Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RevidgeBlue]

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that we'll never get promoted from the Championship under Mowbray and probably won't even seriously challenge for the play offs so with that in mind I'd rather give Damien Johnson a chance to see what he can do rather than do nothing and stick with Mowbray who we know won't get us anywhere.

If Johnson fails, so be it, we'd have to get a more experienced man, in but at least we tried something as opposed to doing nothing and resigning ourself to failure season after season. 

[RevidgeBlue]

25 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If Mowbray goes the same people at Rovers will make the ultimate decision as to his successor as went for Coyle.

Been said before but they picked Mowbray who apparently you're happy with so that rather defeats your argument.

[Richard Oakley]

1 hour ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Given how much he babbles on pretty much every day, picking one thing he said 11 years ago and applying your own values against it hardly counts as evidence of anything in my view. But I suspect we can both agree that being owned by Venkys is a very long way from a normal definition of the real world.

It is claimed by a number of posters over a number of years that Mowbray has "honesty, integrity, humility and respect". Do you think Mowbray has these values?

You say that Mowbray babbles everyday. Do you dismiss everything he says as not being evidence of anything?

[Gav]

11 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that we'll never get promoted from the Championship under Mowbray and probably won't even seriously challenge for the play offs so with that in mind I'd rather give Damien Johnson a chance to see what he can do rather than do nothing and stick with Mowbray who we know won't get us anywhere.

If Johnson fails, so be it, we'd have to get a more experienced man, in but at least we tried something as opposed to doing nothing and resigning ourself to failure season after season. 

I don't follow your thinking on this Rev.

Mowbray already has 1 promotion under his belt at Ewood, he won a Championship league title and gained promotion to the Premiership with West Brom, but you want to replace him with a coach who has never bought a player and never managed a football club, he was running the under 14's a few years ago!

Thats just bonkers, with respect.

Mowbray needs to bring in a new keeper, a new defender to replace Tosin, potentially Tosin himslef! and do some tinkering around the edges. If after 10 games we don't look like challenging then yes get rid, but not for Damien Johnson, that would be madness and show that we've learnt nothing from appointing cr@p coaches in the past.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Good point - it was often muted that Coyle was the cheapest option. 

Yes but at the end of the day he wasn't. What did relegation cost us ? Penny wise and pound foolish.

[Bigdoggsteel]

I suppose we just have to hope that the old school approach of giving a manager time works for us. 

If it doesn't , we just have to hope someone , Mowbray included, knows when it's time to end the relationship. I don't think it is as clear cut as this is the time, contrary to many on here. Whilst very, very frustrating at times, he has done just about enough to have another season here. Just about.

 

[Norbert Rassragr]

14 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If Mowbray goes the same people at Rovers will make the ultimate decision as to his successor as went for Coyle.

Changed your bogeyman from Phil Brown then. Oh well, I guess we must stay with Tony and finish 14th every season.

[Gav]

 

10 minutes ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Changed your bogeyman from Phil Brown then. Oh well, I guess we must stay with Tony and finish 14th every season.

We finished 11th this season 

As BDS says above, giving the manager time may just work to our advantage, the sides got more experience in this league, the manager knows we have a number of weak links that aren't capable of pushing on, look to replace them.

Mowbray knows what it takes to get out of this league, we have to hope he can pull it off. 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Gav

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yes but at the end of the day he wasn't. What did relegation cost us ? Penny wise and pound foolish.

This is the epitaph of the entire Venky reign so far.

Pinch pounds with one hand and throw 50 pound notes on the bonfire with the other.

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Changed your bogeyman from Phil Brown then. Oh well, I guess we must stay with Tony and finish 14th every season.

Didn't we finish 11th place this season?. Improve on last season and half the season without Dack. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

23 minutes ago, Gav said:

 

We finished 11th this season 

As BDS says above, giving the manager time may just work to our advantage, the sides got more experience in this league, the manager knows we have a number of weak links that aren't capable of pushing on, look to replace them.

Mowbray knows what it takes to get out of this league, we have to hope he can pull it off. 

Well he knew at one point, does he now? The jury is out. If we don't get into the play offs next season he can't really ask for much more time or support. Especially if we regress. 

Big season for Tony 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Bigdoggsteel

[Exiled in Toronto]

14 hours ago, Richard Oakley said:

It is claimed by a number of posters over a number of years that Mowbray has "honesty, integrity, humility and respect". Do you think Mowbray has these values?

You say that Mowbray babbles everyday. Do you dismiss everything he says as not being evidence of anything?

Pretty much.  He has to fill so many interviews day after day, and he wasn’t selected for his oratory. 

Everything in life is relative. Does he have those qualities relative to the football industry - probably. Relative to Mother Theresa - probably not.

[oldjamfan1]

Just now, Exiled in Toronto said:

Pretty much.  He has to fill so many interviews day after day, and he wasn’t selected for his oratory. 

Everything in life is relative. Does he have those qualities relative to the football industry - probably. Relative to Mother Theresa - probably not.

