Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Fraserkirky]

Definitely time for a change, give a new guy half a season to pick through the squad. I think it’s a very good squad overall and imagine it would be an appealable job.

I don’t think we have made enough of the body language of the players. It’s absolutely shocking, something isn’t right.

[PeteJD13]

I was told a while ago by someone with club connections who said we could go down and Mowbray would be safe, the owners like him. Interesting that on the under cosh podcast Luke Steele mentions how dour mowbray was. I dont think he'll get sacked regardless of how badly we perform i'm starting to feel really apathetic todays game was an easy miss.

More chance of platting fog than Mowbray being sacked or leaving he'll be here for another 2/3 years

Edited January 9, 2021 by PeteJD13

[rigger]

Some people say Mowbray hasn't lost the dressing room. That may be so, but he has lost the rest of the ground.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Resigned to mediocrity until Mowbray resigns. 

[danger19_80]

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Interesting post.

Mowbray is not as despised as Kean was, not by a long stretch. But even when Kean was here there was hope, there was an outlet. Enough people cared enough to try to bring about a change. Ultimately, IMHO, they did as they brought Shebby to the fore and things became very uncomfortable for him from that moment onwards.

This time out, it just feels relentless. A constant recurring theme of mediocrity, with no bogeyman, nobody to complain to and nobody who cares enough to complain, not even most other fans. And it just goes on forever.

It must have been how Bill Murray’s character felt in Groundhog Day at the point he was trying to end it all.

Conversely, for many fans Mowbray is the best and only man for the job - until he eventually does leave, at which point those same fans will say he had gone past his sell-by date and it was the right time to leave. But not a minute sooner.

I'd say this is way more akin to Bowyer's reign for those reasons then. Universally appreciated for steadying the ship but, like Mowbray, failed to get us into the top 6 with a capable squad. He had the owner's trust and I remember feeling like he was bulletproof but, in the end, got sacked seemingly out of nowhere. 

[Roverinbelfast]

2 minutes ago, danger19_80 said:

I'd say this is way more akin to Bowyer's reign for those reasons then. Universally appreciated for steadying the ship but, like Mowbray, failed to get us into the top 6 with a capable squad. He had the owner's trust and I remember feeling like he was bulletproof but, in the end, got sacked seemingly out of nowhere. 

Very good post. Sums it up perfectly for me. Anyone mentioning Mowbray and kean in the same sentence is bang outta order. 

[unleaded]

Surprised they have still  not sacked him ... 

Whu Loan out our Academys 21 - 23 stars who are high flying and replacing them with 18 year old kids .... How desperate can he get ...

The Subs he makes during games smack of I have no idea what am doing ....He comes across as a know it’ all type ... I will look back on his time at Rovers with a bad taste ... Wasted Millions .. like Pullis said he’s been lucky he’s been backed at a normal run club he would have been potted long time ago .....just don’t understand

Alas Venkys they go from one extreme to another .... 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

57 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

I was told a while ago by someone with club connections who said we could go down and Mowbray would be safe, the owners like him. Interesting that on the under cosh podcast Luke Steele mentions how dour mowbray was. I dont think he'll get sacked regardless of how badly we perform i'm starting to feel really apathetic todays game was an easy miss.

More chance of platting fog than Mowbray being sacked or leaving he'll be here for another 2/3 years

I think that's about Venky's level of thinking on all this - is Tony a nice man? If so, he'll do for us. 

[JHRover]

I think it is funny how there are so many third parties, neutrals and rival clubs fans who seem to be under the impression that Mowbray is the best thing since sliced bread and that Rovers fans are deluded/unrealistic/clueless for suggesting a change is needed.

Of course most of these buffoons don't watch Rovers with any regularity nor do they have any emotional investment in the club and are quite comfortable with us coasting along making up the numbers and being nice guys and the neutrals favourites.

Usually they harp on about what great business we've done or how unlucky we are or what a good style of football we have. Of course all meaningless but just like when rival managers are heaping praise on us it is usually a sign that the opposition are quite happy with where we are and what we do.

The point at which rivals and the top sides start to feel genuinely threatened by us and we employ a style and tactics to ruffle feathers and grind out results winning ugly and nasty at times is precisely the point at which these third parties, media people and rivals suddenly start calling us, complaining about us and moaning about us. I'll know then that we are in business. Remember Souness, Hughes and Allardyce didn't get many plaudits or pats on the back from rivals because they aggravated rivals.

