Tony Mowbray Discussion

[unleaded]

If he can’t see Lenihan is a crap defender after 3/4 years and brings him straight back in after the player got sent off and costing us a spot kick no wonder we are in this mess...

He would be on my sub bench .. his list of howlers over the years is a mile long ...
 

Mowbray is living off his West Brom days .... Terrible Manager with an average back rooom coaches ...

[Bigdoggsteel]

23 minutes ago, unleaded said:

If he can’t see Lenihan is a crap defender after 3/4 years and brings him straight back in after the player got sent off and costing us a spot kick no wonder we are in this mess...

He would be on my sub bench .. his list of howlers over the years is a mile long ...
 

Mowbray is living off his West Brom days .... Terrible Manager with an average back rooom coaches ...

It's not that simple. Lenihan won 9 aerial duels against Millwall and was generally really good. 

It's funny who defenders mistakes are very clearly labeled mistakes, but our forwards missing chances or making the wrong passes rarely are, unless it's extreme like Armstrong's ridiculous attempts to take shots on from everywhere. 

In these tight games, we need to take chances. We can't rely on the defence to keep everything out and then just look to blame them when we lose. We are an attacking side,so the defence don't always get the cover they need. People shouldn't forget that. 

[Ossydave]

36 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Not exactly Tony Mowbray related,but does anyone else think our players are on social media sharing shite too much after defeats? 

So many of them do it. It annoys me to be honest. Young Elliott is flat out on it. Not singling him out ,but as an example, if we lose, should he share his goal numerous times on his Instagram story? I know he's an extreme example, but would Roy Keane share a goal he scored if the team lost? Like sometimes they literally share from the changing room after the game. I dunno, I just think they should be focusing on other things after losing 

He's 17 years old, of course he's going to be buzzing his little head off scoring a peach of a goal against the league leaders, I don't see any issue whatsoever. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 minute ago, Ossydave said:

He's 17 years old, of course he's going to be buzzing his little head off scoring a peach of a goal against the league leaders, I don't see any issue whatsoever. 

They are all at it though. 

Also,to be fair, anyone who follows him on Instagram will probably see the goal in some capacity anyway. He has shared it almost 10 times on his story since yesterday. I just wonder are players happier them scoring , or us winning 

He is young though, so I'm not singling him out, more that it's the most recent example. 

Anyway, I think they should be banned from the dressing room, at a minimum. 

[Ewood Ace]

8 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

It's funny who defenders mistakes are very clearly labeled mistakes, but our forwards missing chances or making the wrong passes rarely are, unless it's extreme like Armstrong's ridiculous attempts to take shots on from everywhere. 

Yes because the like of Brereton and Gallagher have never received any criticism for their scoring records, have they.

[tomphil]

37 minutes ago, unleaded said:

If he can’t see Lenihan is a crap defender after 3/4 years and brings him straight back in after the player got sent off and costing us a spot kick no wonder we are in this mess...

He would be on my sub bench .. his list of howlers over the years is a mile long ...
 

Mowbray is living off his West Brom days .... Terrible Manager with an average back rooom coaches ...

Glad you've highlighted that as that make do attitude is what hes ingrained into half the fanbase. Therefore it's accepted, it's a given, yet if they'd got in another type of manager at some point it's likely that Lenihen, Williams and Bell would either be history or where they should be as 3 rd choice back ups to a better set of defenders.

We need more than players who are 'ok' we need better than 'ok' if we are to get anywhere.

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Yes because the like of Brereton and Gallagher have never received any criticism for their scoring records, have they.

More related to their fees I would say 

[darrenrover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I dont see any of above names coming here. Some of very unrealistic like Pochettino, Allegri, Sarri, Valverde, Jardim arent ever coming here in a month of Sundays 

Silva wont drop to Championship. 

Pearson had chance to here before and didnt come. 

Some others down to the wages we paid for managers. 

Reading's owners are very close to agent who got their current manager in. 

