Tony Mowbray Discussion

[G Somerset Rover]

38 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Best article by Sharpe I have ever read. Fair play to him. He will be run out of Brockhall again 😂

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Mowbray makes a dig or two this week about ‘unhelpful outside influences’ and the like, during one of his pressers.

Perhaps Sharpe is getting a bit more ballsy as more of his work is done virtually these days!

Edited January 17, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Mattyblue]

There’s always a time with a manager when you can see the players just aren’t really responding anymore, a new voice is usually needed - and at a normal club the board spots it too.

However, as it doesn’t work like that here, we will just stagger on as interest within the fanbase rapidly wanes...

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Mowbray makes a dig or two this week about ‘unhelpful outside influences’ and the like, during one of his pressers.

Perhaps Sharpe is getting a bit more ballsy as more of his work is done virtually these days!

He almost certainly will. He will probably say it to the players to try and get a siege mentality going, but the players will just look at each other and be like "well he (Sharpe) is right to be fair" 

It's ballsy for Sharpe's standards, but like ,there is nothing untrue in it. You could even say it doest go far enough, but ya, for Sharpe it's definitely progress down the right road. 

It feels like there is actually a bit of pressure to get a win against Swansea now. Cos Sharpe surely has to keep going on this route now. 

I'm sure if we win against Swansea Mowbray will comment 100% ,but my take on that would be, wait til you actually win a few more Tony. It's going to be interesting to see how he responds. I think you are right, he will. 

[arbitro]

Andy Bayes said in his preview yesterday that he felt Mowbray was one result away from the majority of fans turning on him. In his view one of the factors helping Mowbray is that there are no fans to turn up the heat on him. He mentioned that his opinion is based on social media comments. Kevin Gallagher was more forthright and openly criticised the tactics, team selection and in match decision making. Reading some of the written press it certainly feels that the wealth of opinion in local media is that his race is run.

[Gav]

1 minute ago, arbitro said:

Kevin Gallagher was more forthright and openly criticised the tactics, team selection and in match decision making. 

I don't disagree with your post arbitro, but on Gallagher.

Its a pity Kevin didn't have the balls to do the same when king rat was here, we needed the media on the supporters side, yet Kevin was one of his chief apologists week in week out, I lost all respect for him during that period.

[arbitro]

4 minutes ago, Gav said:

I don't disagree with your post arbitro, but on Gallagher.

Its a pity Kevin didn't have the balls to do the same when king rat was here, we needed the media on the supporters side, yet Kevin was one of his chief apologists week in week out, I lost all respect for him during that period.

I don't disagree Gav as I have always found that Gallagher is a poor pundit and a bit of a hanger-on. On this occasion though I think he is right.

[Bigdoggsteel]

13 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Andy Bayes said in his preview yesterday that he felt Mowbray was one result away from the majority of fans turning on him. In his view one of the factors helping Mowbray is that there are no fans to turn up the heat on him. He mentioned that his opinion is based on social media comments. Kevin Gallagher was more forthright and openly criticised the tactics, team selection and in match decision making. Reading some of the written press it certainly feels that the wealth of opinion in local media is that his race is run.

Can Waggott make the decisions himself does anyone know? 

He is probably the one that needs to be targeted. Mowbray could walk away now with some pride intact, I just have a bad feeling this is going to drag and end very nastily. 

[G Somerset Rover]

9 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Can Waggott make the decisions himself does anyone know? 

From reading between the lines it would need to be Pasha to have a word in the ears of Madame/Blingy. I’d be amazed if Waggott held much sway with them.

Edited January 17, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

44 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

I must admit that I like Mowbray.  I would never question his honesty nor his integrity. 

I've started to dislike him for the fact he never accepts responsibility. It's always someone/something else's fault - injuries, the pitch, the ref, the opposition's budget. 

I read an interview with Steve Bruce t'other day were he took all the blame for the teams failings and said he had to do better. You would never hear that from Mowbray. 

[RoversClitheroe]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Best article by Sharpe I have ever read. Fair play to him. He will be run out of Brockhall again 😂

He's dead right though. Just sad, sad reading really. He doesn't say it straight out, but what he implies is so true- Mowbray says he judged the season with his eyes not with stats, well he bloody well uses stats when they suit him. He's annoying me to be honest. Mowbray out. 

On stats, that Nick Powell has scored more headers than our entire team, is an absolute disgrace. Mowbray probably thinks scoring headers are below his footballing philosophy. I'm sure the successful managers at this level would disagree. It's all very grim. Mowbray out out out!!

Fantastic article. And if people still back Mowbray after that article full of facts then I'm worried.

[Bigdoggsteel]

19 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

From reading between the lines it would need to be Pasha to have a word in the ears of Madame/Blingy. I’d be amazed if Waggott held much sway with them.

Ya, it's all set up for absolutely nothing to change this season. 

[Wheelton Blue]

The state of the pitch is obviously an issue.

What irks me with Mowbray's comments though, is him publically calling it out as he has  on the back of yet another dismal showing, and seemingly laying the blame on it for the result.

The pitch didn't stop Rothwell running 30 yards, nor Armstrong latching on and finishing. The pitch wasn't the reason why we gifted yet another goal from a set play. It wasn't the reason why Stoke were the better side.

[philipl]

15 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

TM: “We’re in the middle of winter and the pitch isn’t fine. It’s really, really poor. “So does the team and coach have to find a different way to play? Yeah, I think we’re at that stage."

Watch for us trotting out with rakes, hoes and a steam roller on Tuesday evening

[RoversClitheroe]

10 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The state of the pitch is obviously an issue.

What irks me with Mowbray's comments though, is him publically calling it out as he has  on the back of yet another dismal showing, and seemingly laying the blame on it for the result.

