Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Husky]

2 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Bare in mind he was only in charge for the first 7 games.

Well people do like to pick their few games here and there to say what a good job the current manager is doing (and that is almost always less than a 7 game run)

England would be World and European Champions based on Sam Allardyce's International form. ?

 

Edited February 12, 2020 by Husky

[Husky]

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Been touched on before a few times but last night again the less options this manager has and the more his hand is forced the better it suits us imo.

He has to go with the basics and a bit more horses for courses than some of the stuff early season so he can't over complicate it as much. Last night showed it again, kept it tight and had a go later on and it worked.  Fulham game was fine lines if we'd drawn or pinched the winner instead of them nobody would've been arsed about the overall game because they're a good side.

The fact he can't really make wholesale changes for Charlton feeling he has to give his mates games should work in our favour again.

Speaking of Charlton. Look what happened last night when the Forest manager went all Tinker Man after winning at Leeds. ?

[joey_big_nose]

Food for thought... we have won more games, have more points and a better goal difference after 32 games than any time since we were relegated from Prem.... (nicked off facebook)

 

[Stuart]

7 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Food for thought... we have won more games, have more points and a better goal difference after 32 games than any time since we were relegated from Prem.... (nicked off facebook)

 

Amazingly random stat.

Do we just ignore the other 14 games?

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Amazingly random stat.

Do we just ignore the other 14 games?

Very unnecessary Stuart. 

Of course not. But can judge after 46 games aswell

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Amazingly random stat.

Do we just ignore the other 14 games?

We're far enough into the season for the comparison to be valid I think.

[Stuart]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Very unnecessary Stuart. 

Of course not. But can judge after 46 games aswell

Why unnecessary? Any group of games can be picked and compared. The only “run of games” stat that matters is the table in May.

[Mattyblue]

He’s got very Mary Whitehouse, has our chaddy.

[47er]

55 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

He’s got very Mary Whitehouse, has our chaddy.

It was a "prim and proper" comment from Chaddy alright! Odd!

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Why unnecessary? Any group of games can be picked and compared. The only “run of games” stat that matters is the table in May.

Im sure if the stats were bad for Mowbray you would take a different view on their validity...

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Im sure if the stats were bad for Mowbray you would take a different view on their validity...

Exactly Joey. 

Some people are happy with Mowbray as manager and some arent and some are undecided. 

I happy with Mowbray. Think we are improving as team and progressing even without Dack. Moving Armstrong up front has proved to be good decision. Plus we are bringing through good young players. I'm happy for him to stay as manager next season and for him to excute his recruitment plan. 

[47er]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some people are happy with Mowbray as manager and some arent and some are undecided

And some are inconsistent.

[Stuart]

11 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

Im sure if the stats were bad for Mowbray you would take a different view on their validity...

Yes, I’d have an opinion- like the sacked-at-any-other-club 13 game run last season.

Sadly, 13 game relegation form can completely undermine the 32 games you are pontificating about.

All that matters is where we end up in May. Mowbray has finished poorly in the Championship twice.

[joey_big_nose]

17 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Yes, I’d have an opinion- like the sacked-at-any-other-club 13 game run last season.

Sadly, 13 game relegation form can completely undermine the 32 games you are pontificating about.

All that matters is where we end up in May. Mowbray has finished poorly in the Championship twice.

I'm not pontificating about anything just pointing out the biases we all have.

Mowbray's in a pretty unassailable position at the moment. We need to wait for him to lose a few games l.

[Roverthechimp]

48 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Yes, I’d have an opinion- like the sacked-at-any-other-club 13 game run last season.

Sadly, 13 game relegation form can completely undermine the 32 games you are pontificating about.

All that matters is where we end up in May. Mowbray has finished poorly in the Championship twice.

So if he delivers promotion form during a 13 game streak should we give him the job for life?

32 games during the same period of each season is an amazingly random stat whilst 13 games is indicative that the manager should be sacked ?

"It's logic Jim but not as we know it" ???

[Oldgregg86]

2 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

So if he delivers promotion form during a 13 game streak should we give him the job for life?

Yeah why not. Or at least until he tells Steve he’s had enough 

Mowbray had a dream

[OldEwoodBlue]

When Mowbray tells Steve he's had enough, Steve is going to hold a fair and transparent recruitment and not go back to the same agency.... so he said.

[Inglorious basturk]

16 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

So if he delivers promotion form during a 13 game streak should we give him the job for life?

32 games during the same period of each season is an amazingly random stat whilst 13 games is indicative that the manager should be sacked ?

"It's logic Jim but not as we know it" ???

If he gets us up through the playoffs he can have another season 

[tomphil]

50 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

When Mowbray tells Steve he's had enough, Steve is going to hold a fair and transparent recruitment and not go back to the same agency.... so he said.

He can do whatever he wants but ultimately we know.....

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

When Mowbray tells Steve he's had enough, Steve is going to hold a fair and transparent recruitment and not go back to the same agency.... so he said.

If it is the case that the last 3 managers have come from this HSH agency like you say, then who do they have on their books that's currently out of work? Because if you're correct then there's every chance that that's the "talent" pool we'd we drawing from if we go down the same route for the next manager.

Had a look at HSH on the internet last night. Seems a relatively small 3 man concern set up in 2014 based in Middlesbrough (there's a surprise!) and the guy who is the public face of it Craig Honeyman previously had a senior role at SEM. Seems we are still being advised and/ or drawing "talent" from the same people under a different name. 

