Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Can you please explain to me who on the below list gives you faith that Venkys will appoint a better manager than Mowbray?

 

I’ll attempt a response.

We keep being told that Venkys are different now than they were then but as soon as a change in manager is talked about it’s back to “...but Venkys!”.

The very fact they have given Mowbray nearly four years should suggest that they are taking different advice from the stupidity of six managers in three years.

People don’t want to hear it but Paul Lambert and his team were an excellent signing. With no money he brought in key players that we relied on for an awful long time afterwards. He should have been allowed to reinvest the Rhodes money.

We cannot keep having the same debate time and time again every time the realisation hits home that Mowbray can’t take us to the next level that “we won’t get anyone better”.

If Venkys were to replace Mowbray with another Owen Coyle then this current regime is a complete facade anyway. With BCD continuing indefinitely that would be the switching off point for even more fans.

At some point we need to make the change. The worry is that this will happen too late - and of course the next manager will get the blame.

We used to be a club who were perennial play-off chasers not satisfied with midtable and another season. That is what Venkys have done to us - gratitude for mediocrity. They get away with it because fans don’t demand more.

The second division record books show Mowbray as a poor man’s Bobby Saxton. We need a Don Mackay, and a change from a middling team to genuine challengers.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Stuart

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

44 minutes ago, Stuart said:

We keep being told that Venkys are different now than they were then but as soon as a change in manager is talked about it’s back to “...but Venkys!”.

Their MO is 'unemployed and cheap' when choosing a manager. Nothing to suggest that will change next time, and given the pandemic plenty to suggest they'll just do the same again. 

[Stuart]

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Their MO is 'unemployed and cheap' when choosing a manager. Nothing to suggest that will change next time, and given the pandemic plenty to suggest they'll just do the same again. 

I’m not convinced that Lambert, Irvine and Kelly were cheap.

[Mercer]

Think this is Mowbray getting his excuses in already!

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18829099.rovers-boss-left-frustrated-early-season-unavailability/

All teams are in the same boat with injuries and coronavirus - it's par for the course.

Also, it was Mowbray's actions, or inaction more likely, in the window which resulted in either 3 or 4 signings on the last day of the window.  For all the so called planning and different lists, to get to the last day of the window to make what's perceived as crucial signings is a nonsense.  There was nothing to stop him wheeling and dealing in the 'close season', just as countless other Rovers' managers have had to do.  One poster claimed it was Lenihan for whom we turned down a £10million bid - if that's correct, it's worse, IMO, than paying £5million for Gallagher!

Just feckin sick of, IMO, excuse after excuse and trite soundbite after trite soundbite.  IMO, the day Mowbray leaves Ewood (and i will open a bottle of my finest red in celebration) will be a day perhaps when a replacement brings hunger, dynamism, positivity and innovation to the club. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, Stuart said:

I’m not convinced that Lambert, Irvine and Kelly were cheap.

Lambert was unemployed, so cheaper than buying out a contract. 

[Mercer]

Appointing managers on the so called cheap is a nonsense when you were in then for some £130million+ which has now risen to almost £200million+.

Would you allow KwikFit or ATS to service your Bentley or the local school art teacher to restore your newly discovered Rembrandt!?

Pay peanuts and get monkeys.

The three key appointments for any football club, IMO, are the football manager, the chief scout and the CEO.  IMO, our three are 3rd rate.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, Mercer said:

Appointing managers on the so called cheap is a nonsense when you were in then for some £130million+ which has now risen to almost £200million+.

Yep, getting a manager on the cheap and then giving him £12m to spend on two 'wide forwards' is lunacy. Spend £12m on the contract of the best manager available...like Leeds did with Bielsa. 

[Dolly blue]

We are all aware of Joey Barton’s past! As a young player he made many mistakes and many enemies.....and I , in no way condone his actions. 
His name has been mentioned at various times on here, in fact, this morning. ....and usually been met with a mix of derision or disgust

I would just like to add a little to the pot. I have 2 friends, who currently work with him in his back room team at Fleetwood. Both have worked at Burnley, with Dyche, at Bolton , with too many managers to mention and at North End. Both share the same view......he’s the best manager they have worked for! 

Why ???????.......he is totally straight will his players and staff......he sets expectations and standards which must be hit........he has a methodical approach to patterns of play......he lives, eats and sleeps Fleetwood......he’s intelligent and he’s hungry.....and finally, he’s modelled himself on a bloke who he believes to be  the best he’s ever worked with....Dyche.

