Tony Mowbray Discussion

[arbitro]

51 minutes ago, tomphil said:

It's the absolute irony of some of these columnist's that gets me. It's like they think they are exempt from the criticism they constantly throw at other forums and members etc whilst coming out with their own brand of skepticism / theories and gaffer/player bashing on a regular basis. 

What places them on their lofty self appointed perches ?

Absolutely sweet FA.

Some of them are egotistical and can hide behind a keyboard whilst taking some moral high ground. And if an earlier post about him not going is correct the irony of him not contributing anything to the running of the club is clearly lost on him.

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

He’d never had made the anniversary if it was up to you... you wanted him sacked a couple of months ago!

You like digging don't you Matty recently. You like and other posters like posting this rubbish but I'm always explained why I changed my view. At least it gives you something to moan at certain posters at

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

"As supporters we sit behind our radio phone ins and keyboards en masse with an amazing level of misplaced confidence and grand delusions that we could do a better job than the actual professionals." - Is that true? Dont think anyone has said that.

Mikey does have a point tbf. plenty on here disagree with Mowbray. You said we wouldn't stand any chance or challenge for playoffs without Dack whilst I disagree cos we could move Armstrong up front and use his pace and movement more centre plus his finishing attitude. Now we are 8th in the league.  

[Mattyblue]

Hit a nerve, obviously.

You’ve got a brass neck sagely ‘hear hear’-ing an article that talks about keyboard managers not appreciating the job he’s done, building a club over 3 years and wanting him sacked- when that was literally you two months ago!

Edited February 17, 2020 by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You like digging don't you Matty recently. You like and other posters like posting this rubbish but I'm always explained why I changed my view. At least it gives you something to moan at certain posters at

Mikey does have a point tbf. plenty on here disagree with Mowbray. You said we wouldn't stand any chance or challenge for playoffs without Dack whilst I disagree cos we could move Armstrong up front and use his pace and movement more centre plus his finishing attitude. Now we are 8th in the league.  

You can disagree with him without thinking or stating that you could do a better job yourself, something that I have not seen people say.

I still dont think that we will meet our aim of a top 6 finish, and we have not been in yet, but I wouldnt sack him and am happy with him in charge because there are mitigating circumstances and there has been progress made. But that is all irrelevant to the point I was making from that article that suggested that people think they could do a better job themselves. Who has said that?

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Hit a nerve, obviously.

You’ve got a brass neck agreeing with an article that talks about keyboard managers not appreciating the job he’s done and wanting him sacked- when that was literally you two months ago!

sadly not Matty. would take alot more than those comments. Made of thick skin

I've always appreciated the job he did in every season he been here. Back him after we got relegation which I blame Coyle for that. He got us promotion from League 1 even those some posters on here wanted rid of him after 10 games cos we weren't where people thought we should be. Back him last season when he got his contract extension when others didn't. Yes when we were 17th in league this season I felt a change was needed but he turn around results and has us 3 points of playoffs. We are 8th in the league now. 

[Mattyblue]

 

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I've always appreciated the job he did in every season he been here.
 

Yes when we were 17th in league this season I felt a change was needed 

Some appreciation!

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You can disagree with him without thinking or stating that you could do a better job yourself, something that I have not seen people say.

I still dont think that we will meet our aim of a top 6 finish, and we have not been in yet, but I wouldnt sack him and am happy with him in charge because there are mitigating circumstances and there has been progress made. But that is all irrelevant to the point I was making from that article that suggested that people think they could do a better job themselves. Who has said that?

I'm not interested whether we been in or not top 6 so far. As long as we by end of the Luton away game! Sheff Wed were top 6 not long ago. now nowhere near. 

Yes you are very correct that progress is being made through playing less direct and more short passing, movement and flexible. Some good youngsters coming through and the club is in better shape now. 

I've heard people within Ewood Park saying those things Mikey has reported. And Mikey must have seen them on different media sites. But you need to ask Mikey on twitter and let him share them with yourself

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

 

Some appreciation!

Bravo Matty. are we 17th? nope. we are 8th and good chance of making the playoffs? Correct. Team going in the right direction

[Mattyblue]

Well obviously you don’t want him out now! But you didn’t have much loyalty to him and appreciate the job he’s doing just two months ago

Lets hope we don’t go on another bad run, as your pitchfork will be back out!

Fickle.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

Well obviously you don’t want him out now! 

Lets hope we don’t go on another bad run, as your pitchfork will be back out!

Fickle.

