Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Wood26]

43 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He cant take credit for successes and be absolved of blame for the expensive failures because the idea was right. Johnson cant be argued as a success either, hes had a couple of good games but in the main hes been a massive dissapointment hence the reason that he has played so infrequently in the last 2 or 3 months. Cunningham I think would have been a success but unfortunately the injury came before he was able to have enough of a meaningful impact to be considered one. Armstrong last season was pretty dissapointing but hes doing enough now to be filed as a success, next step is to start scoring more scruffy goals go boost his numbers. Dack, Tosin, Downing all certain successes too.

Regarding the youngsters hes done a good job bringing through, he deserves loads of credit for the unequivocial success that is Lewis Travis, but Rankin Costello has only ever had 2 cameos and Buckley has not impressed at all so lets not prematurely put them into the successes just yet.

Its a really weird one, its just as easy to point to some of his successes on the back of the promotion and argue that he has not done enough to warrant his job being strongly under threat, equally you could suggest that he has had 2 big chances of speeding up progression and wasted them, that we arent progressing quickly enough, we are inconsistent, weve never actually broke into the top 6, and theres a whiff of stagnation and a change would be the best way forwsrd.

Great points. I consider Johnson a success because he’s better then Smallwood. With out doubt he’s up and down, but a game like Bristol away he’s won that for us, something Smallwood wouldn’t do. If I’m Mowbray and I can buy Johnson in summer, I would of, and I’m sure we all would.

Lets just to Harrison Reid as an example, that’s who Mowbray wanted for this role, he turned us down. Can’t always get what we want.

The idea we get a new manager in and all of a sudden we will sign all these great players and be a top team is just fantasy to me. Could it happen? Yes, could it go tits up? Yes. I’d rather back then guy who has us in a better position, then when he took over, and see what happens.

Edited January 31, 2020 by Wood26

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15 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Top of form table over the last 12 games, 3rd most clean sheets in league, yet Mowbray doesn’t know what he’s doing.

He has said all along he needs time for team to gel, get used to new system, which they are and results are proving it.

It’s a tough league, he’s doing a good job.

I'd rather watch good football than statistics.

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3 hours ago, Wood26 said:

I’ll take the digs.

I said after first couple games watching us against Charlton, Fulham, WBA that I had faith in this team once we got up and running. I still stand by it, I’m confident we have the team and manager to make play offs, I’m not deluded enough to guarantee it cos it’s a crazy league, but we will be there or there abouts, if not, feel free to bash me.

One thing I’ll never entertain is attacks on Mowbrays transfers. 1. I think he’s done well with Armstrong, Dack, Tosin, Cunningham, Johnson, Downing. 2. I think he’s doing a good job bringing through Travis, RC, Buckley. 3. I commend him for being able to keep Graham, Mulgrew etc when we went down when previously Venkys would of got rid, 4. I think Brereton was a disaster, and I hoped Gallagher would do better, but I also don’t lay the blame on the manager when they were clearly only given that money to buy those players on hope that we could sell them on.

So yeah, I’m waving the flag, Mowbray got us up, he stabilised us, and has us in a good position under awful ownership, the previous 5 managers were garbage, so I’m happy to continue this ride.

Happy to put hands up if goes tits up.

I don,t totally agree with point 1, Point 2, I think whoever is in charge of the U23,s brings on young players. I agree with point's 3 and 4.

[Amo]

8 hours ago, Wood26 said:

So yeah, I’m waving the flag, Mowbray got us up, he stabilised us, and has us in a good position under awful ownership, the previous 5 managers were garbage, so I’m happy to continue this ride.

Happy to put hands up if goes tits up.

We’ve heard this all before when Bowyer was in charge. Players progressing, previous managers were awful, in sight of the playoffs, stability stability stability. Never happened, did it? And Bowyer didn’t have £12m to flush down the khazi. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18200418.living-legend-mowbray-knows-test-rovers-face-boro/

 

So Rovers are the team Mowbray has managed the most games with during his entire career. 

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18200418.living-legend-mowbray-knows-test-rovers-face-boro/

So Rovers are the team Mowbray has managed the most games with during his entire career. 

He’s been found out everywhere.

When he was found out at Rovers he just got told to crack on.

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 minute ago, Stuart said:

He’s been found out everywhere.

When he was found out at Rovers he just got told to crack on.

We are just outside the play offs!

[Stuart]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

We are just outside the play offs!

And soon we won’t be, and then we will be again. And this will go on indefinitely with no consistency and no momentum to actually get over the invisible line.

How many weeks has Mowbray had Rovers in the top 6 of the Championship?

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Stuart said:

And soon we won’t be, and then we will be again. And this will go on indefinitely with no consistency and no momentum to actually get over the invisible line.