No doubt there are many good manager qualities missing from this but....take from that what you will. His early days and his Burnley connection will have many on here running from any possible appointment at Ewood ..........

......and then, there’s Tony! 
Just a thought . 

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray will be going at some point. If he isn't sacked he will resign or retire.

Even if we offer him a lifetime contract he won't work forever.

What are we supposed to do? Never even think about appointing anyone else because they might get someone worse?

What happens if another club comes in and approaches Mowbray to go and join them?

" What happens if another club comes in and approaches Mowbray to go and join them " - And then you woke up.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

5 minutes ago, Dolly blue said:

We are all aware of Joey Barton’s past! As a young player he made many mistakes and many enemies.....and I , in no way condone his actions. 
His name has been mentioned at various times on here, in fact, this morning. ....and usually been met with a mix of derision or disgust

I would just like to add a little to the pot. I have 2 friends, who currently work with him in his back room team at Fleetwood. Both have worked at Burnley, with Dyche, at Bolton , with too many managers to mention and at North End. Both share the same view......he’s the best manager they have worked for! 

Why ???????.......he is totally straight will his players and staff......he sets expectations and standards which must be hit........he has a methodical approach to patterns of play......he lives, eats and sleeps Fleetwood......he’s intelligent and he’s hungry.....and finally, he’s modelled himself on a bloke who he believes to be  the best he’s ever worked with....Dyche.

No doubt there are many good manager qualities missing from this but....take from that what you will. His early days and his Burnley connection will have many on here running from any possible appointment at Ewood ..........

......and then, there’s Tony! 
Just a thought . 

 

 

I'd appoint him tomorrow if he'd come.

[47er]

Re Mowbray, are people happy to finish halfway in the Championship forever till Mowbray decides to chuck it in?----because that is where we are and losing more fans every season.

Edited October 29, 2020 by 47er

[jim mk2]

44 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Appointing managers on the so called cheap is a nonsense when you were in then for some £130million+ which has now risen to almost £200million+.

Would you allow KwikFit or ATS to service your Bentley or the local school art teacher to restore your newly discovered Rembrandt!?

Pay peanuts and get monkeys.

The three key appointments for any football club, IMO, are the football manager, the chief scout and the CEO.  IMO, our three are 3rd rate.

I doubt Reading are paying their manager very much.

In the end isn't it all down to luck? Sometimes you hit the jackpot

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, 47er said:

Re Mowbray, are people happy to finish halfway in the Championship forever till Mowbray decides to chuck it in?----because that is where we are and losing more fans every season.

Absolutely not. Are you happy to let Venky's appoint the next Coyle?

[jim mk2]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray will be going at some point. If he isn't sacked he will resign or retire.

 

Unless there is a catastrophic downturn in results, I don't think Mowbray will ever be sacked at Rovers.

I think Tony's a bit like Wenger ..... he's addicted to the drug of football and loves being a manager. He won't walk unless he has to

 

[oldjamfan1]

19 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'd appoint him tomorrow if he'd come.

Me too. He sounds just the ticket actually.

[rigger]

22 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'd appoint him tomorrow if he'd come.

I would love us to become the club everyone hates to play, instead of, oh good it's Blackburn next. 

[Dreams of 1995]

Bloody hell.

People claim Mowbray is not the man to get us out of this league. A statement they claim is 'evidence based'.

Now we have clamour to appoint Joey Barton. Not a single promotion on his record and 1 (2?) good seasons as a manager with one club.

You can't write it.

[Oldgregg86]

Personally I wouldn’t want joey Barton. I think he will be similar to Keane as his attitude and personality are also similar to Roy. Keane did well at Sunderland and then nothing after . It’s easier to command respect from players at Fleetwood and he is doing well but I think his style has a very short shelf life and you only have to listen to graham talking about him and dacky to know it won’t be long before the wheels fell off . I’m not saying joeys way isn’t right but times are so different and players are soft and entitled . He would probably get a new manager bounce but come this time next year he would have swung a punch at waggott, stubbed a cigar in dacks eye and it would all go pear shaped 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Oldgregg86

[Ewood Ace]

30 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Absolutely not. Are you happy to let Venky's appoint the next Coyle?

