Tony Mowbray Discussion

[arbitro]

Just now, arbitro said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19010601.rovers-youngster-not-answer-yet-insists-mowbray/

Another whopper from Mowbray in the article where he says centre half is a mans job. So he is bringing an 18 year old and has let a 21 year old go out on loan.

I should have known better than to read his twaddle.

 

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, Ewood Ace said:

If you ever wanted to know what a poor coach Mowbray is then you only had to watch Fulham last night. Tosin not for the first time this season has looked a far better defender for them in the Premiership than he ever did here in the Championship.

Harrison Reed was outstanding in the centre of midfield yet when Mowbray had him he played him wide on the right because he needed to learn how to play centrally from Evans and Smallwood.

The mismanagement of Harrison Reed is a huge black mark against Mowbray for me.

Such a waste of a good player.

[simongarnerisgod]

12 hours ago, davulsukur said:

The mismanagement of Harrison Reed is a huge black mark against Mowbray for me.

Such a waste of a good player.

he had to learn how to play in the middle from evans and smallwood😊

seriously,he continually sent wharton out on loan because he said he was`nt a man,sends the underused carter out on loan and lo and behold brings in an 18 year old who`s played nine times for carlisle,this smacks of desperation,incompetence and double standards,at least as a defender he can`t nullify him like he`s gradually doing with elliot

[Bigdoggsteel]

3 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

he had to learn how to play in the middle from evans and smallwood😊

seriously,he continually sent wharton out on loan because he said he was`nt a man,sends the underused carter out on loan and lo and behold brings in an 18 year old who`s played nine times for carlisle,this smacks of desperation,incompetence and double standards,at least as a defender he can`t nullify him like he`s gradually doing with elliot

So you think Carter is better than Branthwaite? Why do you think that? 

[Clearwater]

On 13/01/2021 at 18:09, Leonard Venkhater said:

February makes me shiver.

Mowbray's men will not deliver...

Bad news on the doorstep

wish we were managed by Pep.

[Clearwater]

2 minutes ago, Clearwater said:

Bad news on the doorstep

wish we were managed by Pep.

I cant remember if i cried 

When i heard that he'd been hired 

The day the rovers died.

 

Bye bye the premier league drive

Lets be happy with mediocrity till the venkys are dry

And good old boys will say stability was grand

The day the rovers died

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

'Undoubtedly' - Mowbray says squad stronger for second half | Lancashire Telegraph

 

"It feels like we can score goals, dominate games, and even when we don’t score goals we create lots of chances. Some days they go in, some days they don’t.  But the fact we’re creating chances I think it’s important to do that, because if you’re scrambling 1-0s in games when you only have two or three chances every game, you’re not going to do that every week, in my opinion, unless you’re basing it around a defensive structure. But we’re not doing that, we’re basing it off an attacking structure.”

WTF!

Edited January 15, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

'Undoubtedly' - Mowbray says squad stronger for second half | Lancashire Telegraph

“Three points worse off, we could have been 10 points further on, easy, 12 points, games we could and should have won this season,” he said.

🤣

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

'Undoubtedly' - Mowbray says squad stronger for second half | Lancashire Telegraph

“Three points worse off, we could have been 10 points further on, easy, 12 points, games we could and should have won this season,” he said.

🤣

He conveniently forgets the scabby wins against Barnsley, Millwall and Rotherham. However some of the gullables who hang on his every word will buy that guff.

[JHRover]

If anyone was in any doubt a quick read of Mowbray's comments will confirm he's lost the plot.

He's not completely daft and knows he is underachieving and not delivering what was expected. At any other club in the world he would be on the brink or already down the road so these desperate comments reflect him feeling some heat.

Unfortunately this is Venky Rovers run as a corner shop operation and he's as safe as houses.

Ramblings almost as deluded as Kean's 'entries into their box' nonsense. Does he think we are all stupid?

[Parsonblue]

The telling line in that article for me was " I probably haven't got a best XI, that depends on the opposition."

The managers who I've enjoyed the most - and invariably been the most successful - Jack Marshall, Gordon Lee, Howard Kendall, Kenny Dalglish and Graeme Souness had this strange habit of picking their strongest team week in and week out irrespective of the opposition.

[Blue blood]

For those who CBA reading the article it can be summarised as "don't worry Venkys the squad has been unlucky and is going to do  better this next half of the season."

Most telling thing for me is building from an attacking base not a defensive base (his words). Which manager has success doing that? From Liverpool getting success when they got in the top class CB and GK through to every premier League winning team - they are all built on a defensive base. His lack of footballing basics is terrifying. 

[Mattyblue]

The couple of hundred grand for Bell is the only fee spent on a defender in donkeys years, and it shows...

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

For those who CBA reading the article it can be summarised as "don't worry Venkys the squad has been unlucky and is going to do  better this next half of the season."

Most telling thing for me is building from an attacking base not a defensive base (his words). Which manager has success doing that? From Liverpool getting success when they got in the top class CB and GK through to every premier League winning team - they are all built on a defensive base. His lack of footballing basics is terrifying. 

Very few managers even try to build on an attack based team. Keegan tried at Newcastle, and won nowt.

