Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

The hidden gems like Reading and Barnsley have unearthed really require a lot of homework and planning. We simply don't have that here. Waggott is too busy deciding what hours to open the club shop for and how to milk another £10 or £20 out of supporters

Do you really think so, there's a couple of really good European commentators on Talksport  Mark Langdon and Andy Brassell (sp) who could probably point you in the direction of the best up and coming European talent in 10 mins, ditto Tim Vickery in South America. Even if it wasn't those particular guys there must be reputable people about in the game who could point you in the right direction. I also reckon you or I could put a decent shortlist together in a couple of days from home and abroad if we had a few days spare to research it on the Internet, but it's not our job. 

[davulsukur]

12 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Should have gone Feb 19 for me, I'm not sure the job market is quite as bleak as you paint, Mccarthy is still available, Pearson and Pulis are also out of work and even though Hughes' stock has dropped somewhat I'm not sure why anyone would advocate sticking with Mowbray over rolling the dice on him.

That's even before the countless hidden gems there must be out there like the bloke Reading unearthed.

You can scratch McCarty off the list.

'McCarthy takes shock role at Cypriot side APOEL'

http://www.skysports.com/share/12121707

 

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

You can scratch McCarty off the list.

'McCarthy takes shock role at Cypriot side APOEL'

http://www.skysports.com/share/12121707

 

Yes, that was in the offing.

Must not have had many decent offers in this Country.

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Yes, that was in the offing.

Must not have had many decent offers in this Country.

McCarthy falls into a category of old school manager with proven track record who doesnt entertain the idea of passing it along the backline, thus his popularity has waned with teams more interested in winning the possession battle than the match it seems.

[arbitro]

53 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

McCarthy falls into a category of old school manager with proven track record who doesnt entertain the idea of passing it along the backline, thus his popularity has waned with teams more interested in winning the possession battle than the match it seems.

Exactly this. The football snobs who think risky passes in an around your own penalty area is great consider managers of his ilk dinosaurs. 

The statistic driven generation.

[Gone to seed]

Hughes in a heartbeat for me. We have the nucleus of a good squad here. Hughes sides are always fit, I don't remember them being as injury prone as our lot have been these past 8 years or so. He knows how to get a tune out of players with potential.

Yup. Get on the blower to Sparky Marky, and let's get on with the business of getting up the league.

[davulsukur]

I've got a lot of time for Sparky after his time here but are now going back 16 years (Christ) to when he first joined us.

I'd still have him back but with a slight fear that he might tarnish his rep he has with Rovers should he fail.

 

[JHRover]

I'm not sure on Hughes. First off I don't see him as the type desperate to return to management to the extent he'd embrace a Championship job with aggravation and restrictions to it. I think he'd prefer to enjoy life and only take a job if it ticks every box e.g. in the Championship but with a big budget and a proper ownership and management structure. I don't think his time at Rovers stirs up sentimentality that it would lure him back here unless we had a proper setup and offered him big bucks to come and do it exactly how he wanted. Even then I don't think he'd fancy a Championship job after 15 years in the Premier League.

If he was willing to manage at this level i'd want him to reunite with his old team Bowen and Neidszwicki. Bowen still working at Reading I think.

I'm really not sure any more. Missed a trick with McCarthy off to Cyprus and Hughton in at struggling Forest. I'm sure both would have sniffed a good opportunity here with a promising and talented squad that needs shoring up and organising.

 

 

[RoversClitheroe]

Anyone who counters Mowbray out with "who would you replace him with".

How small minded must you be. 

Look at clubs that hire unknowns with some success abroad - Graham Potter.

Reading hiring some unknown with a good rep abroad, that team is nowhere near better than ours. We just have a shit manager. 

[Sparks Rover]

22 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Anyone who counters Mowbray out with "who would you replace him with".

How small minded must you be. 

Look at clubs that hire unknowns with some success abroad - Graham Potter.

Reading hiring some unknown with a good rep abroad, that team is nowhere near better than ours. We just have a shit manager. 

Not to mention Hassenhuttl....there's loads of good managers.  We are stuck with this dick though 

[Mashed Potatoes]

22 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Anyone who counters Mowbray out with "who would you replace him with".

How small minded must you be. 

Look at clubs that hire unknowns with some success abroad - Graham Potter.

Reading hiring some unknown with a good rep abroad, that team is nowhere near better than ours. We just have a shit manager. 

I think if you bother to look back on past posts the riposte to "Mowbray Out" is to point out that it is Venkys making the appointment - not this board - and their record does not inspire confidence that they will appoint a superior manager - but more likely an inferior one.

[Leonard Venkhater]

10 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I think if you bother to look back on past posts the riposte to "Mowbray Out" is to point out that it is Venkys making the appointment - not this board - and their record does not inspire confidence that they will appoint a superior manager - but more likely an inferior one.

