Tony Mowbray Discussion

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The academy players obviously are important but their existence doesnt strengthen Mowbrays position. These players and the academy would still be here if Mowbray moved on. Since Travis only Buckley and Rankin Costello have been given first team minutes but not with any conviction. Is making best use out of our academy important? Of course. Does it have any relevance to whether Mowbray should stay or go? Not really.

I didn't mention Mowbray in this point but more to the long term future of the club whoever the manager or head coach over the coming years that bring through our academy players season on season is important to the future of the club. You didn't really answer the questions I pose.  I would expect Rankin Costello and Buckley to become 1st team regulars over the next couple of seasons. Would you agree with that? and the money we are spending on the academy that we keep promote the youth that are good enough for the 1st team squad? Do you get to many under 18's and 23's games or just the 1st team games? 

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

- Gallagher and Brereton are more than "dissappointing" they have massively stunted the potential of this team being a lot further down the line. Once more, Mowbray now seems infactuated with a 433 formation which involves no strikers, playing attacking midfielders as false 9's and strikers as wingers.

Is he playing this 4-3-3 system cos Dack is injured and cos he doesn't think Downing can play in 2 man midfield cos of the way Derby manage to get through our midfielders so easy in that game. 

Did you not see my comments about having Armstrong as number 9 not as a false 9? You ask why I picked Graham in that role and Armstrong wide and I answered that cos of the way Leeds play and that we need a focus point to play off and hold the ball up. 

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Who is going to take on Mulgrews wages, especially in a pandemic driven economic climate? He shouldnt have been given such a long contract. Bennett is not good enough even to be a "squad player" his experience doesnt come into any use when he still constantly gives away foul after foul and he is not a competent option in any position. Again sitting on another year contract. We have no wingers and hes not even considered there. Right back? A liability. Central midfield? Cant pass. Left back? Dont make me laugh. And Johnson is practically immobile, a really poor signing and a high earning one at that. No matter who our manager is, our transfer activity would always be hindered at times like these when weve got these players taking up high wages but not up to it on the pitch.

You said the same thing last summer and Wigan took Mulgrew eventually. Didn't someone on here said he had offers from MLS and Australia in January or February but refuse them. 

We aren't going to agree on Bennett but did you not see me agree with Blueblood point on the role that Bennett should be played on. 

We have no idea on what Johnson's wages are so it is speculation and pointless, 

That's why it is important that we have a proper scouting system and data analysis departments doing the work that gone into the recruitment of signings. Something that under these owners hasn't been in place and it cost us millions. They are gems of signings overseas has Brentford or Forest have shown but there is also gems in league 1 who are capable of playing championship football. I quite like 2 centre defenders in the 1st playoff game today but I dont know what they would cost in terms of fees or wages. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I didn't mention Mowbray in this point but more to the long term future of the club whoever the manager or head coach over the coming years that bring through our academy players season on season is important to the future of the club. You didn't really answer the questions I pose.  I would expect Rankin Costello and Buckley to become 1st team regulars over the next couple of seasons. Would you agree with that? and the money we are spending on the academy that we keep promote the youth that are good enough for the 1st team squad? Do you get to many under 18's and 23's games or just the 1st team games? 

Is he playing this 4-3-3 system cos Dack is injured and cos he doesn't think Downing can play in 2 man midfield cos of the way Derby manage to get through our midfielders so easy in that game. 

Did you not see my comments about having Armstrong as number 9 not as a false 9? You ask why I picked Graham in that role and Armstrong wide and I answered that cos of the way Leeds play and that we need a focus point to play off and hold the ball up. 

You said the same thing last summer and Wigan took Mulgrew eventually. Didn't someone on here said he had offers from MLS and Australia in January or February but refuse them. 

We aren't going to agree on Bennett but did you not see me agree with Blueblood point on the role that Bennett should be played on. 

We have no idea on what Johnson's wages are so it is speculation and pointless, 

That's why it is important that we have a proper scouting system and data analysis departments doing the work that gone into the recruitment of signings. Something that under these owners hasn't been in place and it cost us millions. They are gems of signings overseas has Brentford or Forest have shown but there is also gems in league 1 who are capable of playing championship football. I quite like 2 centre defenders in the 1st playoff game today but I dont know what they would cost in terms of fees or wages. 

I have never been to any reserve/kids games, of course the young players are important but irrelevant to the topic on Mowbray staying or going. Of course we need them to come through, am I sure that those 2 mentioned will? Not yet, no I am not.

The system has been done apparently to try and get us to control games more. That desire is understandable. The way in which he is attempting to do so is massively flawed to everyone but himself and you dont need a totally revolutionised and unique formation (bizarrely started 9 games before the end of the season) to do that. Firstly, the main reason as I have said that it shouldnt have even been considered is that we have 2 top quality number 10s, and one of our main prospects behind that. You dont make a formation that excludes key players. Secondly, this false 9 bollocks is totally flawed. Certainly, his collection of (all but 1) useless strikers are bad enough in their natural position, stick them out wide and they are 10x worse. 

To be fair, you did say that Bell was on 5k so on that point regarding signing what you guessed to be a cheaper player up for another year, surely it is a little hypocritical to then dismiss Johnson's wages as an unknown? Likewise suggesting that Adarabioyo was signed "to play" but that we were correct to imply to Bauer that he would have a fight on his hands to get into the team?

[bazza]

I think this thread has been hijacked by journalists and novelists.