Spot on John

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Changed your bogeyman from Phil Brown then. Oh well, I guess we must stay with Tony and finish 14th every season.

They haven't chosen Brown - yet.......

[Mattyblue]

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Well he knew at one point, does he now? The jury is out. If we don't get into the play offs next season he can't really ask for much more time or support. Especially if we regress. 

Big season for Tony 

Who won’t he get time or support from, brfcs? Well that ship has already sailed for most on here. The owners? I’ve never seem much pressure from them to really go for promotion.

We finish, say, 8th next season and I don’t expect much clamour for him to go from the fanbase, ‘progression’ after all, I think many on here have failed to grasp just how secure his tenure is with the wider support. As long as we aren’t in a relegation battle he’s safe as houses. Bobbing along in the second division is good enough for the majority these days, I rarely pick up any expectation, or even much ambition for promotion.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Mattyblue

[Exiled_Rover]

12 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Who won’t he get time or support from, brfcs? Well that ship has already sailed for most on here. The owners? I’ve never seem much pressure from them to really go for promotion.

We finish, say, 8th next season and I don’t expect much clamour for him to go from the fanbase, ‘progression’ after all, I think many on here have failed to grasp just how secure his tenure is with the wider support. As long as we aren’t in a relegation battle he’s safe as houses. Bobbing along in the second division is good enough for the majority these days, I rarely pick up any expectation, or even much ambition for promotion.

I think after 10 years of crushing disappointment, most fans have given up.

[Exiled_Rover]

16 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that we'll never get promoted from the Championship under Mowbray and probably won't even seriously challenge for the play offs so with that in mind I'd rather give Damien Johnson a chance to see what he can do rather than do nothing and stick with Mowbray who we know won't get us anywhere.

If Johnson fails, so be it, we'd have to get a more experienced man, in but at least we tried something as opposed to doing nothing and resigning ourself to failure season after season. 

The problem with handing the reigns to someone like Damien Johnson is that the only way we're going to progress as a club is by being shrewd in the transfer market.

Realistically we need half a team of starters for next season, on the cheap - what experience does Damien Johnson have in the transfer market? Zero, I'd wager. 

[Gone to seed]

Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

I think after 10 years of crushing disappointment, most fans have given up.

Yes, the trajectory still feels somewhat downwards, to be fair. At least in the old 3rd Division, when we started our annual battles against promotion, there was something about the club that made me look forward to each new season. Now it is a vague hope that there may be some change that keeps me going, rather than any real belief that something might actually happen...

[Mike E]

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

The problem with handing the reigns to someone like Damien Johnson is that the only way we're going to progress as a club is by being shrewd in the transfer market.

Realistically we need half a team of starters for next season, on the cheap - what experience does Damien Johnson have in the transfer market? Zero, I'd wager. 

Be great to have Gary Bowyer as a second in command imo. Had an eye for a player that fella, just tactically too safe.

Would be a great cautious assistant manager to more maverick tactics favoured by Johnson.

[oldjamfan1]

9 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I think after 10 years of crushing disappointment, most fans have given up.

Just as well they didn't support the club between 1966 and 1975 then.

[tomphil]

50 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Be great to have Gary Bowyer as a second in command imo. Had an eye for a player that fella, just tactically too safe.

Would be a great cautious assistant manager to more maverick tactics favoured by Johnson.

His tactics were a bit rank tbh and he couldn't set up a defense either so i'll pass on that one ta.

I'd put Johnson in right now and have Mowbray mentor him for a season.  By mentor i mean step back into the background and let Johnson take full charge of team selection, training and tactics.  Just be there if needed for advice etc and keep a presence about the place to keep the players in check so they don't take the piss.

He likes slumping back in the dugout on matchdays anyway so that doesn't need to change.

[phili]

Why do we have the clamour for Damien to be appointed? 

How many coaches have gone on to be great managers? If we were looking for a coach to have a go who is an old player, surely Jason Wilcox would be the better bet?

For the next manager, we need a wheeler dealer with experience. Not someone learning the ropes

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

They haven't chosen Brown - yet.......

They pulled Mowbray from the bottom of the very same barrel Coyle was in and Lambert so who knows what's down there. For all we know he might be no worse, no better either but if the dice has to be rolled i'm pretty sure it won't land Brown side up.

I'd wager he'll be into a lower league job before that happens then you'll have to throw up the next biggest nightmare you can find.

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, phili said:

Why do we have the clamour for Damien to be appointed? 

How many coaches have gone on to be great managers? If we were looking for a coach to have a go who is an old player, surely Jason Wilcox would be the better bet?

For the next manager, we need a wheeler dealer with experience. Not someone learning the ropes

Exactly, Johnson is in the perfect place for him and the club right now 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 hours ago, Gav said:

 

We finished 11th this season 

As BDS says above, giving the manager time may just work to our advantage, the sides got more experience in this league, the manager knows we have a number of weak links that aren't capable of pushing on, look to replace them.

Mowbray knows what it takes to get out of this league, we have to hope he can pull it off. 

Well he's done it once so maybe you are right.