Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Dreams of 1995]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They sold Jansson. Got Ben White on loan who has been as good if not better. 

Sold Clarke but got him back on loan. Plus sign Helder Costa on loan 

Sold Roofe but had Bamford anyway. 

But 2 out those 3 players weren't their best players last season. Still had Klich and Philips in centre midfield. Harrison back on loan. 

Which just means Bielsa picked the right replacements. Or, as any manager should always aim for, improvements. 

[Miller11]

14 minutes ago, Gav said:

Mowbray sold Raya, who was a key player.

You also need to have a look at the money Leeds have spent over the past few seasons, it makes our £9m net look like peanuts.

Udders yes, Warnock yes, but I'll give you another 20 examples of failure.

Bottom line for me is we are a million miles away from the Premiership, the clubs a basket case with small shoots of recovery under Mowbray and Waggot.

I think we need to build on those small shoots.

Mowbray seemingly wasn’t under any pressure to sell Raya. He wanted shut, or at the very least saw him as expendable, we got a pathetic amount for him and failed to bring in a better replacement for whatever reason. 

Before anyone says “but Raya wanted to go” that is absolutely no defence for anyone at the club... If players are seeing Brentford as a step up from Rovers that’s absolutely damning of the entire management setup and ownership.
 

Mowbray isn’t our biggest issue, but I’d replace him with Pearson in a heartbeat. Sadly it’s never happening.

[Ewood Ace]

16 minutes ago, Gav said:

Mowbray sold Raya, who was a key player.

You also need to have a look at the money Leeds have spent over the past few seasons, it makes our £9m net look like peanuts.

Udders yes, Warnock yes, but I'll give you another 20 examples of failure.

Bottom line for me is we are a million miles away from the Premiership, the clubs a basket case with small shoots of recovery under Mowbray and Waggot.

I think we need to build on those small shoots.

The same Raya who Mowbray dropped at the end last season? Mowbray didn't have to sell Raya he chose to sell him.

According to the links below under Bielsa Leeds have a net spend profit of £23.67 Million

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leeds-united/transfers/verein/399/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leeds-united/transfers/verein/399/plus/0?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

[Ewood Ace]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They sold Jansson. Got Ben White on loan who has been as good if not better. 

Sold Clarke but got him back on loan. Plus sign Helder Costa on loan 

Sold Roofe but had Bamford anyway. 

But 2 out those 3 players weren't their best players last season. Still had Klich and Philips in centre midfield. Harrison back on loan. 

I'm aware of what they did in the summer. What point are you trying to make exactly?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Which just means Bielsa picked the right replacements. Or, as any manager should always aim for, improvements. 

1 replacement. Bamford at club already and clarke return to the club

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

I'm aware of what they did in the summer. What point are you trying to make exactly?

Well if you were aware you know they did not lose their 3 best players 

[Adam C]

44 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

 

This season Leeds have gone up having sold 3 of their best players from the previous season and they haven't spent a huge amount of money on players but have brought in a manager who has improved the players that were already at the club.

Leeds spent £55m on players this season. How is that not a huge amount?

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, The Hypnotic said:

Leeds spent £55m on players this season. How is that not a huge amount?

Because its not true.

[Adam C]

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

Because its not true.

My bad that’s market value....

[Gav]

1 minute ago, Ewood Ace said:

The same Raya who Mowbray dropped at the end last season? Mowbray didn't have to sell Raya he chose to sell him.

According to the links below under Bielsa Leeds have a net spend profit of £23.67 Million

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leeds-united/transfers/verein/399/plus/0?saison_id=2018&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leeds-united/transfers/verein/399/plus/0?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

What has profit got to do with anything?

They've spent £25m in the past few seasons alone, that coupled with the correct manager in place means they're this seasons champions.

Mowbray had spent £1.99 during his time here in comparison, its not rocket science EA. 

[Gav]

4 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

Mowbray seemingly wasn’t under any pressure to sell Raya. He wanted shut, or at the very least saw him as expendable, we got a pathetic amount for him and failed to bring in a better replacement for whatever reason. 

Before anyone says “but Raya wanted to go” that is absolutely no defence for anyone at the club... If players are seeing Brentford as a step up from Rovers that’s absolutely damning of the entire management setup and ownership.
 

Mowbray isn’t our biggest issue, but I’d replace him with Pearson in a heartbeat. Sadly it’s never happening.

Raya has every chance of playing Premiership football next season, his value was about right for me, very good keeper Miller.

Brentford are a world away from a modern day Blackburn Rovers and have been for years to be honest, thats just being realistic. 

 

[Amo]

11 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

Before anyone says “but Raya wanted to go” that is absolutely no defence for anyone at the club...

Raya wanted to go because Mowbray was throwing him under the bus.

[Ewood Ace]

6 minutes ago, Gav said:

Brentford are a world away from a modern day Blackburn Rovers and have been for years to be honest, thats just being realistic. 

