Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gav]

8 minutes ago, J*B said:

We’ve spent 90m since the 2008/2009 season - that season included. 

That's criminal....but nowhere near Stokes budget by the way, Allen and Obi Mikel are on a fortune compared to us.

Can you tell me how much we've spent since 1990? Or does it not go back that far?

Edited January 16, 2021 by Gav

[roversfan99]

Many of those players signed were prior to O'Neill and rather than being of benefit to him, they are liabilities he is struggling to shift, Ince and Vokes amongst them.

[frosty]

Allen was £13m according to a transfermarkt and a few other sources.

[Bigdoggsteel]

13 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

But none of those were signed by Hughes.

Ya, so they continued spending after Hughes. 

What wages would Mikel even be on? Allen? They blow us out of the water financially 

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Many of those players signed were prior to O'Neill and rather than being of benefit to him, they are liabilities he is struggling to shift, Ince and Vokes amongst them.

For a "liability" Ince is still there, starting games 

[J*B]

4 minutes ago, Gav said:

That's criminal....but nowhere near Stokes budget by the way, Allen and Obi Mikel are on a fortune compared to us.

Can you tell me how much we've spent since 1990? Or does it not go back that far?

£311,935,000

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Rovers look into pitch concerns after Mowbray & player 'moaning' | Lancashire Telegraph

“This pitch hasn’t been changed for 28 years and if we’re going to play a brand of football then we need a football pitch to play on and if we’re going to have a football pitch here then we need to have a pitch at the training ground that marries the pitch here so we can play on this surface and get used to it" - Mogga

28 years since they re-laid the pitch? Bullshit surely?

[Gav]

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

£311,935,000

FUCKING HELL (Apologies K-Hod and the mods)

Andy Cole is still our most expensive signing at £8m?

Is that including wages 😪

I feel sick...

Edited January 16, 2021 by Gav

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Rovers look into pitch concerns after Mowbray & player 'moaning' | Lancashire Telegraph

“This pitch hasn’t been changed for 28 years and if we’re going to play a brand of football then we need a football pitch to play on and if we’re going to have a football pitch here then we need to have a pitch at the training ground that marries the pitch here so we can play on this surface and get used to it" - Mogga

28 years since they re-laid the pitch? Bullshit surely?

I found that extremely surprising. It's hardly the truth, is it? 

[Ewood Ace]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Stoke have spent roughly 65 million since coming down to the championship plus huge on wages aswell. 

And yet when O'Neill came in they were bottom of the league. The likes of Ince, Vokes, Afobe, Woods, Etebo, Lindsay who that money was spent have either been moved on rarely used as they weren't what O'Neill wanted. Yet by spending just £2 Million O'Neill has taken Stoke from bottom of the league to top 6 contenders.

 

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Allen cost 25 million. 

Close but it was £13 Million.

Joe Allen: Stoke City sign Liverpool midfielder in £13m transfer - BBC Sport

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I found that extremely surprising. It's hardly the truth, is it? 

Its the only thing stopping us already being promoted. 

[DE.]

If Mowbray has a problem with the pitch has he raised it with Suhail or the owners? Or is he just passing the buck again? Also regarding his comments about Stoke...

"It’s a football club with aspirations."

Is he saying we aren't? Am sure the owners would appreciate his quotes after allowing him to chuck £12m on Gallagher & Brereton down the drain. 

Edited January 16, 2021 by DE.

[matt83]

I believe they relay the pitch at the end of every season. But the 28 years thing will be presumably referring to the whole system from under soil heating, to drainage, etc.

Lets call it what it is though just another excuse out of Mowbray’s big book of ridiculous excuses 

[Ewood Ace]

11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

What wages would Mikel even be on? Allen? They blow us out of the water financially 

Speculation we have no idea what their wages are.

[J*B]

6 minutes ago, Gav said:

FUCKING HELL (Apologies K-Hod and the mods)

Andy Cole is still out most expensive signing at £8m?

Is that including wages 😪

Cole was 10.98m. That figure excludes wages. 

