Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

6 minutes ago, Mercer said:

You need to change your mentality Chaddy.

I once asked you a question - if you were lying on your death bed and the only person who could save you was a 'Dingle' Consultant Surgeon, what would you do?

I think we know the answer.

All this sh1te about Burnley is a nonsense.  Whether it be Coyle, Cook, Dyche or anyone else with a Burnley connection, if they could move Rovers forward as a club then you would snap their hand off.

Time you showed some intellectual maturity.

 

We'd three ex-Dingles playing in the same team for us back in the day - Blacklaw, Joyce, Connelly. I suppose Chaddy would have been boycotting a team like that.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

4 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I once asked you a question - if you were lying on your death bed and the only person who could save you was a 'Dingle' Consultant Surgeon, what would you do?

I think we know the answer.

I don't think we do. 

[frosty]

Considering Chaddy’s opinion on Coyle swung from week to week depending on results (well, more month to month considering how rarely we got a good result under him), I can’t imagine him not accepting an excellent manager in Dyche if by some miracle he ended up here. 

[simongarnerisgod]

6 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I don't think we do. 

unlikely that any doctors actually come from burnley,they`de have problems playing operation the game let alone the real thing

[Sparks Rover]

38 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

unlikely that any doctors actually come from burnley,they`de have problems playing operation the game let alone the real thing

Its all those fingers 

[Sparks Rover]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Stick by Mowbray. He is right manager for us. 

Groundhog Chad

[broadsword]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Paul Cook? 

I wouldn't want that dingle anywhere near the Blackburn Rovers manager chair. We had one ex dingle in the hotseat we don't need or want another in there, 

Stick by Mowbray. He is right manager for us. 

I'd rather have a dingle than someone with zero professional pride who's only hanging around to bump up his pension

[Mattyblue]

8 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We'd three ex-Dingles playing in the same team for us back in the day - Blacklaw, Joyce, Connelly. I suppose Chaddy would have been boycotting a team like that.

He’d be doing a jig down his street (dodging the Road Sweeper) if we signed Dwight McNeil.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Mattyblue

[martonrover]

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Paul Cook? 

I wouldn't want that dingle anywhere near the Blackburn Rovers manager chair. We had one ex dingle in the hotseat we don't need or want another in there, 

Stick by Mowbray. He is right manager for us. 

The problem with Coyle is that he was a busted flush with a managerial career in a tail spin, not that he was a former Burnley manager.

Mowbray is the right manager to keep us flattering to deceive and bumbling around mid-table until he decides his pension pot will suffice.

Edited October 23, 2020 by martonrover

[Dreams of 1995]

42 minutes ago, martonrover said:

The problem with Coyle is that he was a busted flush with a managerial career in a tail spin, not that he was a former Burnley manager.

Mowbray is the right manager to keep us flattering to deceive and bumbling around mid-table until he decides his pension pot will suffice.

This is such a stupid argument and far too many people use it on here. What does it even mean? Is it some dig because he’s an older bloke or summat? 
 

When you get up to work, get paid and x amount of quid gets shoved aside in pension contributions - what are you doing? You’re working until your pension pot suffices. What you’ve just tried to use as a bit of a dig at Mowbray is what every other working person is doing in life too. 
 

Mowbray has worked in football for over 40 years for fuck sake and there’s posters on here who do nothing but moan about how this is his “last pay day for the pension pot”. Get over yourselves. It’s another job for him, and if he did get sacked or does leave I have no doubt he’ll be back at another club in a matter of time, being paid and...shock horror....building his pension pot. 
 

What an evil sod 

[Oldgregg86]

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I suspect that 95% minimum on here would take Dyche in an instance!

I’d have Eddie Howe to. What’s he up to these days. Do you think I’m being to optimistic thinking we could entice him. If not Nigel Pearson is the man

[Mattyblue]

Dreams is correct.

Apart from newly promoted Ainsworth at Wycombe, Mowbray is the longest serving manager in the league. Venky’s were seen as trigger happy loons by the wider game in 2017 (though not necessarily true as Bowyer got a very fair crack of the whip, these owners are prone to long periods of inertia), so for Mowbray to last so long and seemingly improve the club year on year means he will not be short of offers when he does finally leave.

[JacknOry]

13 hours ago, briansol said:

If you are going to replace Mowbray, why would replace him with someone who has a worse win ratio for Wigan? Both manager got promotion in the same season and spent 2 seasons in the Championship with pretty much the same resources. 