Of course there is nothing wrong with changing your stance on the managers future, but be flexible with it. Its not healthy to either defend against all logic or deflect and ignore genuine and valid criticisms. I personally wanted Mowbray out earlier in the season, now I am happy with him in charge, but from both positions I could see both positives and negatives. 

No one has said that they can do a better job as manager either but stuff like that as you pointed out earlier is lapped up and taken as fact. There is an exception or two in terms of people unwilling to give Mowbray any credit no matter what just as there are one or two who refuse to criticise no matter what but they are as I said the exceptions yet the amount of crowing and smugness since we won on Saturday has been totally bizarre.

[47er]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

You like and other posters like posting this rubbish

How is it rubbish if its 100% true?

[DE.]

TM is at his best when his back is against the wall. Given license to overthink he muddies things, but when it has to be simple and lineup choices are limited he tends to produce good results. Our best runs of the season so far have been when injuries have largely necessitated a basic and practical approach. Unfortunate that it has to be this way as there's definitely a decent manager there in Mowbray, he's just prone to clouding his thoughts by trying to be too smart for his own good when given multiple options to pick from.

[47er]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You can disagree with him without thinking or stating that you could do a better job yourself, something that I have not seen people say.

 

Absolutely. We all criticise whatever PM is in power from time to time and sometimes say they're useless and somebody else should take over.

Does that mean any of us want the job or think we are remotely capable of doing it? Course not!

Similarly with football managers which is a way easier job by the way!

 

[jim mk2]

Tony's natural caution will show through at Brentford. He'll be worrying about how good they are and set up his team accordingly. As a result, the mindset of the player is likely to be wrong too - the complete opposite of the positive attitude they showed at Charlton. 

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Well obviously you don’t want him out now! But you didn’t have much loyalty to him and appreciate the job he’s doing just two months ago

Lets hope we don’t go on another bad run, as your pitchfork will be back out!

Fickle.

I suppose you can want the man out and still appreciate all the work he’s done. It would have been with a heavy heart I’d have seen him gone but there’s been twice now where I’ve resigned to the fact we need a change. 
 

One, though, was totally reactionary to our terrible start in League 1 and I dare anyone to say they kept faith with him during that. 
 

Tony has this club in a better place now and, if we didn’t win a game until the end of the season, I’d be in the camp of saying goodbye but I’d also have tremendous appreciation for all he has done for this club. As someone who doesn’t live local anymore our reputation has grown massively since he’s came, to the point where someone actually said to me today “you have turned a corner and look to be on the way back, it’ll be good to see you back in the Prem”. I had to remind him we were some way off ever being close to what we were but it was nice to see that our stock has risen. He spoke more about how we seem to be operating normally and getting the right players in etc etc, it wasn’t just based on our league position. 

[Mattyblue]

All fair points Dreams. But I just can’t be doing with the hypocrisy of certain posters who now laud the man as transformative for the club and act as if they’ve been bought in to the ‘project’, ‘the journey’, ‘the progression’ for 3 years, when they wanted him gone literally weeks ago.

[chaddyrovers]

18 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

All fair points Dreams. But I just can’t be doing with the hypocrisy of certain posters who now laud the man as transformative for the club and act as if they’ve been bought in to the ‘project’, ‘the journey’, ‘the progression’ for 3 years, when they wanted him gone literally weeks ago.

but there is other posters who wanted him out when we were 17th in the league but now have change their mind but you don't single them out tho. 

after 16 games this season we were 18th in the league. Now after 33 games we are 8th in the league. In the last 17 games we have got 32 points and top of the form table with that selected games. Very similar to the time when people wanted Mowbray after 10 games in league 1 before we earned promotion that season. 

 

[47er]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

but there is other posters who wanted him out when we were 17th in the league but now have change their mind but you don't single them out tho. 

You have a long history though Chaddy, people remember. Coyle for one example.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I can’t say that many fans were excited when the ex-manager of ten losses in a row 4th Div Coventry walked through the door, or when we still went down (although to put it at his door after 30 points from 32 games Coyle is extremely harsh).

From that point on however, would many of us have EXPECTED to be higher than we are right now? 

I do understand the “not the man to take us further” point, although sacking someone for what he may or may not do in the future is not a standard many of us would accept if it was applied to us in our own workplaces.

But hey ho, given the owners didn’t sack Kean for raping and pillaging the club, I think there is zero chance they will sack Mowbray for some hypothetical future failure. There is no clock, ticking or otherwise.

Lastly, I don’t know Chaddy, but cannot for the life of me understand the mass obsession with what he thinks, or thought, or both. Strange world.