One thing that surprised me was that Richie Smallwood was specifically cited in an article about Honeyman as one of HSH's clients. Assuming Mowbray is an HSH client as well then there's a clear conflict of interest there, Mowbray might want shot of Smallwood but HSH with their Smallwood hat on could advise Smallwood to dig in and see out his contract on higher wages than he'd get elsewhere which ultimately could be a factor in getting Mowbray the sack.

The other alternative is that the Club might want Smallwood  off the wage bill but Mowbray isn't as proactive in pursuing this as he should be because they're all from the same stable.

Not healthy at all.

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by RevidgeBlue

[tomphil]

7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If it is the case that the last 3 managers have come from this HSH agency like you say, then who do they have on their books that's currently out of work? Because if you're correct then there's every chance that that's the "talent" pool we'd we drawing from if we go down the same route for the next manager.

Had a look at HSH on the internet last night. Seems a relatively small 3 man concern set up in 2014 based in Middlesbrough (there's a surprise!) and the guy who is the public face of it Craig Honeyman previously had a senior role at SEM. Seems we are still being advised and/ or drawing "talent" from the same people under a different name. 

One thing that surprised me was that Richie Smallwood was specifically cited in an article about Honeyman as one of HSH's clients. Assuming Mowbray is an HSH client as well then there's a clear conflict of interest there, Mowbray might want shot of Smallwood but HSH with their Smallwood hat on could advise Smallwood to dig in and see out his contract on higher wages than he'd get elsewhere which ultimately could be a factor in getting Mowbray the sack.

The other alternative is that the Club might want Smallwood  off the wage bill but Mowbray isn't as proactive in pursuing this as he should be because they're all from the same stable.

Not healthy at all.

 

This has been hinted at for quite some time.

Payoffs are something that has been regular under Venkys ownership. If you were advising that's what you'd be angling for knowing how they operate here.

Smallwood must be on a very nice contract to be happy to sit it out so long. During what are probably his peak years as a footballer.

Not healthy at all these connections but the SEM path keeps getting thrown a bone for some reason.

[Mashed Potatoes]

12 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If it is the case that the last 3 managers have come from this HSH agency like you say, then who do they have on their books that's currently out of work? Because if you're correct then there's every chance that that's the "talent" pool we'd we drawing from if we go down the same route for the next manager.

Had a look at HSH on the internet last night. Seems a relatively small 3 man concern set up in 2014 based in Middlesbrough (there's a surprise!) and the guy who is the public face of it Craig Honeyman previously had a senior role at SEM. Seems we are still being advised and/ or drawing "talent" from the same people under a different name. 

One thing that surprised me was that Richie Smallwood was specifically cited in an article about Honeyman as one of HSH's clients. Assuming Mowbray is an HSH client as well then there's a clear conflict of interest there, Mowbray might want shot of Smallwood but HSH with their Smallwood hat on could advise Smallwood to dig in and see out his contract on higher wages than he'd get elsewhere which ultimately could be a factor in getting Mowbray the sack.

The other alternative is that the Club might want Smallwood  off the wage bill but Mowbray isn't as proactive in pursuing this as he should be because they're all from the same stable.

Not healthy at all.

 

An interesting post as an indication that even the Mowbray Out brigade maybe now realise that the process of appointing a successor will probably not be as straightforward as they assumed. Who is Bruno Ribeiro's agent ?

On a more general note you rightly point out how close involvement of an agency with a club creates a conflict of interest. The Times last week carried an article regarding the situation at Wolves where the manager and 10 of the first team squad have the same Portuguese agent in Mendes - indeed Matt Doherty recently switched his agent to Mendes. The outstanding success that Wolves have had on the pitch in the last three years has helped to quieten concerns but as the article pointed out - what happens if the day dawns when his interests and those of Wolves no longer coincide ?

Edited February 14, 2020 by Mashed Potatoes

[arbitro]

I heard on QUEST today that we have never lost a Tuesday night game under Mowbray at Ewood. So the next night match at Ewood is against Stoke on a Wednesday to pander to the red button whim.

[tomphil]

26 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

An interesting post as an indication that even the Mowbray Out brigade maybe now realise that the process of appointing a successor will probably not be as straightforward as they assumed. Who is Bruno Ribeiro's agent ?

On a more general note you rightly point out how close involvement of an agency with a club creates a conflict of interest. The Times last week carried an article regarding the situation at Wolves where the manager and 10 of the first team squad have the same Portuguese agent in Mendes - indeed Matt Doherty recently switched his agent to Mendes. The outstanding success that Wolves have had on the pitch in the last three has helped to quieten concerns but as the article pointed out - what happens if the day dawns when his interests and those of Wolves no longer coincide ?

Its worked at Wolves in a way it was never going to work here but you can bet that's the idea that was sold.

Can only assume that Mendes and co are far better connected and know a lot more about football than the absolute scum that got a foot in the door here. This kind of thing won't go away though with foreign ownership models and when they see one that works it'll only encourage more,

Why associates of those people still recruit managers etc here is very odd and very very suspicious still. Might not be so bad if they had decent clients on their books but they seem to be the bargain bin mob.

Root cause though is the ownership who seem to get off on this and of course that fella that hides in the middle who also has the old connections. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

5 hours ago, tomphil said:

This has been hinted at for quite some time.

Payoffs are something that has been regular under Venkys ownership. If you were advising that's what you'd be angling for knowing how they operate here.

Smallwood must be on a very nice contract to be happy to sit it out so long. During what are probably his peak years as a footballer.

Not healthy at all these connections but the SEM path keeps getting thrown a bone for some reason.

I am sure the agents get a slice of any payoff, as they do with a signing on fee-maybe even salary.

There are many who believe that there was a period in this nightmare, when agents were actually joint owners. That would mean that a good proportion of apparent losses  went into the pockets of "owners".