent.

And he kept us up when he first took charge.

[MarkBRFC]

13 minutes ago, 47er said:

Bowyer was NOT garbage! He assembled a promotion side on a shoestring which is more than Mowbray will ever do with millions spent.

 

I don't recall Bowyer's Rovers ever challenging for a promotion.

[47er]

4 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I don't recall Bowyer's Rovers ever challenging for a promotion.

No he didn't. But he assembled a side capable of promotion with virtually no money!

He wasn't a good enough manager to take that side up. 

And I don't recall a Mowbray side challenging for promotion either despite spending millions and making lots of promises.

[MarkBRFC]

If it didnt get promotion, it's not a promotion side, and that's because of Bowyer. Although you are correct that someone else might have got more out of them.

Agree on Mowbray, he's Bowyer with a budget.

[47er]

24 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

If it didnt get promotion, it's not a promotion side, and that's because of Bowyer. Although you are correct that someone else might have got more out of them.

Agree on Mowbray, he's Bowyer with a budget.

Also, if he hadn't assembled that talent where would we be now financially? Sold off for way more than we paid.

[tomphil]

Interesting debate as to who would have done what with each others squad.

Would GB have done better than TM with this squad ?  No i don't think so but would he have recruited a bit better ?   Probably yes although he'd still have done as he was told if other 'outsiders' were bringing them in with blessing from his bosses. Something i suspect still goes on to a degree.

Would TM have done a bit better with GBs squad of a 40 goal strike force ?  Again i'm not so sure he would but would he have built on it better ?  Unlikely but you never know.

Both done good jobs in certain aspects but both big flaws in others although Bowyer never had the opportunities to kick it on that Mowbray has. Never over till the fat lady sings as they say.

[47er]

27 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

If it didnt get promotion, it's not a promotion side, and that's because of Bowyer. Although you are correct that someone else might have got more out of them.

Agree on Mowbray, he's Bowyer with a budget.

Except he wasted the budget.

[roverandout]

Bowyer is 10 times the muppet manager mowbary will ever be

[Pedro]

8 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

The same as anyone before him,but we are having a decent season where it looks like ,with a bit of luck, we could get ourselves in the mix at the business end. 

Exactly the same points after the same amount of games last season.  Same terrible runs of form and same chopping and changing.  Never in the top six again but in touching distance.  Worse investment than last year but through injury, age or lack of form we've lost the goals and assists of out 3 main goalscorers and creators - Dack, Mulgrew and Graham.

 

It's going to take some serious luck to get us where we need to be.

[Miker]

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

[MarkBRFC]

7 minutes ago, Miker said:

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

Obviously because of that third division season, i accept that you can only beat what is in front if you and it wasn't as easy as a lot make out to get the side going after a poor first couple of months, but i think most can agree that going down was the best thing to happen to Mowbray.

[Pedro]

2 hours ago, Miker said:

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

Again, warped statistics.

In the last forty years, there's only been one manager in the third tier - so he bloody should have a high win %.

Flipside - In the last forty years only Brian Kidd, Steve Kean and Tony Mowbray have relegated Rovers.

 

[Stuart]

2 hours ago, Miker said:

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

Take out the league one stats and let’s compare.

[Amo]

4 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Take out the league one stats and let’s compare.

I make it 35% at Championship level with us

[Amo]

Henning Berg 10.00%
Michael Appleton 26.7% 
Gary Bowyer 34.7% (as full time boss)
Paul Lambert 36.4% 
Owen Coyle 29.7%
Tony Mowbray 35.0%

[OldEwoodBlue]

48 minutes ago, Amo said:

Henning Berg 10.00%
Michael Appleton 26.7% 
Gary Bowyer 34.7% (as full time boss)
Paul Lambert 36.4% 
Owen Coyle 29.7%
Tony Mowbray 35.0%

Those last 3 all had the same agent.

The same one as Steve Kean. Just saying like.

[tomphil]

8 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Those last 3 all had the same agent.

The same one as Steve Kean. Just saying like.

It never really went away that's why i really fear at some point another set of big sales, on advice of course. 

[unleaded]

In a normal club TM would have been sacked by now with all the backing he’s had !! 
He handed out contracts to deadwood who all turned out not even fit for a bonfire night and who snookered him in the end .....

Venkys are too loyal to him and that’s the problem as he’s hoodwinked the lot of them .... 

Reminds me so much of the Kean time with all his pals in the right places ... 

His style of football is just boring like his personality.... 

[RevidgeBlue]

26 minutes ago, unleaded said:

In a normal club TM would have been sacked by now with all the backing he’s had !! 
He handed out contracts to deadwood who all turned out not even fit for a bonfire night and who snookered him in the end .....

Venkys are too loyal to him and that’s the problem as he’s hoodwinked the lot of them .... 

Reminds me so much of the Kean time with all his pals in the right places ... 

His style of football is just boring like his personality.... 

Absolutely spot on.

I find it incredible that there are still people about who think he's doing a good job, although I'd say a few I've spoken to recently seem to have changed from being staunch supporters of his to being completely unsure about him so maybe the mood of the fans is shifting somewhat, albeit slowly.