Tony Mowbray Discussion

[SoldierMo]

I feel TM will walk end of season...no talk about future windows...and seems to have lost his mojo...he knows the end is near and cannot take us any further..

[Bbrovers2288]

1 hour ago, SoldierMo said:

I feel TM will walk end of season...no talk about future windows...and seems to have lost his mojo...he knows the end is near and cannot take us any further..

Don’t see it, otherwise he would want one last hurrah at promotion whereas he seems to lack urgency which suggests the long game 

[Mattyblue]

13 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Absolutely spot on.

I find it incredible that there are still people about who think he's doing a good job, although I'd say a few I've spoken to recently seem to have changed from being staunch supporters of his to being completely unsure about him so maybe the mood of the fans is shifting somewhat, albeit slowly.

Around Barnsley at home, maybe, but since then I don’t get that impression at all, in fact I can’t remember a manager as staunchly backed in ‘real life’ as this mon.

Possibly Hughes c2007 (remember that?We were top 6 in the PL and gallivanting around Europe and cup semi after cup semi).

[tomphil]

8 hours ago, SoldierMo said:

I feel TM will walk end of season...no talk about future windows...and seems to have lost his mojo...he knows the end is near and cannot take us any further..

Still about 2 years on his contract though. Think he's just clammed up about windows because for the second year in succession they've done nothing in this one.

He knows he's spent up and summer might be a difficult one as well.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

17 hours ago, unleaded said:

In a normal club TM would have been sacked by now with all the backing he’s had !! 
He handed out contracts to deadwood who all turned out not even fit for a bonfire night and who snookered him in the end .....

Venkys are too loyal to him and that’s the problem as he’s hoodwinked the lot of them .... 

Reminds me so much of the Kean time with all his pals in the right places ... 

His style of football is just boring like his personality.... 

I cannot believe anyone would mention Kean in the same breath as TM without being on a wind up. He's got his flaws and he's taken us as far as he can but to compare him to that utter scum bag is ridiculous. You've clearly forgotten how disgusting Kean was and how wrapped up in the dismantling of this club he was along with that orange, tub of lard agent. Those two are top of the list when it comes to blaming people for our current plight whereas TM is just an average manager, that's all. 

Edited February 3, 2020 by CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber

[Pedro]

17 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Don’t see it, otherwise he would want one last hurrah at promotion whereas he seems to lack urgency which suggests the long game 

I don't see it either.  The only time I see urgency is when we are about seven games in to a winless run and are at home. It coincides with the bit of fan unrest.  Not many will agree but I think it is productive to get on the manager's case a little bit from time to time. Apathy helps nobody.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Pedro

[Pedro]

9 hours ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

I cannot believe anyone would mention Kean in the same breath as TM without being on a wind up. He's got his flaws and he's taken us as far as he can but to compare him to that utter scum bag is ridiculous. You've clearly forgotten how disgusting Kean was and how wrapped up in the dismantling of this club he was along with that orange, tub of lard agent. Those two are top of the list when it comes to blaming people for our current plight whereas TM is just an average manager, that's all. 

Mowbray and Bowyer are very similar but Bowyer was much more honest.  He was self-critical, which I don't see as a negative. Kean was just awful. Under-qualified and unlikable.

[DE.]

4 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Mowbray and Bowyer are very similar but Bowyer was much more honest.  He was self-critical, which I don't see as a negative. Kean was just awful. Under-qualified and unlikable.

Agreed, I think Bowyer was far more humble than TM, who seems to have a bit of a Messiah-complex going on at times - saying nobody has any right to question him recently, for example. Bowyer was out of his depth but I never remember him being that condescending. 

There's no comparison between Mowbray and the likes of Kean/Coyle. Totally different scenarios. 

Edited February 3, 2020 by DE.

[Mattyblue]

Careful now... The Screen Grabber is quick on the draw today 

Edited February 3, 2020 by Mattyblue

[OldEwoodBlue]

48 minutes ago, DE. said:

Agreed, I think Bowyer was far more humble than TM, who seems to have a bit of a Messiah-complex going on at times - saying nobody has any right to question him recently, for example. Bowyer was out of his depth but I never remember him being that condescending. 

There's no comparison between Mowbray and the likes of Kean/Coyle. Totally different scenarios. 

Kean, Bowyer, Lambert, Coyle, Mowbray.

Different characters but all share the same agent.... how is that ?

[Waggy76]

5 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Kean, Bowyer, Lambert, Coyle, Mowbray.

Different characters but all share the same agent.... how is that ?

Is that a fact ??

[Exiled in Toronto]

14 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Around Barnsley at home, maybe, but since then I don’t get that impression at all, in fact I can’t remember a manager as staunchly backed in ‘real life’ as this mon.

Possibly Hughes c2007 (remember that?We were top 6 in the PL and gallivanting around Europe and cup semi after cup semi).