Cook is not even a sideways step, the man is has managed 2 seasons in the Championship as his highest level and both were poor. 

 

 

Same resources? I do not remember them buying players for 5 and 7 million?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

15 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Dreams is correct.

Apart from newly promoted Ainsworth at Wycombe, Mowbray is the longest serving manager in the league. Venky’s were seen as trigger happy loons by the wider game in 2017 (though not necessarily true as Bowyer got a very fair crack of the whip, these owners are prone to long periods of inertia), so for Mowbray to last so long and seemingly improve the club year on year means he will not be short of offers when he does finally leave.

" Seemingly " is the most relevant word in that post.

[Dreams of 1995]

Well, when Mowbray inherited the squad we had the likes of Wes Brown, Gordon Greer, Stokes et al kicking about. We were in the bottom three of the Championship, hardly a saleable asset in the entire Club and on our way down after a decade of waste and struggle.

We now have, on paper, a very competitive squad with 2 decent players for each position and are looking more and more like an attacking football team. Results have been Rovers fashion but Forest aside we have lost to 2 relegated clubs and give them a good game whilst we were at it too.

If you don't think the club has improved since the day he came then I am sorry but you are quite far removed from reality. 

Edited October 23, 2020 by Dreams of 1995

[Mattyblue]

Considering the way the club is still run off the pitch, the improvement on it shouldn’t be sniffed at - and wouldn’t be if club’s were looking for a manager.

[tomphil]

Certainly wouldn't really call him an old bloke in management terms he really should be at his peak now.  He does often cut the figure and come across as someone whose wind has gone from his sails though but again that's just judging a book by its cover.

Anyone itk will say he works extremely hard but i think at times he may have been concentrating too much on the backroom stuff building up the inside of the club. He seems to have a real appetite to be seen as revolutionary in that area but on the pitch it's often looked like play it safe and go through the motions. Look after the squad and put a lot of responsibility onto his seniors and pals and hang others out to dry.

Hence the pension pot jibes, just keep plodding season after season until something either drops in your favour or the owners finally get fed up.

To me he's not the type who'll jack football in if he leaves here no matter how wealthy he'll be.  

[47er]

14 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I suspect that 95% minimum on here would take Dyche in an instance!

God, I’d go down there and carry him to Elwood myself!

A manager who would definitely get us promoted and keep us there and break Burnley hearts as well?

What Rovers fan could not get sweaty over that?

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Oldgregg86 said:

I’d have Eddie Howe to. What’s he up to these days. Do you think I’m being to optimistic thinking we could entice him. If not Nigel Pearson is the man

Doesn't like it up North i don't think but if you're going to do a project on the pitch to get promotion in a 3 year plan he's the type you'd be trying to get.

[martonrover]

2 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

This is such a stupid argument and far too many people use it on here. What does it even mean? Is it some dig because he’s an older bloke or summat? 
 

When you get up to work, get paid and x amount of quid gets shoved aside in pension contributions - what are you doing? You’re working until your pension pot suffices. What you’ve just tried to use as a bit of a dig at Mowbray is what every other working person is doing in life too. 
 

Mowbray has worked in football for over 40 years for fuck sake and there’s posters on here who do nothing but moan about how this is his “last pay day for the pension pot”. Get over yourselves. It’s another job for him, and if he did get sacked or does leave I have no doubt he’ll be back at another club in a matter of time, being paid and...shock horror....building his pension pot. 
 

What an evil sod 

A bit OTT. What I mean is that he's on a cushy number, compared to most other managers in Football. He is under very little pressure.

I certainly don't think he's "evil" and he's not been a failure in that he got us straight back out of League One.

However, all the evidence is that he's now reached his ceiling with us and it's highly unlikely he will take us any further, in spite of being well backed by the owners.

I don't begrudge Tony his pension, but it's time he was topping it up elsewhere if we have any ambition to move forwards.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Well, when Mowbray inherited the squad we had the likes of Wes Brown, Gordon Greer, Stokes et al kicking about. We were in the bottom three of the Championship, hardly a saleable asset in the entire Club and on our way down after a decade of waste and struggle.

We now have, on paper, a very competitive squad with 2 decent players for each position and are looking more and more like an attacking football team. Results have been Rovers fashion but Forest aside we have lost to 2 relegated clubs and give them a good game whilst we were at it too.

