Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Rogerb]

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

 

Do you think Tony would go for it ?

Think he already does when he is chasing the game 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 hours ago, tomphil said:

A bit of stealth going on there though perhaps by TM and his best pal.  Removed the man waiting in the wings to a back office job.

Well this time last year Johnno would have been a very popular choice if we needed to appoint a caretaker manager. Now as far as I can see he'd be well out of the running having been tarred with the Mowbray brush.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[islander200]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Apparently Mowbray is under pressure, if we lose to Boro saw someone say he'd lose his job. 

Has anyone with any knowledge heard the same? 

One can hope

I saw the same thing it's just some guy making stuff up on Facebook going off the comments

[tomphil]

8 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Just to lighten the gloom.

I've been re reading " Inverting The Pyramid " which is a book about the history of football tactics.

Why don't we give 2-3-5 another go, it worked great when I was a kid. Goals galore.

Kaminski

Nyambe, Douglas

Holtby, Ayala, Trybull

Dolan, Armstrong, Brererton, Rothwell, Elliot 

Do you think Tony would go for it ?

I think he'd love to play every week if he could get away with it but in Tony's ideal world it would be Bennett for Nyambie, Evans for Trybull and Gallagher certainly for Dolan.  Maybe even Bell for Elliot, got to think of the pecking order and keeping them happy.

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Apparently Mowbray is under pressure, if we lose to Boro saw someone say he'd lose his job. 

Has anyone with any knowledge heard the same? 

One can hope

Aye and Boris will cancel lockdown if Rovers beat Boro !

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, tomphil said:

I think he'd love to play every week if he could get away with it but in Tony's ideal world it would be Bennett for Nyambie, Evans for Trybull and Gallagher certainly for Dolan.  Maybe even Bell for Elliot, got to think of the pecking order and keeping them happy.

It's funny that in my lifetime with some teams it's gone from 2-3-5 to 5-3-2. Has it made football better to watch ? Err, No.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, tomphil said:

Aye and Boris will cancel lockdown if Rovers beat Boro !

Let's hope so, I'm back to looking forward to the International break again. At least Rovers can't ruin your weekend then !

[RevidgeBlue]

57 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I saw the same thing it's just some guy making stuff up on Facebook going off the comments

Hypothetically it would be nice if Swag wasn't Mowbray's boss and he was right though. 

In an ideal world we'd make the change if we didn't get an absolute minimum of four points from the next two home games giving a new man a couple of weeks to bed in during the international break.

If results continue to disappoint and the goals against continue to rain in, I'd say a change has to be made with thirty games to go to give a new man a realistic chance of salvaging the season. That would give him another seven games at the outside.

In reality we know that won't happen but it's what should occur.

 

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Wycombe beat Sheff Wed yesterday, didn't they also come within an ace of getting a draw at Norwich ?

And drew last week with Watford - that unstoppable expensive juggernaut that we had absolutely no right to expect anything against and who got beat by Barnsley yesterday.

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Apparently Mowbray is under pressure, if we lose to Boro saw someone say he'd lose his job. 

Has anyone with any knowledge heard the same? 

One can hope

As the match will get the 'full sky monty', i think there is going to be even more pressure on Mowbray.

If Warnock and M'boro do a real job on Rovers, it just might make the Pune mob sit up and wonder wtf is going on and what if!!!

One can only live in hope.

If we get spanked and Mowbray goes, it will be a good night.  

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, Mercer said:

As the match will get the 'full sky monty', i think there is going to be even more pressure on Mowbray.

If Warnock and M'boro do a real job on Rovers, it just might make the Pune mob sit up and wonder wtf is going on and what if!!!

One can only live in hope.

If we get spanked and Mowbray goes, it will be a good night.  

It was one guy on a Facebook group posting on there. 

Edited November 1, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[RevidgeBlue]

15 minutes ago, Mercer said:

As the match will get the 'full sky monty', i think there is going to be even more pressure on Mowbray.

If Warnock and M'boro do a real job on Rovers, it just might make the Pune mob sit up and wonder wtf is going on and what if!!!

One can only live in hope.

If we get spanked and Mowbray goes, it will be a good night.  

Boro don't seem to be spanking people, I expect them to grind out a scrappy one goal victory, maybe we'll get some strokes of ill fortune in the game which Mowbray will be able latch on to and point at in conjunction with the injury list and on we limp regardless.

You're right though, if we did get a real tubbing it might raise some eyebrows 

Edited November 1, 2020 by RevidgeBlue

[RoversClitheroe]

30 minutes ago, Mercer said:

As the match will get the 'full sky monty', i think there is going to be even more pressure on Mowbray.