Look at how much Leeds paid to attract Bielsa? Wasnt around 6 million pounds? Do you Rovers doing this realistic? 

You must be extremely well connected chaddy to know so much about everyone and everything.

If one just assumes everything without even checking, without ever sticking one's toe in the water and being brave, then one will achieve very little.

Give the theory a whirl one day, when you automatically assume a negative, you never know it could just turn to be a positive, an absolute master stroke!

[speeeeeeedie]

Tyrone's post is a good one. Mowbray is a symptom, not the cause.

I think he is a competent unspectacular manager, yet he doesn't seem to have the spark to get Rovers to push on. 

Nobody on here knows what his marching orders are though. He may have told Venkys that it will take 5+ years to get everything ready to get promoted and they are happy to sign off on it.

[darrenrover]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Not exactly Tony Mowbray related,but does anyone else think our players are on social media sharing shite too much after defeats? 

So many of them do it. It annoys me to be honest. Young Elliott is flat out on it. Not singling him out ,but as an example, if we lose, should he share his goal numerous times on his Instagram story? I know he's an extreme example, but would Roy Keane share a goal he scored if the team lost? Like sometimes they literally share from the changing room after the game. I dunno, I just think they should be focusing on other things after losing 

Lad's 17 BigDog, he was thrilled to bits last Christmas with his train set and Buzz Lightyear too, give him a break.

I agree with your general comment though.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

You must be extremely well connected chaddy to know so much about everyone and everything.

If one just assumes everything without even checking, without ever sticking one's toe in the water and being brave, then one will achieve very little.

Give the theory a whirl one day, when you automatically assume a negative, you never know it could just turn to be a positive, an absolute master stroke!

What Leeds paid Bielsa was in media. 

Reading owners connections to an agent are in public domain. 

Rovers interested in Pearson post Bowyer was reported in the media at the time. 

Do you really think Rovers could attract Pochettino or Allergi here? 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Pocettino or Allegri? 

That escalated quickly 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Not exactly Tony Mowbray related,but does anyone else think our players are on social media sharing shite too much after defeats? 

So many of them do it. It annoys me to be honest. Young Elliott is flat out on it. Not singling him out ,but as an example, if we lose, should he share his goal numerous times on his Instagram story? I know he's an extreme example, but would Roy Keane share a goal he scored if the team lost? Like sometimes they literally share from the changing room after the game. I dunno, I just think they should be focusing on other things after losing 

Roy Keane would be lying down in a darkened room after a bad loss.  I remember Roy Keane playing like two men in that Champions League semi final when he already knew he was suspended from the final. That was the measure of the bloke. He didn't just give 100% that night he gave 150%.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

You must be extremely well connected chaddy to know so much about everyone and everything.

If one just assumes everything without even checking, without ever sticking one's toe in the water and being brave, then one will achieve very little.

Give the theory a whirl one day, when you automatically assume a negative, you never know it could just turn to be a positive, an absolute master stroke!

When you get to the point were you can't pay the bills even " unattractive " jobs have their pluses. If you wait around for too long in football management you can get left behind and out of the loop. Mark Hughes is in danger of falling into that bracket. We don't know who would fancy the job until it becomes vacant. There's a lot to like about managing Rovers at the moment. Expectations are very low for a start.

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Roy Keane would be lying down in a darkened room after a bad loss.  I remember Roy Keane playing like two men in that Champions League semi final when he already knew he was suspended from the final. That was the measure of the bloke. He didn't just give 100% that night he gave 150%.

He probably would be locked in there cos everybody would be scared to meet him 🤣

Ya, that was amazing. Many would have dropped the head and sulked,but he actually upped his game. 

He had a similar performance when Ireland bet the Netherlands to reach the 2002 world cup. He clattered Overmars immediately from kick off. The 2002 world cup all went very smoothly after that 🤣🤣 Again though, it was his standards that led to that fall out. One of the most debated sagas in Irish history. I have seen lads almost come to blows over that debate. I am sure some actually have. I just wish he f**king stayed. 