How many weeks has Mowbray had Rovers in the top 6 of the Championship?

The same as anyone before him,but we are having a decent season where it looks like ,with a bit of luck, we could get ourselves in the mix at the business end. 

[Stuart]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

The same as anyone before him,but we are having a decent season where it looks like ,with a bit of luck, we could get ourselves in the mix at the business end. 

And yet no other club felt he was worth the time we are trusting him with. Like Bowyer, this is just wasting time until the fire sale becomes necessary.

[roverandout]

3 hours ago, Stuart said:

And yet no other club felt he was worth the time we are trusting him with. Like Bowyer, this is just wasting time until the fire sale becomes necessary.

Damn right,  the club is going round in circles 

[47er]

22 hours ago, Wood26 said:

So yeah, I’m waving the flag, Mowbray got us up, he stabilised us, and has us in a good position under awful ownership, the previous 5 managers were garbage, so I’m happy to continue this ride.

Bowyer was NOT garbage! He assembled a promotion side on a shoestring which is more than Mowbray will ever do with millions spent.

 

[Ewood Ace]

7 minutes ago, 47er said:

Bowyer was NOT garbage! He assembled a promotion side on a shoestring which is more than Mowbray will ever do with millions spent.

And he kept us up when he first took charge.

[MarkBRFC]

13 minutes ago, 47er said:

Bowyer was NOT garbage! He assembled a promotion side on a shoestring which is more than Mowbray will ever do with millions spent.

 

I don't recall Bowyer's Rovers ever challenging for a promotion.

[47er]

4 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I don't recall Bowyer's Rovers ever challenging for a promotion.

No he didn't. But he assembled a side capable of promotion with virtually no money!

He wasn't a good enough manager to take that side up. 

And I don't recall a Mowbray side challenging for promotion either despite spending millions and making lots of promises.

[MarkBRFC]

If it didnt get promotion, it's not a promotion side, and that's because of Bowyer. Although you are correct that someone else might have got more out of them.

Agree on Mowbray, he's Bowyer with a budget.

[47er]

24 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

If it didnt get promotion, it's not a promotion side, and that's because of Bowyer. Although you are correct that someone else might have got more out of them.

Agree on Mowbray, he's Bowyer with a budget.

Also, if he hadn't assembled that talent where would we be now financially? Sold off for way more than we paid.

[tomphil]

Interesting debate as to who would have done what with each others squad.

Would GB have done better than TM with this squad ?  No i don't think so but would he have recruited a bit better ?   Probably yes although he'd still have done as he was told if other 'outsiders' were bringing them in with blessing from his bosses. Something i suspect still goes on to a degree.

Would TM have done a bit better with GBs squad of a 40 goal strike force ?  Again i'm not so sure he would but would he have built on it better ?  Unlikely but you never know.

Both done good jobs in certain aspects but both big flaws in others although Bowyer never had the opportunities to kick it on that Mowbray has. Never over till the fat lady sings as they say.

[47er]

27 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

If it didnt get promotion, it's not a promotion side, and that's because of Bowyer. Although you are correct that someone else might have got more out of them.

Agree on Mowbray, he's Bowyer with a budget.

Except he wasted the budget.

[roverandout]

Bowyer is 10 times the muppet manager mowbary will ever be

[Pedro]

8 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

The same as anyone before him,but we are having a decent season where it looks like ,with a bit of luck, we could get ourselves in the mix at the business end. 

Exactly the same points after the same amount of games last season.  Same terrible runs of form and same chopping and changing.  Never in the top six again but in touching distance.  Worse investment than last year but through injury, age or lack of form we've lost the goals and assists of out 3 main goalscorers and creators - Dack, Mulgrew and Graham.

 

It's going to take some serious luck to get us where we need to be.

[Miker]

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

[MarkBRFC]

7 minutes ago, Miker said:

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

Obviously because of that third division season, i accept that you can only beat what is in front if you and it wasn't as easy as a lot make out to get the side going after a poor first couple of months, but i think most can agree that going down was the best thing to happen to Mowbray.

[Pedro]

2 hours ago, Miker said:

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

Again, warped statistics.

In the last forty years, there's only been one manager in the third tier - so he bloody should have a high win %.

Flipside - In the last forty years only Brian Kidd, Steve Kean and Tony Mowbray have relegated Rovers.

 

[Stuart]

2 hours ago, Miker said:

I always find it amazing just how much hate Mowbray gets on here. Especially in the context of the last few years and the utter dross we’ve had for managers.

Fact is that in the last 50 years of Rovers, there have only been 2 managers with a better win % than Mowbray: Kenny Dalglish and Howard Kendall. You would think he would get a bit of a break on here on that basis alone.

 

Take out the league one stats and let’s compare.