A world away really? They finished just 4 points ahead of us last season and they sold three of their key players from last season. The difference is that they have looked to go on and progress whereas Mowbray has looked to stay treading water. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Ewood Ace

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, Gav said:

What has profit got to do with anything?

They've spent £25m in the past few seasons alone, that coupled with the correct manager in place means they're this seasons champions.

Under Bielsa they have spent £10.26M in the last 2 seasons. I was highlighting the fact that they were in net profit as it highlights how lucky Mowbray has been he has not had to sell any of his key players. Whereas Leeds had to sell Jansson and Roofe to make sure they complied with FFP.

 

[Miller11]

1 minute ago, Ewood Ace said:

A world away really? They finished just 4 points ahead of us last season and they sold three of their key players from last season. The difference is that they have looked to go on a progress whereas Mowbray has looked to stay treading water. 

Spot on. We are victims of complacency and mass dumbing down. Too many people just happily lap it up.

[Miller11]

9 minutes ago, Gav said:

Raya has every chance of playing Premiership football next season, his value was about right for me, very good keeper Miller.

Brentford are a world away from a modern day Blackburn Rovers and have been for years to be honest, thats just being realistic. 

 

Surely if he’s a very good player he’s worth significantly more than 3 million? We spent 7 million on a bag of shit a few months prior... Brentford got a fantastic deal.

[Gav]

1 minute ago, Ewood Ace said:

A world away really? They finished just 4 points ahead of us last season and they sold three of their key players from last season. The difference is that they have looked to go on and progress whereas Mowbray has looked to stay treading water. 

Look at the players that have come through the place since Judge was on the books, then tell me they're not a world away from us.

 

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

Under Bielsa they have spent £10.26M in the last 2 seasons. I was highlighting the fact that they were in net profit as it highlights how lucky Mowbray has been he has not had to sell any of his key players. Whereas Leeds had to sell Jansson and Roofe to make sure they complied with FFP.

 

They've spent £25m in the last 3 seasons I think, massive money compared to us, but you carry on cherry picking.

We're not Leeds, or Brentford or West Borm, we're Blackburn Rovers owned by ferking idiots and until that changes or money is produced we're going nowhere.

[matt83]

Just now, Miller11 said:

Spot on. We are victims of complacency and mass dumbing down. Too many people just happily lap it up.

My personal favourite is using another clubs failure to somehow justify our own failures as success. Well Bristol city have spent millions and we’re ahead of them long live Tony. 

[Tugay-is-God]

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

Raya has every chance of playing Premiership football next season, his value was about right for me, very good keeper Miller.

Brentford are a world away from a modern day Blackburn Rovers and have been for years to be honest, thats just being realistic. 

 

Really?

You think we can find another keeper of his age, and with his potential, for the same price?

[Gav]

Just now, Miller11 said:

Surely if he’s a very good player he’s worth significantly more than 3 million? We spent 7 million on a bag of shit a few months prior... Brentford got a fantastic deal.

I think £3m was about right Miller, Dracula was more interested in crosses than Raya. 

[Miller11]

1 minute ago, Gav said:

I think £3m was about right Miller, Dracula was more interested in crosses than Raya. 

Friedel never came for crosses... but then again he had defenders who would head a ball in front of him.

Anyway, we will have to agree to disagree on that. I think he was worth a lot more. And his stop gap replacement has been massively inferior.

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Under Bielsa they have spent £10.26M in the last 2 seasons. I was highlighting the fact that they were in net profit as it highlights how lucky Mowbray has been he has not had to sell any of his key players. Whereas Leeds had to sell Jansson and Roofe to make sure they complied with FFP.

 

But kept their best 2 players in Klich and Philips. Is this not right? 

[K-Hod]

39 minutes ago, Gav said:

What has profit got to do with anything?

They've spent £25m in the past few seasons alone, that coupled with the correct manager in place means they're this seasons champions.

Mowbray had spent £1.99 during his time here in comparison, its not rocket science EA. 

Did you miss the signings of Brereton and Gallagher and their costs?

Spoiler alert, they weren’t free....

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But kept their best 2 players in Klich and Philips. Is this not right? 

Klich was on the scrapheap until Bielsa came in. The perfect example of a player that he has transformed into a top Championship player.

[jim mk2]

Just now, OnePhilT said:

When Leicester sacked Pearson, they won the Premie League title the season after, so... I can totally understand their decision.

In all seriousness, Watford were 7 points adrift of safety when Pearson took over, so to have them three points clear (plus a slightly better goal-difference if things go awry) isn't too shabby at all. Watford have always seemed like a basket-case club ever since those owners who play the loan market "internally" took over, although I suppose they are still Premier League stuff. Strange decision with just two games to go and a good chance of safety.

Watford changed manager 4 times in the season they got promoted to Premier League and have regularly swapped managers since, proving you don't need Mowbray-type "stability" to make progress. I don't care about them though. The point is Pearson is back on the market, he's miles better than Mowbray and if we were ambitious we should be approaching him