I've never seen so much typing per post, page after page. I can't be arsed reading it.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I didn't mention Mowbray in this point but more to the long term future of the club whoever the manager or head coach over the coming years that bring through our academy players season on season is important to the future of the club. You didn't really answer the questions I pose.  I would expect Rankin Costello and Buckley to become 1st team regulars over the next couple of seasons. Would you agree with that? and the money we are spending on the academy that we keep promote the youth that are good enough for the 1st team squad? Do you get to many under 18's and 23's games or just the 1st team games? 

Is he playing this 4-3-3 system cos Dack is injured and cos he doesn't think Downing can play in 2 man midfield cos of the way Derby manage to get through our midfielders so easy in that game. 

Did you not see my comments about having Armstrong as number 9 not as a false 9? You ask why I picked Graham in that role and Armstrong wide and I answered that cos of the way Leeds play and that we need a focus point to play off and hold the ball up. 

You said the same thing last summer and Wigan took Mulgrew eventually. Didn't someone on here said he had offers from MLS and Australia in January or February but refuse them. 

We aren't going to agree on Bennett but did you not see me agree with Blueblood point on the role that Bennett should be played on. 

We have no idea on what Johnson's wages are so it is speculation and pointless, 

That's why it is important that we have a proper scouting system and data analysis departments doing the work that gone into the recruitment of signings. Something that under these owners hasn't been in place and it cost us millions. They are gems of signings overseas has Brentford or Forest have shown but there is also gems in league 1 who are capable of playing championship football. I quite like 2 centre defenders in the 1st playoff game today but I dont know what they would cost in terms of fees or wages. 

You can't predict how young players will turn out, especially when they've only played a handful of games between them. At one point I thought Tiny Taylor and Johanneson were going to be our centre half pairing for years and look what happened to them. I would suggest that both of those two had more potential than Buckley and Rankin-Costello.

[simongarnerisgod]

word  from my mole at brockhall is that mowbray will definately call it a day after the final game,in his words "i cant get anything out of most of them,i tell them what to do on the training pitch and they do the opposite on match day",mrs m has also stopped making the famed lemon drizzle cake,as tony won`t agree to have an extension on their house,he`s been cutting a disillusioned figure in the last fortnight

[Leonard Venkhater]

39 minutes ago, bazza said:

I think this thread has been hijacked by journalists and novelists.

I've never seen so much typing per post, page after page. I can't be arsed reading it.

Don't then ?

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

At one point I thought Tiny Taylor and Johanneson were going to be our centre half pairing for years and look what happened to them. 

Never good enough. 

[Exiled in Toronto]

On 02/07/2020 at 07:23, JHRover said:

But unavoidable if the owners insist on investing only in attacking players and insist on 'leasing' the defensive positions.

But of course that's just a conspiracy theory. In reality every manager we've had has just not taken the defence seriously.....

Something which does actually point to the conspiracy theory having some merit

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Never good enough. 

I'd have them now in a heartbeat 

[47er]

2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

word  from my mole at brockhall is that mowbray will definately call it a day after the final game,in his words "i cant get anything out of most of them,i tell them what to do on the training pitch and they do the opposite on match day"

So when he tells Gallagher to play in the centre he wanders off to the wing?

[philipl]

In the final analysis, with Mowbray as Manager we have to over come the 20 points a season give away Mowbray's managerial balls ups cost us.

Very little to do with the players.  

Never going up under the burden of that.

[Mashed Potatoes]

12 hours ago, tomphil said:

The last 3 managers all have a Prem promotion on their CVs albeit a decade ago or near enough. There'd be another dour 35-1 shot for sure but there'd be no Phil Brown.

 

So does Phil Brown - with Hull.

[Mattyblue]

I can see it now -

‘Got a promotion under his belt, get behind ‘im  FFS!’

Edited July 4, 2020 by Mattyblue

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

So does Phil Brown - with Hull.

That must be double figures for the amount of times you’ve mentioned Phil Brown in the last 24 hours. Have you got a confession to make?

[davulsukur]

If Mowbray was to leave and we then appointed Phil Brown, i think I'd stop watching football altogether.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

So does Phil Brown - with Hull.

Is he one of the Agency ?

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 hours ago, K-Hod said:

That must be double figures for the amount of times you’ve mentioned Phil Brown in the last 24 hours. Have you got a confession to make?

Trying to remind people of the risks out there.

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'd have them now in a heartbeat 

Werent good enough then and not good enough now

Souness sold Taylor and Hughes sold Johansson

[oldjamfan1]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Werent good enough then and not good enough now

Souness sold Taylor and Hughes sold Johansson

They’re definitely not good enough now, they must both be in their 40s?

[Leonard Venkhater]

11 hours ago, 47er said:

So when he tells Gallagher to play in the centre he wanders off to the wing?

plus "When I tell Walton to catch it, he throws it into the net.."

[Leonard Venkhater]

21 hours ago, arbitro said:

??

It was called Four Dimensions of Greta and was the first 3D film I saw, not bad for the early seventies. It centred around a Brentford footballer who was a bit of a player (with the women that is) and lots of shots were in the ground. The actor made lots of 'big John centre forward' references as well as mentioning other players from the then Brentford team.

We saw it at the Odeon and as a group of adolescents were giggling through it. The O'Mara mention was the highlight ???.

Hahaha...Look what I found. And listen to the chant at the end!

https://youtu.be/k_Voahxehek

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Never good enough. 

Thanks for stating the obvious. Did you think that at the time ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

12 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'd have them now in a heartbeat 

Me too. At least they'd be our players. Zurab would walk into this team as well.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Thanks for stating the obvious. Did you think that at the time ?

Yes. 

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Hahaha...Look what I found. And listen to the chant at the end!

https://youtu.be/k_Voahxehek

Great detective work Mr Poirot ??.

I had forgot that Robin Askwith was in it to add to his 'Confessions of a  ..........' portfolio.