[Gav]

 

3 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Speculation we have no idea what their wages are.

Much bigger than ours, Fletcher, Allen, Obi Mikel, Vokes and Ince.

We're not in Stokes league really are we?

Edited January 16, 2021 by Gav

[JHRover]

55 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

TM: “We’re in the middle of winter and the pitch isn’t fine. It’s really, really poor. “So does the team and coach have to find a different way to play? Yeah, I think we’re at that stage."

Great, roll on another 6 months whilst we try to change to this 'different way'. Maybe we need another couple of transfer windows to recruit the right personnel for this 'different way'. 

Always tomorrow, never today with this regime.

[RoversClitheroe]

9 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Rovers look into pitch concerns after Mowbray & player 'moaning' | Lancashire Telegraph

“This pitch hasn’t been changed for 28 years and if we’re going to play a brand of football then we need a football pitch to play on and if we’re going to have a football pitch here then we need to have a pitch at the training ground that marries the pitch here so we can play on this surface and get used to it" - Mogga

28 years since they re-laid the pitch? Bullshit surely?

It's definitely not true, they relaid it like 3 seasons ago and posted it on twitter everyday if someone has the effort to go and search

[Gav]

2 minutes ago, J*B said:

Cole was 10.98m. That figure excludes wages. 

No chance, sorry J*B, thanks for putting it out there, but thats not true from the website you're looking at.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/dec/30/newsstory.sport1

£7.6M according to The Guardian.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

And yet when O'Neill came in they were bottom of the league. The likes of Ince, Vokes, Afobe, Woods, Etebo, Lindsay who that money was spent have either been moved on rarely used as they weren't what O'Neill wanted. Yet by spending just £2 Million O'Neill has taken Stoke from bottom of the league to top 6 contenders.

 

Close but it was £13 Million.

Joe Allen: Stoke City sign Liverpool midfielder in £13m transfer - BBC Sport

O'Neill has change the squad around but still has a number of players on huge wages 

[RoversClitheroe]

LOL

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

 

Much bigger than ours, Fletcher, Allen, Obi Mikel, Vokes and Ince.

We're not in Stokes league really are we?

The problem with these comparisons is again that it is bloated with players that are on big wages many of whom the manager wouldnt have chosen to use and is stuck with. Having players like Ince and Vokes are not giving Stoke a competitive advantage, if anything they are causing the manager additional issues.

[JHRover]

1 minute ago, Gav said:

The 

Much bigger than ours, Fletcher, Allen, Obi Mikel, Vokes and Ince.

We're not in Stokes league really are we?

I think it is irrefutable that Stoke have a squad that cost more money and have a bigger wage bill. 

The reason for that is they have owners who invest in their club to better it whereas we have owners with a very different agenda.

But suggesting that this financial discrepancy is accountable for results or should put us into a different bracket to them is nonsense.

They've been a calamity club since leaving the Premier League, burning their way through 3 managers in 3 years, twice battling relegation and have had a massive turnover in staff. Mowbray has been able to build us up with stability, time and a blank canvas with no deadwood or cutbacks needed. O'Neill has had all sorts to deal with, players who didn't want to be there and a sinking ship. He's put Mowbray to shame.

[J*B]

2 minutes ago, Gav said:

No chance, sorry J*B, thanks for putting it out there, but thats not true from the website you're looking at.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/dec/30/newsstory.sport1

£7.6M according to The Guardian.

Mines from TransferMarkt: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/blackburn-rovers/alletransfers/verein/164

That figure will include all bonuses, agents fees and signing on fees. A signing on fee is usually 10% of the transfer fee to start with. TransferMarkt is very good, it’s usually taken from official club data when the accounts are released. 

[Mattyblue]

Stoke still have a squad full of PL failures they can’t get rid of us due to their daft wages - doesn’t make them a particularly good Championship side - it’s why many a relegated sides struggle in this league, demotivated players and a club with a losing mentality. It’s why the Championship is so competitive and you don’t have the same three bouncing back up each year.

O’Neill is slowly turning them around, but let’s see where they are after this season when the parachutes end.