If you don't think the club has improved since the day he came then I am sorry but you are quite far removed from reality. 

We have undoubtedly improved since he came, that is obvious.

Of course it is key to factor in the time and resources that he has had and an improvement of the squad is undoubted. The likes of Greer, Brown, Lowe, Guthrie etc had contracts about to expire so he was lucky not to be lumbered with them. The question (which im not necessarily casting an opinion on) is based on the time and resources, is the team as progressed as it should or could be?

I would disagree that we have 2 decent players for every position. You look at the current squad now, the goalkeeping position is one of great uncertainty, we dont know how the new keepers will turn out. Defensively, Lenihan, Williams and Nyambe he inherited, Ayala hopefully will be a big improvement, Douglas temporarily, Bell a poor signing and player. In midfield, there are plenty of players like Johnson, Holtby and Rothwell all of whom have been very inconsistent in a Rovers shirt. Travis came through, Evans was already here, we will see on Trybull, a better set of players than he inherited? Of course. Massively convincing? Not sure. His main 2 brilliant successes are in attack in Amstrong and Dack. Aside from that, and maybe Elliott could be exciting temporarily. Not much substantial beyond that.

And at this stage in Mowbrays tenure, there is nothing to be taken from narrow losses and perception about becoming an attacking team. This far in the team and managers development, its all about results.

[Blue blood]

TM is clearly the best manager we have had under Venkys. The evidence strongly supports this. 

TM also is clearly not good enough to get us promoted. The evidence strongly supports this too. 

That both statements are true generates much of the debate on here.

As does the fact that leaving our inept owners and their pet agency to choose a new manager is riskier than skydiving without a parachute. Were Williams and co here TM would have been long gone for not being good enough. 

As it is we are stuck with the cluckers so TM is here until the cows come home (whatever that means, I think it means a long time which is apt.) So we will continue to drift along midtable, with moments of optimism and fear intermingled with a solid middle of the pack finish. 

[Gone to seed]

A couple of wins in a row, and hovering around the periphery of the play off places will change a lot of peoples' tunes on here very quickly - just the same as any back to back losses bring the moaners and no-nayers to the fore.

The only thing that will change our own peculiar introspective yo-yo perspective on TM and his team will be a sustained and consistent run of results (either way). If we can get something approaching the best from the squad, we should gravitate towards the upper end of the table. I live in hope that something will gel, and that we will be looking back on the dark days with a little more perspective by the time Christmas at Ewood is cancelled.

COYB!

 

[philipl]

19 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

TM is clearly the best manager we have had under Venkys. The evidence strongly supports this. 

TM also is clearly not good enough to get us promoted. The evidence strongly supports this too. 

That both statements are true generates much of the debate on here.

As does the fact that leaving our inept owners and their pet agency to choose a new manager is riskier than skydiving without a parachute. Were Williams and co here TM would have been long gone for not being good enough. 

As it is we are stuck with the cluckers so TM is here until the cows come home (whatever that means, I think it means a long time which is apt.) So we will continue to drift along midtable, with moments of optimism and fear intermingled with a solid middle of the pack finish. 

I am not counting any of our dropped points directly down to Mowbray and am hoping that zero stays throughout the season because if it does, play-offs are pretty certain at a minimum.

Mowbray misjudgements undoubtedly cost us a play-off slot last season and arguably might have done the season before.

[Dreams of 1995]

18 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

TM is clearly the best manager we have had under Venkys. The evidence strongly supports this. 

TM also is clearly not good enough to get us promoted. The evidence strongly supports this too. 

That both statements are true generates much of the debate on here.

As does the fact that leaving our inept owners and their pet agency to choose a new manager is riskier than skydiving without a parachute. Were Williams and co here TM would have been long gone for not being good enough. 

As it is we are stuck with the cluckers so TM is here until the cows come home (whatever that means, I think it means a long time which is apt.) So we will continue to drift along midtable, with moments of optimism and fear intermingled with a solid middle of the pack finish. 

Why does the evidence 'strongly' support this Blue blood? He's had previous promotions.

The fact of the matter is that we had a mid-table squad last season. Our squad this year is improved but chances are we won't be as good as the likes of Watford and Bournemouth because they have had years of Premier League money and all that comes with it. I certainly don't think the evidence suggest he's not good enough to get us promoted - he's had one under his belt with us already! We've only had 2 seasons in this league with him.