[Blue blood]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

Very few managers even try to build on an attack based team. Keegan tried at Newcastle, and won nowt.

Yep, can't think of one where it has succeeded. The guy is so ignorant about football it's untrue. How can he have played and managed in the game and make the errors and assumptions that he does? 

It also irks in the article he complains about defensive injuries when so many of them are crocks. 

[Tom]

For someone who is meant to put a lot of investment and focus on stats and analytics it’s convenient to now ignore all of that because to his eye we look better.

The personality is hugely different of course but these are some real ‘dew on the grass’ level comments 

@Parsonblue is spot on (no surprise) you need to know your best team, remember Tony over thinking a game in league one and subsequently messing it up because he shuffled his team around in fear of the oppositions left back!

[rigger]

13 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The couple of hundred grand for Bell is the only fee spent on a defender in donkeys years, and it shows...

The problem is, it's not the only fee spent on a donkey

[LDRover]

3 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

'Undoubtedly' - Mowbray says squad stronger for second half | Lancashire Telegraph

“Three points worse off, we could have been 10 points further on, easy, 12 points, games we could and should have won this season,” he said.

🤣

He's wandering into Kean territory here...

[Rogerb]

When you think back to what the V's were reputed to want when they bought the club - attacking football- why buy players when you can loan them!. You could interpret the article and quotes being for Pune

[davulsukur]

5 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

The telling line in that article for me was " I probably haven't got a best XI, that depends on the opposition."

The managers who I've enjoyed the most - and invariably been the most successful - Jack Marshall, Gordon Lee, Howard Kendall, Kenny Dalglish and Graeme Souness had this strange habit of picking their strongest team week in and week out irrespective of the opposition.

That screams "We worry about the opposition"

Instead of

"Let the opposition worry about us"

[AllRoverAsia]

Sugar me, I weakened my resolve and read it.

Note to self:

I must not read shit garbage

I must not read shit garbage

I must not read shit garbage

Etc Etc 100 times

I cant help it ... he actually thinks that we could, currently, be at least in 2nd place. Truly I am lost for words.

 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by AllRoverAsia

[AllRoverAsia]

2 hours ago, LDRover said:

He's wandering into Kean territory here...

I was just thinking the same.

If that had come from Kean or Coyle this place would go ballistic.

The truth is bullshit is bullshit whomsoever mouths it.

[G Somerset Rover]

40 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

That screams "We worry about the opposition"

Instead of

"Let the opposition worry about us"

That and he just can’t bloody help himself. He thinks he’s far smarter then he actually is.

[roversfan99]

The thing is that the crap he is saying isnt actually problem, but it merely throws salt into the wounds of a blatant failure to improve and come close to meeting targets on the league table. There is literally no basis as to how he has concluded that we should be 10 or 12 points better off, none at all. You get the points you deserve.

I think there are still some fans who genuinely believe in the journey and that we are in a better place than last season purely on what they have seen aesthetically despite the minor issue that we are worse off for points even compared to a season in which we never got into the top 6.

Even the supposed attacking/entertaining football has been non existent for quite a while now. His major flaw is that all of his theories seem to have concluded that there is a 100% correlation between having more of the ball and winning points, but there were numerous examples of teams who disproved that even last season. We also dont have any defenders who are good with the ball with their feet, nor the players seemingly to be able to play at a high enough tempo in those areas to ensure that it is not merely keeping the ball for the sake of it. Mowbray mentioned recently that he delegates set pieces to his coaching staff. A well managed side tends to be proficient from set pieces, and we may not have the biggest side in the world so to an extent I understand why we do try short corners but you have to put the time in to practice, you need the quality of coaching and you need constantly new ideas to ensure that teams never know what you are about to do. As we clearly dont have these 3, it makes more sense to play the percentages and take normal corners. Football doesnt have to be either obsessing about possession or going direct, there can be a happy medium and plenty of compromises but Mowbray seems too keen to stick to his misguided principles.

We have 3 players in attacking positions that guarantee goals and assists, which gives us a huge leg up on basically everyone in this league, even having 2 as we have up until this date is a massive bonus. Play all three in their best positions (Armstrong central, Dack as a 10 ie no false 9 or CM shite and Elliott on the right and not again in CM) and go from there. We have a lorry load of players who tend to flatter to deceive, 3 bad games for every 1 good game, Rothwell, Holtby, Brereton, Gallagher etc and they can all fight for the remaining spots, then I would go with 2 central midfielders who can help to protect our flaky defence, and actually a lot of time spent on organising rather than "building on an attacking structure" which makes absolutely no sense.

 

[simongarnerisgod]

16 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

So you think Carter is better than Branthwaite? Why do you think that? 

he might very well be better than carter and most likely is,just the fact that mowbray previously has stated young lads who are central defenders usually ar`nt up to it physically ,then he goes and signs an 18 year old with very little experience,unless he`s the second incarnation of a rio ferdinand(if he was then he`d be on the verge of the everton first team)it`s a desperate move by a man who`s run out of ideas,not that he`s ever had much of an idea about defending,astonishing as he was a very good one as a player