[Butty]

1 hour ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I can’t say that many fans were excited when the ex-manager of ten losses in a row 4th Div Coventry walked through the door, or when we still went down (although to put it at his door after 30 points from 32 games Coyle is extremely harsh).

From that point on however, would many of us have EXPECTED to be higher than we are right now? 

I do understand the “not the man to take us further” point, although sacking someone for what he may or may not do in the future is not a standard many of us would accept if it was applied to us in our own workplaces.

But hey ho, given the owners didn’t sack Kean for raping and pillaging the club, I think there is zero chance they will sack Mowbray for some hypothetical future failure. There is no clock, ticking or otherwise.

Lastly, I don’t know Chaddy, but cannot for the life of me understand the mass obsession with what he thinks, or thought, or both. Strange world.

BLASPHEMY. How dare you show such disregard towards the man who makes us all log in to this messageboard everyday to see what way he’s thinking today compared to yesterday. Chaddy is the messiah, hence the obsession. I would let Chaddy do things to my girlfriend, I would give Chaddy the last custard cream in the packet, It’s not a strange world, it’s Chaddys world and we are all just living in it. 

[Mattyblue]

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

but there is other posters who wanted him out when we were 17th in the league but now have change their mind but you don't single them out tho. 

after 16 games this season we were 18th in the league. Now after 33 games we are 8th in the league. In the last 17 games we have got 32 points and top of the form table with that selected games. Very similar to the time when people wanted Mowbray after 10 games in league 1 before we earned promotion that season. 

 

As I’ve said, bit of a lack respect from you that 17th, when he’s trying to ‘change the way we play’ as you constantly go on about is a sackable offence! Not much patience and belief in Tony, have you!

I’ve singled you out as you agreed with the article that talked about how daft fans are that wanted him out when he has transformed the club. How we should be able to see the progression. 

It’s fine you’ve changed your mind, but you can’t then pretend you’ve been ‘behind him every season’, and have known he was going to keep improving things, you obviously haven’t if you wanted him sacked earlier this campaign.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Mattyblue

[broadsword]

8 hours ago, 47er said:

You have a long history though Chaddy, people remember. Coyle for one example.

More flip flops than haivanas! ? 

[Leonard Venkhater]

11 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

All fair points Dreams. But I just can’t be doing with the hypocrisy of certain posters who now laud the man as transformative for the club and act as if they’ve been bought in to the ‘project’, ‘the journey’, ‘the progression’ for 3 years, when they wanted him gone literally weeks ago.

The journey/project etc? Still a bit of a paradox.

Sure, several young players are making the transition to the first team...On the other hand, we will require a significant overhaul this very summer.

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

The journey/project etc? Still a bit of a paradox.

Sure, several young players are making the transition to the first team...On the other hand, we will require a significant overhaul this very summer.

Why will we need an overhaul any greater than other Championship clubs ?

[Dreams of 1995]

Just now, Leonard Venkhater said:

The journey/project etc? Still a bit of a paradox.

Sure, several young players are making the transition to the first team...On the other hand, we will require a significant overhaul this very summer.

Will we?

If this current squad is sitting where we are now then the positions I see need filling are: GK, CB and wingers. I wouldn't say that's necessarily a overhaul. I suppose it depends on your definition of overhaul but I'd argue that adding to the squad isn't necessarily overhauling it.

I'd consider an overhaul being what TM did when we dropped to league 1. We saw 19 players arrive between 17 / 18 and similar went the other way.

Last season we had 7 incomings: Downing, Gallagher, Walton, Tosin, Cunningham, Holtby and Johnson with only Raya departing. Would you consider that an overhaul?

I'd say we need about the same, 5 or 6 signings next summer, however we should see more departures with Mulgrew and Smallwood needing shifting. I think 'significant overhaul' is a significant overstatement.

[tomphil]

Probably not unusual for a few clubs and an overhaul is better than a rebuilding job.  However i think as we've seen this season it can hold you back whilst they try and find the right formula and try out players, often in different positions. Tony likes an experiment that's for sure.

Where i feel we / he fall down on this compared to some other clubs is working to a real plan and recruiting for that plan and style of play.

Hopefully this summer will be about building on what we have in a determined fashion to start the season with a core style that's been successful the back end of this season. And suits the players we have and ones brought in to fit that style not all start again mix and match.

We say it every summer but this one really will be a benchmark for the near future because there will have to be an outgoing.  Lets hope it isn't 2 or 3 otherwise midtable mediocrity will be being hailed again this time next season.