Essay question 25 marks

“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.” Samuel Beckett

Review the CV's and contributions to Blackburn Rovers of the following:

Steve Kean, Eric Black, Michael Appleton, Henning Berg, Gary Bowyer, Paul Lambert Owen Coyle and Tony Mowbray.

Estimate the success/failure of the club's manager recruitment strategy since 2011.

What evidence can you present that the same recruiters will secure a successful manager in the future?

[Mattyblue]

Because we now have ‘optimum owners’?

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Anyone who counters Mowbray out with "who would you replace him with".

How small minded must you be. 

Look at clubs that hire unknowns with some success abroad - Graham Potter.

Reading hiring some unknown with a good rep abroad, that team is nowhere near better than ours. We just have a shit manager. 

It's concerning because it's Venkys and HSH and friends in charge but to say there is nobody or we/they couldn't get anybody is outright nonsense.

The main issue now though is with all his mates around him he has the inside of the club pretty watertight.  That will take a lot of replacing or the right person who'll they'll back to worth with. 

That's why clubs need a structure that can absorb change and we've never had it under this lot but we had it before.

Edited November 2, 2020 by tomphil

[Leonard Venkhater]

2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

It's concerning because it's Venkys and HSH and friends in charge but to say there is nobody or we/they couldn't get anybody is outright nonsense.

The main issue now though is with all his mates around him he has the inside of the club pretty watertight.  That will take a lot of replacing or the right person who'll they'll back to worth with. 

That's why clubs need a structure that can absorb change and we've never had it under this lot but we had it before.

It's almost as if you think Rovers will never progress with these owners lol

[tomphil]

4 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

It's almost as if you think Rovers will never progress with these owners lol

I don't think, i know ?

The only chance they'll ever have is to up the ante and recruit quality directors and manager with a promotion remit.

Their money alone won't work surely they've twigged that by now, neither will just praying and hoping.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

I'm in a town called apathy and Tony is the mayor 

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Anyone who counters Mowbray out with "who would you replace him with".

How small minded must you be. 

Look at clubs that hire unknowns with some success abroad - Graham Potter.

Reading hiring some unknown with a good rep abroad, that team is nowhere near better than ours. We just have a shit manager. 

The problem with having that mentality is that Mowbray wont be here for ever and it is essentially accepting that we arent progressing too.

I certainly agree with your statement that is is small time to have such a stance although I dont think Potter is the best example, he did an unremarkable job at Swansea (which Cooper did better than) and he hasnt improved Brighton on Hughtons time there. Fools people thinking they play out from the back.

As you say Reading have managed to think outside the box even though I would not necessarily agree that their side is "nowhere near better than ours." They have some very good players throughout their team, Rafael Cabral is a keeper as good as most in the league, Moore and Morrison are very accomplished CBs at this level, their full backs are young and talented, Ejaria and when fit Swift are very talented, Olise is a real wonderkid and Meite heads a very decent stable of attackers. Im not convinced that our squad is better.

[Leonard Venkhater]

28 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

I'm in a town called apathy and Tony is the mayor 

Though everythin' is broken, there are happy clappers there

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, JHRover said:

If he was willing to manage at this level i'd want him to reunite with his old team Bowen and Neidszwicki. Bowen still working at Reading I think.

Bowen left Reading after rejecting the return to Sporting Director. Eddie Neidzwicki is still at Reading. 

Does Bowen want to be head coach himself and not a number 2 again?

3 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Anyone who counters Mowbray out with "who would you replace him with".

How small minded must you be. 

Look at clubs that hire unknowns with some success abroad - Graham Potter.

Reading hiring some unknown with a good rep abroad, that team is nowhere near better than ours. We just have a shit manager. 

Some people asked Posters who they would go for if Mowbray was replace like I did with Ewood Ace. He answered it. I apprenticed he named his the 3 man shortlist

Reading hired their current coach cos of agents who are involved with the their owners there. Same as Wolves with Nuno, 

 

[tomphil]

Same as here with the agents except the ones here have a scrapheap client list.

They seem to specialize in recent failures rather than up and comers.

Another reason we won't have the success others seem to have despite heavy agent involvement.

Edited November 2, 2020 by tomphil

[roversfan99]

We have lost the 27th most matches in the league in 2020 from 30 teams that have been involved. Dismal.

[G Somerset Rover]

One win in seven and counting.

[RoversClitheroe]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

We have lost the 27th most matches in the league in 2020 from 30 teams that have been involved. Dismal.

How has Mowbray still got the job?! 

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

One win in seven and counting.

Who is counting? Certainly no one at the club or in a position of power. If he managed 12 or 13 without a win a year or two back without censure, not sure 1 in 7 will bother them.