Au contraire, I can only ever recall Ewood turning on managers who had us nailed on for relegation: Quigley, Iley, Kidd, Ince, Kean, Coyle. Maybe Saxton as well when we were footling around the bottom 3.
 

Edited February 3, 2020 by Exiled in Toronto

[briansol]

Last 14 matches form table with the worst manager in the league..... 

 

[Mattyblue]

No I don’t mean chants and the like EiT, as you are right Ewood is very patient on that score.

I’m talking general chats with folk at games, around the area etc.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Mattyblue

[Stuart]

10 minutes ago, briansol said:

Last 14 matches form table with the worst manager in the league..... 

 

We can find 13 games last season where we were bottom.

Mowbray goes on winning streaks and losing streaks and we end up midtable. That’s the problem.

[Beanie01289]

On 02/02/2020 at 16:01, unleaded said:

In a normal club TM would have been sacked by now with all the backing he’s had !! 
He handed out contracts to deadwood who all turned out not even fit for a bonfire night and who snookered him in the end .....

Venkys are too loyal to him and that’s the problem as he’s hoodwinked the lot of them .... 

Reminds me so much of the Kean time with all his pals in the right places ... 

His style of football is just boring like his personality.... 

I don't really see that as being true he's taken a club who went down to league 1 got them promoted and never really been involved in the relegation scrap.

That being said he has made some very poor signings at times but tbf hes built a squad that is competitive in the championship. Atm I dont want him sacked.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, Stuart said:

We can find 13 games last season where we were bottom.

Mowbray goes on winning streaks and losing streaks and we end up midtable. That’s the problem.

Just looking at the bottom end eight clubs in that list - how many have we failed to beat ?

[briansol]

On 01/02/2020 at 11:54, Amo said:

I make it 35% at Championship level with us

It's 36.2%. This season it's 40%

[briansol]

23 minutes ago, Stuart said:

We can find 13 games last season where we were bottom.

Mowbray goes on winning streaks and losing streaks and we end up midtable. That’s the problem.

Not gonna disagree with that. Consistency is lacking. There is an improvement from last season in results but we're still on track to finish 8-11 on current point haul. 

Pretty certain that we won't challenge for play-offs, my hope is that we can promote the likes of Rankin-Costello, Davenport etc to build a great core of young players for next season. 

Whether it's Mowbray or not next season, I'm really not that bothered. 

 

[Stuart]

16 minutes ago, briansol said:

Not gonna disagree with that. Consistency is lacking. There is an improvement from last season in results but we're still on track to finish 8-11 on current point haul. 

Pretty certain that we won't challenge for play-offs, my hope is that we can promote the likes of Rankin-Costello, Davenport etc to build a great core of young players for next season. 

Whether it's Mowbray or not next season, I'm really not that bothered. 

Which is a very worrying stage for fans to get to.

[JacknOry]

1 hour ago, briansol said:

Last 14 matches form table with the worst manager in the league..... 

 

Why 13 games? Why is that the chosen number? Because it paints us good? I only care abut last 6....

[47er]

Have a look at  the sides at the bottom of that faux league table? Who did we beat?

[Blueandwhitemike]

8 hours ago, 47er said:

Have a look at  the sides at the bottom of that faux league table? Who did we beat?

Couldn't that be viewed as a positive?  We are still mot far off despite that and it would be easier to fix than the opposite problem.

[47er]

2 hours ago, Blueandwhitemike said:

Couldn't that be viewed as a positive?  We are still mot far off despite that and it would be easier to fix than the opposite problem.

We have played 7 games so far against the current bottom 6. We have only won 9 points!

This is grossly inadequate. If we had any thoughts of promotion then that haplessness against poor sides will put paid to it in the end.

It seems counter-intuitive but maybe we can psyche ourselves up better against tougher opponents?

Its bloody soul-destroying I know that.

Dreading playing Wigan again but so do Leeds I suppose!

 

[Blue blood]

2 hours ago, 47er said:

We have played 7 games so far against the current bottom 6. We have only won 9 points!

This is grossly inadequate. If we had any thoughts of promotion then that haplessness against poor sides will put paid to it in the end.

It seems counter-intuitive but maybe we can psyche ourselves up better against tougher opponents?

Its bloody soul-destroying I know that.

Dreading playing Wigan again but so do Leeds I suppose!

 

Tactically this is TMs biggest weakness - he hugely struggles against defensive teams we should beat who play for the point. It has been the same throughout his tenure. 

I think our run in looks difficult.on paper but in actuality it probably will work out better for us. That and dead rubber games are what suit us more. When the pressure and expectation is therefore we don't seem to do well. May help with a push for playoffs too. With our inconsistent form and hoard of injuries we really aren't anyone's likely bets for a top 6 place.