If Warnock and M'boro do a real job on Rovers, it just might make the Pune mob sit up and wonder wtf is going on and what if!!!

One can only live in hope.

If we get spanked and Mowbray goes, it will be a good night.  

Agreed.

[Sparks Rover]

47 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It was one guy on a Facebook group posting on there. 

Doesn't normally stop you with your transfer rumours

[Gav]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

 

If we get spanked and Mowbray goes, it will be a good night.  

I managed to square the circle when king rat was in charge, I wanted to lose games to get rid of the c***.

But wanting to lose under Mowbray? A decent guy trying to move a basket case of a club forward? 

Have a word with yourself Mercer.

[RevidgeBlue]

47 minutes ago, Gav said:

I managed to square the circle when king rat was in charge, I wanted to lose games to get rid of the c***.

But wanting to lose under Mowbray? A decent guy trying to move a basket case of a club forward? 

Have a word with yourself Mercer.

What's the alternative then Gav? 

Stick with him indefinitely regardless of results because he's allegedly "a nice guy"?

That's probably subjective anyway. I don't suppose certain players like Mulgrew, Nyambe, Davenport and Chapman would automatically agree.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

I managed to square the circle when king rat was in charge, I wanted to lose games to get rid of the c***.

But wanting to lose under Mowbray? A decent guy trying to move a basket case of a club forward? 

Have a word with yourself Mercer.

It's never got that bad for me either. That's because I'm a bad loser, always have been, you might have detected that. I'd never bet against Rovers either although I knew backing on us to go down when we appointed Coyle was a licence to print money.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

Mowbray? A decent guy trying to move a basket case of a club forward? 

I take issue with you on this point.  If he was serious he would sort the defence out.  He's actually taking advantage of this "basket case" of a club in my opinion.  He should be sacked for not trying hard enough. 

[47er]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

You want a change of manager and if thats the case who would you appoint?

Somebody better than Mowbray. Hoping against hope that the club has the necessary processes are in place.

if not, then what sort of a club are we when we must keep an incompetent manager in place because we have no-one able or willing to find a better one?

[RV Blue]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What's the alternative then Gav? 

Stick with him indefinitely regardless of results because he's allegedly "a nice guy"?

That's probably subjective anyway. I don't suppose certain players like Mulgrew, Nyambe, Davenport and Chapman would automatically agree.

I don’t think a ‘nice guy’ would blame his inability to set up a defence on a young keeper either.

[JHRover]

Personally I'd have sacked Mowbray some time ago. I can understand a reluctance elsewhere to replace him but my only interest is us getting promoted as soon as possible, and if that means being 'unattractive' or unpopular then so be it. Nice guys get nowhere.

I'd have pulled the trigger quite a while ago once i had identified and lined up his replacement, but again can understand the argument for keeping him through last season.

I'd have replaced him at the end of last season when there were a raft of unemployed yet quality managers ready to be getting back to work. Hughton, Warnock, Karanka, McCarthy - just a few obvious obtainable names that roll off the tongue and require very little research or reading up on, You know who they are and what they do and as time has shown with Forest, Middlesbrough and Birmingham all were willing to manage under constraints in the 2nd division, despite baseless suggestions from some that they were all unaffordable or unwilling to work at this level any more. 

To be totally honest I am less eager to make a change right now than I was a couple of months ago. Back in the summer we could have got shut of Mowbray and appointed one of the above, giving them time to bed in and implement their methods and a summer window (and admittedly decent scope in the budget) to address things.

Since then we've allowed another window of opportunity to pass by. Another pre-season gone, another sloppy poor start to a season meaning we are aleady playing catch up, another summer transfer window and precious cash entrusted to Mowbray, and meanwhile the decent managers above are now in work at rivals and are out of our reach. Now even if we did get shut of Mowbray we would have less obvious decent options available to us. Not because nobody decent would come but because they've all been snapped up by rivals. We'd have to take a bigger gamble or really do our homework and unearth less well known quality, neither of which I think the morons running the club are capable of. 

3-4 months ago I'd have been on the phone to McCarthy, Hughton or Warnock and giving them what they needed to get here and down to work. Now I'm short on suggestions that would genuinely make me believe. It would probably have to be a foreign option in the hope they could quickly transition.

None of this is going to happen any time soon of course, but I genuinely believe that unless Mowbray quickly changes his approach we are going to become embroiled in a prolonged spell of looking over our shoulders at the bottom 3 and relegation. We should have enough to avoid that fate but sooner or later the question needs to be asked whether a bottom half or bottom third finish is remotely acceptable and what the solution is to that. 