I see that Danny Cowley is looking for a job with him and his brother both doing punditry work today. I think we could do worse. Up and coming, recharged, fresh methods and ideas. Don't think he gets the credit he deserves for hauling Huddersfield to safety either. I'll always like him for dumping the dingles out of the cup the other year too. 

Sadly such an appointment is just too logical for this club. Stick with the same old and go nowhere because he's a nice man and we've a nice bunch of lads here. Oh and a few injuries too.

[Mattyblue]

Other clubs, neutrals? I’d say a fair chunk of our fanbase too!

But yes for those who don’t follow closely, part of it is down to longevity. ‘4 years in a Championship job? Obviously doing a great job’.

They are not to know of the dumbing down of expectations and standards and owners that tune in one day a year when Chief Ex and manager make their annual show of fealty in Pune.

[matt83]

How many neutrals and third parties thought Kean was doing well as the club burnt. So they can fuck off when it comes to matters concerning Blackburn Rovers. Then how many of our own fans were slow to see this and even then reluctant to criticise back then.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[philipl]

It has reached the point where watching Rovers yesterday, I concluded I could fix that based on the tiny bit of football coaching I did 35 years ago.

[arbitro]

Mowbray is here until his contract ends in 2022 unless he resigns which I feel is highly unlikely. And we will still be treading water in mid table with sparse crowds and the debt increasing.

We are on the road to nowhere with these owners.

[Dolly blue]

It’s the morning after the day before....and how do I feel ???
just as disenfranchised from my club 
just as embarrassed by Mowbray   
just as disbelieving at the level of technical ability and levels of fitness I witnessed yesterday 
just as sad that ( when permitted ) I will not enter Ewood to support him
just as certain that the gate will be even smaller , and continue to get even smaller with this man 
just as hopeless.....and it’s the last point which gets me the most 
 

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Mowbray is here until his contract ends in 2022 unless he resigns which I feel is highly unlikely. And we will still be treading water in mid table with sparse crowds and the debt increasing.

We are on the road to nowhere with these owners.

The danger is , he maybe offered a new contract ...

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, Waggy76 said:

The danger is , he maybe offered a new contract ...

If he wants a new contract he will get one. It might take the owners 6 months to sort out but they will do it without question. 

The question is whether Mowbray will want one. By then he'll have had 5 years and I firmly believe the owners will be into cost cutting mode by that point. I doubt he'd want to stick around for that part of our journey. 

Thats why change asap is needed because the likes of Armstrong, Elliott and Dack won't be here much longer. We need new ideas to make the most of them whilst we can and even when they go we need new ideas when it comes to replacing them.

[JHRover]

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Edited January 10, 2021 by JHRover

[Gav]

11 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I think that's about Venky's level of thinking on all this - is Tony a nice man? If so, he'll do for us. 

To be honest with you Hoochie after king rat, Coyle, Singh, Agnew, Shaw et al, I'm glad we have a decent guy at the club trying his best for Blackburn Rovers.

Will he take us up, probably not, but he won't take us down either, we've reached our level under Venky ownership, its doesn't get any better than this in my opinion, regardless who the manager is.

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Gav

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, Gav said:

To be honest with you Hoochie after king rat, Coyle, Singh, Agnew, Shaw et al, I'm glad we have a decent guy at the club trying his best for Blackburn Rovers.

Will he take us up, probably not, but he won't take us down either, we've reached our level under Venky ownership, its doesn't get any better than this in my opinion.

 

He's obviously better than those you mention, and I don't disregard the good things he's achieved, but he isn't really the answer. I think we can all agree it'll be a miracle if he gets us in the Play Offs let alone the Prem. I still have hope they'll appoint someone with genuine ability like they very nearly did with Warnock. I don't care if they are nice. I just want them to be very good at their job. I admit it's probably a forlorn hope. 

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, Waggy76 said:

The danger is , he maybe offered a new contract ...

Absolutely nothing would surprise me with the idiots we have in charge. Whilst I agree with what he is saying the reality of Kamy's post scares me. It's about the owners liking him and he has done a great job ingratiating himself on them as has Swag. They publicly praise them as often as they can which is music to their ego-driven personalities. Whether by luck or design Mowbray has engineered a situation where he is bullet proof but nice, honest Mowbray surely has to realise we are as far as he can take us, do the honourable thing and tender his resignation.

And then I woke up...............

[G Somerset Rover]

The only way he’ll get potted is if someone gets in the V’s or Pasha’s ear IMO. And then it’d no doubt be with the wrong intentions.