I would actually love to see him roll up here for a few months til the end of the season. Probably wouldn't work long term, but I think he could get a big reaction from these players. Imagine the midfielders knowing they are playing for him. Be no cutting corners anyway, that's for sure. 

[simongarnerisgod]

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

When you get to the point were you can't pay the bills even " unattractive " jobs have their pluses. If you wait around for too long in football management you can get left behind and out of the loop. Mark Hughes is in danger of falling into that bracket. We don't know who would fancy the job until it becomes vacant. There's a lot to like about managing Rovers at the moment. Expectations are very low for a start.

there is`nt that much wrong that a decent manager could`nt put right,thats the attraction for sure

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

6 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

He probably would be locked in there cos everybody would be scared to meet him 🤣

Ya, that was amazing. Many would have dropped the head and sulked,but he actually upped his game. 

He had a similar performance when Ireland bet the Netherlands to reach the 2002 world cup. He clattered Overmars immediately from kick off. The 2002 world cup all went very smoothly after that 🤣🤣 Again though, it was his standards that led to that fall out. One of the most debated sagas in Irish history. I have seen lads almost come to blows over that debate. I am sure some actually have. I just wish he f**king stayed. 

I would actually love to see him roll up here for a few months til the end of the season. Probably wouldn't work long term, but I think he could get a big reaction from these players. Imagine the midfielders knowing they are playing for him. Be no cutting corners anyway, that's for sure. 

Yes, what a bollock that was - Rovers not signing him. It was almost unfair when he was in his prime, it was like 12 playing  against 11.

[darrenrover]

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Do you really think Rovers could attract Pochettino or Allergi here? 

Probably not but who knows? Pick the phone up and beg the question, any decent CEO worth his/her salt would. If they say no, just cross them off the list and move on. During the conversation, they may say no but leave inklings in the conversation that lead you to believe that they possibly could be persuaded. You then work on it until you're enquiry has completely run out of steam and reluctantly accept that you have tried but been unsuccessful.

Remember Jack Walker? (rhetorical question) He had that type of attitude and approach and was extremely successful as you know (pfft, Kenny Dalglish, no chance!)

We either accept the current approach, general malaise, mediocrity and general, all round averageness, nonsense spouted through the media or we strive to improve and get better. It may be ok for you but it's not for me and countless other Rovers' fans either. If in your opinion, you're happy with how things are going, then fine your entitled to your view. 

I think Mowbray has done a decent job, he has, attracted some decent players but he's treading water now, as is the club. As I've said previously it's time to thank him for his efforts, wish him well and appoint someone else who IS CAPABLE of getting a more productive tune consistently, out of the squad of players that we have.

I know I'm far from alone in thinking this way.

Edited December 13, 2020 by darrenrover

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, darrenrover said:

I bet Dirty Leeds' fans all thought Marcello Bielsa? nah, we've no chance of attracting him to Elland Road, you're having a laugh!

Somebody had the foresight to ignore the nay sayers, demonstrate true leadership and the rest is history. You have to try, we were PL Champions of England 25 years ago, steeped in history and success, we're an attractive proposition still IMO. I highlighted a few posts above, a list of brilliant potential managerial candidates that would cost zilch in terms of compensation. You only have to pick the phone up and ask the question and if the answer is no, then we've lost nothing.

We have the 'chicken chokers' (as Tyrone says, it makes me laugh every time I see it) holding the purse strings and our under-achieving gaffer's mate as CEO. That's the real problem and until we have a board with a much bigger level of independent empowerment, I fear not much is going to change for the better.

 

It comes from a pal who was a Darlington fan. Their deadly rivals are Hartlepools who are known as the " Monkey Hangers "  in Darlo because allegedly they hung a monkey back in the day thinking it was a French spy. My pal called them " The Chimp Chokers ", so I just borrowed it.

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yes, what a bollock that was - Rovers not signing him. It was almost unfair when he was in his prime, it was like 12 playing  against 11.