If the club is going to try and progress then at some point they are going to have to appoint someone else. With Mowbray it will be mid table at best although I suspect a year or 2 more under him and it will be more a fight for survival.

[Stuart]

11 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Personally I wouldn’t want joey Barton. I think he will be similar to Keane as his attitude and personality are also similar to Roy. Keane did well at Sunderland and then nothing after . It’s easier to command respect from players at Fleetwood and he is doing well but I think his style has a very short shelf life and you only have to listen to graham talking about him and dacky to know it won’t be long before the wheels fell off . I’m not saying joeys way isn’t right but times are so different and players are soft and entitled . He would probably get a new manager bounce but come this time next year he would have swung a punch at waggott, stubbed a cigar in dacks eye and it would all go pear shaped 

I was thinking similarly. But more like Paul Ince. An air of professionalism and the aura of an ex top flight player running things goes a long way at a lower level.

Somebody will take a punt on him though. Undecided if I’d want it to be us. Could well see him replacing Dyche at Burnley - especially if they were relegated.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

16 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Bloody hell.

People claim Mowbray is not the man to get us out of this league. A statement they claim is 'evidence based'.

Now we have clamour to appoint Joey Barton. Not a single promotion on his record and 1 (2?) good seasons as a manager with one club.

You can't write it.

Sean Dyche didn't have any promotions when Burnley got him. He hadn't even had a full season in management at Watford I don't think. It's more about doing your homework. If Barton has more chance of getting us promotion than Mowbray then sign him up. How that is quantified is anyone's guess, but how did Burnley know Dyche was worth a gamble. I'm guessing they did their homework on him and spoke to him about his plans for the club. 

[Lancs Rover]

9 hours ago, Dolly blue said:

We are all aware of Joey Barton’s past! As a young player he made many mistakes and many enemies.....and I , in no way condone his actions. 
His name has been mentioned at various times on here, in fact, this morning. ....and usually been met with a mix of derision or disgust

I would just like to add a little to the pot. I have 2 friends, who currently work with him in his back room team at Fleetwood. Both have worked at Burnley, with Dyche, at Bolton , with too many managers to mention and at North End. Both share the same view......he’s the best manager they have worked for! 

Why ???????.......he is totally straight will his players and staff......he sets expectations and standards which must be hit........he has a methodical approach to patterns of play......he lives, eats and sleeps Fleetwood......he’s intelligent and he’s hungry.....and finally, he’s modelled himself on a bloke who he believes to be  the best he’s ever worked with....Dyche.

No doubt there are many good manager qualities missing from this but....take from that what you will. His early days and his Burnley connection will have many on here running from any possible appointment at Ewood ..........

......and then, there’s Tony! 
Just a thought . 

 

 

Events this week back that up.

From what I heard, Bolton have borrowed one of Fleetwood's keepers this season.

Evatt hung the young keeper out to dry after a defeat. Barton went public at Evatt regarding his reaction and man-management.

Barton then phoned the keeper and told him he had his full backing and support.

No specific links but it's 'out there' to be found if you want to search for it.

 

[Norbert Rassragr]

Barton is a c--t, a nobody as a manager and a Roy Keane wannabe. He'll be found out in time as another blow hard out of his depth and will crash and burn. One day the mask of sanity will slip and he'll have stabbed a player on the training ground or punched an opposing manager (again) and go back to prison.

[LDRover]

4 hours ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Pearson!? Again I will point you to the list. What makes you think Venkys, or whichever agent they turn to for advice on the appointment, would go for someone of the calibre of Pearson? Johnson would be far more likely and that's a massive gamble. 

I'm as fed up as anyone with Mowbray, we're not getting promoted with him as manager, but that doesn't mean I can ignore the utter calamity of the last 10 yrs under Venkys.

He means Delroy Pearson, bloke out of 80s band 5 star. I'd say he's a shoo in for the shortlist.

[Stuart]

51 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Sean Dyche didn't have any promotions when Burnley got him. He hadn't even had a full season in management at Watford I don't think. It's more about doing your homework. If Barton has more chance of getting us promotion than Mowbray then sign him up. How that is quantified is anyone's guess, but how did Burnley know Dyche was worth a gamble. I'm guessing they did their homework on him and spoke to him about his plans for the club. 

I’m guessing it was pure good luck. Right place right time.

I imagine he was the stand out candidate during interviews.