For 150 years across the world the solution has been to change coaching staff. Here it will be to once again overhaul the squad at great expense and then rinse and repeat.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Personally I'd have sacked Mowbray some time ago. I can understand a reluctance elsewhere to replace him but my only interest is us getting promoted as soon as possible, and if that means being 'unattractive' or unpopular then so be it. Nice guys get nowhere.

I'd have pulled the trigger quite a while ago once i had identified and lined up his replacement, but again can understand the argument for keeping him through last season.

I'd have replaced him at the end of last season when there were a raft of unemployed yet quality managers ready to be getting back to work. Hughton, Warnock, Karanka, McCarthy - just a few obvious obtainable names that roll off the tongue and require very little research or reading up on, You know who they are and what they do and as time has shown with Forest, Middlesbrough and Birmingham all were willing to manage under constraints in the 2nd division, despite baseless suggestions from some that they were all unaffordable or unwilling to work at this level any more. 

To be totally honest I am less eager to make a change right now than I was a couple of months ago. Back in the summer we could have got shut of Mowbray and appointed one of the above, giving them time to bed in and implement their methods and a summer window (and admittedly decent scope in the budget) to address things.

Since then we've allowed another window of opportunity to pass by. Another pre-season gone, another sloppy poor start to a season meaning we are aleady playing catch up, another summer transfer window and precious cash entrusted to Mowbray, and meanwhile the decent managers above are now in work at rivals and are out of our reach. Now even if we did get shut of Mowbray we would have less obvious decent options available to us. Not because nobody decent would come but because they've all been snapped up by rivals. We'd have to take a bigger gamble or really do our homework and unearth less well known quality, neither of which I think the morons running the club are capable of. 

3-4 months ago I'd have been on the phone to McCarthy, Hughton or Warnock and giving them what they needed to get here and down to work. Now I'm short on suggestions that would genuinely make me believe. It would probably have to be a foreign option in the hope they could quickly transition.

None of this is going to happen any time soon of course, but I genuinely believe that unless Mowbray quickly changes his approach we are going to become embroiled in a prolonged spell of looking over our shoulders at the bottom 3 and relegation. We should have enough to avoid that fate but sooner or later the question needs to be asked whether a bottom half or bottom third finish is remotely acceptable and what the solution is to that. 

For 150 years across the world the solution has been to change coaching staff. Here it will be to once again overhaul the squad at great expense and then rinse and repeat.

Should have gone Feb 19 for me, I'm not sure the job market is quite as bleak as you paint, Mccarthy is still available, Pearson and Pulis are also out of work and even though Hughes' stock has dropped somewhat I'm not sure why anyone would advocate sticking with Mowbray over rolling the dice on him.

That's even before the countless hidden gems there must be out there like the bloke Reading unearthed.

[47er]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Should have gone Feb 19 for me, I'm not sure the job market is quite as bleak as you paint, Mccarthy is still available, Pearson and Pulis are also out of work and even though Hughes' stock has dropped somewhat I'm not sure why anyone would advocate sticking with Mowbray over rolling the dice on him.

That's even before the countless hidden gems there must be out there like the bloke Reading unearthed.

Should have got Hughton---he was available.

[JHRover]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Should have gone Feb 19 for me, I'm not sure the job market is quite as bleak as you paint, Mccarthy is still available, Pearson and Pulis are also out of work and even though Hughes' stock has dropped somewhat I'm not sure why anyone would advocate sticking with Mowbray over rolling the dice on him.

That's even before the countless hidden gems there must be out there like the bloke Reading unearthed.

Yeah, i just think the names I suggested were the obvious sensible options that would have given us a real chance this season. The others I'm not so sure. Pulis would be acceptable as a means to escape relegation and then maybe see what he can do but I worry that his ethos is so far away from Mowbray's that it would take a long time and a lot of work to whip this lot into the fit and organised structure Pulis would demand.

I also think that he and Pearson would be unwilling to put up with the rubbish from India.

McCarthy is apparently joining APOEL Nicosia - surprise move but a big opportunity missed for clubs at our level.

The hidden gems like Reading and Barnsley have unearthed really require a lot of homework and planning. We simply don't have that here. Waggott is too busy deciding what hours to open the club shop for and how to milk another £10 or £20 out of supporters

The search for our last 3 managers appears to have been done by someone going on an internet search engine and typing in "unemployed and won promotion to the Premier League within the last decade" then picking one. 

I suppose it is better than just handing it to the bibs and cones man or someone's mate.

[Oldgregg86]

Pearson would get the job done

mccarthy would be a massive upgrade as would hughes

if the owners were serious about promotion all of these would have already had a phone call before the game on Tuesday 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Oldgregg86