Only hope is that he walks at the end of the season but he’ll probably see his contract out as a minimum.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

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[Stuart]

14 hours ago, unleaded said:

Surprised they have still  not sacked him ... 

Whu Loan out our Academys 21 - 23 stars who are high flying and replacing them with 18 year old kids .... How desperate can he get ...

The Subs he makes during games smack of I have no idea what am doing ....He comes across as a know it’ all type ... I will look back on his time at Rovers with a bad taste ... Wasted Millions .. like Pullis said he’s been lucky he’s been backed at a normal run club he would have been potted long time ago .....just don’t understand

Alas Venkys they go from one extreme to another .... 

Strikes me that they see a couple of hundred grand for an U23 player sale as important income and a outgoing loanee as a wage saved.

Sad times in the “think small-time” era of our club.

I seem to recall Mowbray saying that he had to tell Venkys to keep their money in their pocket while Project Slow Build was the best way forward.

Just my opinion but the club seems to be two entities. The club itself run like a League Two outfit (by Waggott) scrimping and saving and getting by (trading youngsters and cutting costs for things like the stadium and pitch), with a separate department for first team matters (headed up by Mowbray). Both separately reporting into the owners, with different budgets and targets.

It would explain quite a bit about the behaviours. The trouble is you can’t have it both ways. If money is being wasted on first team failure it is doubly damning for ticket sales. The club seemingly don’t need the money (first team spend/waste) and the quality doesn’t excite fans enough to sell tickets. Meanwhile the prices continue to rise to cover running costs.

The first team is everything and cannot be divorced from the rest of the club. They need to get fans onside and you do that by demonstrating that success for the first team is the single aim for the club. That requires holding the manager to account. The manager’s failure to bring that success or at least excitement/enjoyment to the first team directly impacts the chairman’s balance sheet. The former must be responsible to the latter and changes able to be made when necessary, with a single target from which everything else follows.

I get that this is a fictional, straw-man, fan-theory argument but it’s just my opinion.

[JHRover]

22 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Strikes me that they see a couple of hundred grand for an U23 player sale as important income and a outgoing loanee as a wage saved.

Sad times in the “think small-time” era of our club.

I seem to recall Mowbray saying that he had to tell Venkys to keep their money in their pocket while Project Slow Build was the best way forward.

Just my opinion but the club seems to be two entities. The club itself run like a League Two outfit (by Waggott) scrimping and saving and getting by (trading youngsters and cutting costs for things like the stadium and pitch), with a separate department for first team matters (headed up by Mowbray). Both separately reporting into the owners, with different budgets and targets.

It would explain quite a bit about the behaviours. The trouble is you can’t have it both ways. If money is being wasted on first team failure it is doubly damning for ticket sales. The club seemingly don’t need the money (first team spend/waste) and the quality doesn’t excite fans enough to sell tickets. Meanwhile the prices continue to rise to cover running costs.

The first team is everything and cannot be divorced from the rest of the club. They need to get fans onside and you do that by demonstrating that success for the first team is the single aim for the club. That requires holding the manager to account. The manager’s failure to bring that success or at least excitement/enjoyment to the first team directly impacts the chairman’s balance sheet. The former must be responsible to the latter and changes able to be made when necessary, with a single target from which everything else follows.

I get that this is a fictional, straw-man, fan-theory argument but it’s just my opinion.

Completely agree that the club is run as two separate entities. I think Waggott was given or got the job on the basis he could boost income, get more blood out of the stone and reduce what they needed to put in. They've also never taken much, if any, interest in the health of the club itself hence why we get Ewood in the state it is, the pitch looking like non-league standard, and embarrassing efforts by Waggott to scrape together a few quid.

Then they're happy to hire private jets to take the first team to Cardiff, give pointless new contracts to Sam Hart and Dominic Samuel and keep Ben Gladwin here because he's a nice lad. 

Makes no sense but then very little does.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, Gav said:

To be honest with you Hoochie after king rat, Coyle, Singh, Agnew, Shaw et al, I'm glad we have a decent guy at the club trying his best for Blackburn Rovers.

Will he take us up, probably not, but he won't take us down either, we've reached our level under Venky ownership, its doesn't get any better than this in my opinion, regardless who the manager is.

 

So in that case give me one good reason why we should carry on with this charade. If we've given up we may as well go the whole hog and get some houses on the place.

74 -0 on the poll. Chaddy mustn't have voted yet.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Tyrone Shoelaces