Was so close to happening too. How different things would have been 

2002 still gets me. Should have bet Spain and would have had South Korea in the quarter final then. I'm sure Park ji-sun would have instilled serious fear in the team about Keane 🤣🤣🤣 Duff was flying it too. 

Ah football and they joys of supporting Rovers and Ireland. 

Hopefully get something to be positive about someday. Rovers will have to do a lot of that heavy lifting I fear 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I'm back to reading " Inverting The Pyramid " again. It's a book about the evolution of football tactics basically. One of the famous managers in the book reckoned three years was about the optimum at any one club before things started to go stale and the players began to get tired of your voice.   Usually he'd fallen out with enough of them by that time so they didn't like him as a manager any longer and that showed in their performances.

He reckoned the two alternatives then were 1)  Leave. 2) Get a new squad of players.

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm back to reading " Inverting The Pyramid " again. It's a book about the evolution of football tactics basically. One of the famous managers in the book reckoned three years was about the optimum at any one club before things started to go stale and the players began to get tired of your voice.   Usually he'd fallen out with enough of them by that time so they didn't like him as a manager any longer and that showed in their performances.

He reckoned the two alternatives then were 1)  Leave. 2) Get a new squad of players.

As the top managers have shown. How many teams did Fergie have? 

Tried that book,but found it tough going. The writing is tiny. Was interesting though 

We should try the 8 player upfront formation that they used back in the early days 🤣

[Dolly blue]

Any “ manager “ who selects a centre back partnership of Lenihan and Williams ....( leaving out Ayala )

Any “manager “ who signs 2 left backs called Bell and Douglas...

Any “ manager “ who is about to have his eighth window 

Any “ manager “ who constantly selected Bennett before Nyambe

Any “ manager “ who plays Gallagher wide left

Any “ manager “ who only selected Travis because Evans was red carded

Any “ manager “ who needs this “ slow build “

would be at best mid / lower table  ....that’s why we are where we are .....and managers who don’t operate like Mowbray are where they are . 

Whilst he remains at Ewood we are what we are ....a mirror of him.....nice team, no conviction, taking our time ...bumbling along .

Edited December 13, 2020 by Dolly blue

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

As the top managers have shown. How many teams did Fergie have? 

Tried that book,but found it tough going. The writing is tiny. Was interesting though 

We should try the 8 player upfront formation that they used back in the early days 🤣

I've got this fancy gadget matey. It's called " a pair of reading glasses ". Sounds like you should invest in pair. I could read great without them until I was about 60. Now I need them for reading all the time. It can happen pretty rapidly . Did you get the hard back version ? I've got another, similar, one " Called Flat Back Four " by Andy Gray. That's interesting.

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Probably not but who knows? Pick the phone up and beg the question, any decent CEO worth his/her salt would. If they say no, just cross them off the list and move on. During the conversation, they may say no but leave inklings in the conversation that lead you to believe that they possibly could be persuaded. You then work on it until you're enquiry has completely run out of steam and reluctantly accept that you have tried but been unsuccessful.

Are you for really? There is zero chance of coming here. Dont need to even ask them. No CEO of a championship is going to ringing Pochettino up. 

18 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Remember Jack Walker? (rhetorical question) He had that type of attitude and approach and was extremely successful as you know (pfft, Kenny Dalglish, no chance!)

That's was 30 years ago. Rovers could outbid most clubs back then. Now is very different times with Premier League money around in Money in England. 

 

20 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

If in your opinion, you're happy with how things are going, then fine your entitled to your view. 

I am happy with Mowbray as manager. I would give him this season with this squad. Then review at the end of the season. 

If you want a change of manager then that's your opinion and nothing wrong with that opinion. I do feel you need to be realistic with who Rovers could appoint. Would Mark Hughes manage in Championship? I dont know. Maybe look at Steve Cooper at Swansea or Lee Bowyer at Charlton or Mark Robin's at Coventry are far more realistic choices in my opinion. Foriegn options I can't suggest as I dont follow like I did 10 years ago.