The pitch didn't stop Rothwell running 30 yards, nor Armstrong latching on and finishing. The pitch wasn't the reason why we gifted yet another goal from a set play. It wasn't the reason why Stoke were the better side.

And we are more used to the pitch than any of our opposition since we've been training on it for a week or so.

[Bigdoggsteel]

34 minutes ago, philipl said:

Watch for us trotting out with rakes, hoes and a steam roller on Tuesday evening

Ya and get the gum shields in and the proper old school boots and studs on! 

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Best article by Sharpe I have ever read. Fair play to him. He will be run out of Brockhall again 😂

He's dead right though. Just sad, sad reading really. He doesn't say it straight out, but what he implies is so true- Mowbray says he judged the season with his eyes not with stats, well he bloody well uses stats when they suit him. He's annoying me to be honest. Mowbray out. 

On stats, that Nick Powell has scored more headers than our entire team, is an absolute disgrace. Mowbray probably thinks scoring headers are below his footballing philosophy. I'm sure the successful managers at this level would disagree. It's all very grim. Mowbray out out out!!

Yer its a shocking stat that we've only scored 1 header all season. Gallagher, Johnson, Lenihan, Ayala all big lads who should be getting onto the end of corners and crosses and contributing more.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I've started to dislike him for the fact he never accepts responsibility. It's always someone/something else's fault - injuries, the pitch, the ref, the opposition's budget. 

I read an interview with Steve Bruce t'other day were he took all the blame for the teams failings and said he had to do better. You would never hear that from Mowbray. 

Rochdale, who usually haven't got a pot to piss in, had a notoriously poor pitch, always waterlogged etc.  They'd have games cancelled when nobody else in the whole of the league did. Last summer they bit the bullet and really went to town on the pitch. It was completely dug up and everything was replaced, drains, the lot ! Now they're seeing the benefit of it.

If they can do it why can't we ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Yer its a shocking stat that we've only scored 1 header all season. Gallagher, Johnson, Lenihan, Ayala all big lads who should be getting onto the end of corners and crosses and contributing more.

Brererton's another one - 6ft 3ins tall, jumps about 5ft 8ins.

[Blue blood]

7 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Yer its a shocking stat that we've only scored 1 header all season. Gallagher, Johnson, Lenihan, Ayala all big lads who should be getting onto the end of corners and crosses and contributing more.

Although in fairness Johnson doesn't have the engine to get in the box, Ayala is always injured, Gally is stuck out wide on the touchline and Lenihen is babysitting a midfielder in centre defence. 

Agree it's a shocking stat btw. Just doing a TM and throwing in a load of excuses that actually highlight other failings. 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

The local media turning on Mowbray can only be a good thing, if you want him gone of course. Still think we've got him for as long as he wants to carry on failing. Only a relegation battle could potentially change that but we'll more than likely do enough to secure a mid table finish. Head down and pretend this isn't happening for me, the usual under Venkys. 

[davulsukur]

24 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Although in fairness Johnson doesn't have the engine to get in the box, Ayala is always injured, Gally is stuck out wide on the touchline and Lenihen is babysitting a midfielder in centre defence. 

Agree it's a shocking stat btw. Just doing a TM and throwing in a load of excuses that actually highlight other failings. 

Ha, doesn't it just. 

All in the box for corners and free kicks but we know how bad we are at those!

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, Gav said:

I don't disagree with your post arbitro, but on Gallagher.

Its a pity Kevin didn't have the balls to do the same when king rat was here, we needed the media on the supporters side, yet Kevin was one of his chief apologists week in week out, I lost all respect for him during that period.

I think Gallagher fancied a coaching job at Rovers and it didn't materialise!

[Silas]

4 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

 I believe history will judge him kindly in terms of his contribution to the club.  

The problem being if time marches on, and things get progressively worse, then this sentiment can get eroded away.

I truly hope that doesn't happen, as I agree with you, he's a decent bloke that has done some good things, and deserves to be appreciated for that.

But barring a remarkable turnaround and barnstorming 2nd half of the season, if TM's reign continues into next season, I do fear how sour it could become. 

I really don't want our best manager of the last decade to become universally disliked by the fans. It would be particularly galling considering he has stated he would never allow that to happen. There comes a time he has to be true to his words. That line in the sand surely can't be far off. 

[rovers11]

I think it's fair to say the majority of the fan base and the local media have lost faith in TM and rightly so.

He's done a very good job here but just because someone has got us here does not mean they're the right person to get us to where we want to go. He's a solid championship manager but he's no more than that. 

I can see a change in the summer but I don't see one happening before then. 

A big, big opportunity missed this season and that's the frustrating thing. We wont have the likes of Armstrong and Elliot here next season, and quite possibly not Rothwell or Nyambe either, so there will be a rebuilding job to do. We've not at any point this season looked like maintaining a genuine promotion push to the prem. In fact we haven't since we've been relegated. 

[jasprovers]

I am baffled beyond belief regarding the amount of people on here calling for Mowbray Out. Can’t people see what he is doing for this club? Everything he does is because he’s thinking long-term.

Maybe, I believe too much of what he says. But, I am excited for the prospect of a fully fit team playing together our old attacking flowing football. At the moment, yes, the defence is on its arse. Yes, Ayala is a useless donkey on a silly contract and can only get through 70 mins a game. Yes, we STILL haven’t found a suitable left back but we’re trying to fix it. 

We’ve been hampered by injuries at the back. Leading to a lack of consistency, this has led to a lack of organisation, leading to sloppy goals being given away. This affects confidence which is why we aren’t controlling games at the moment and we’re just not creating clear cut chances and putting them away. Half of our shots is Armstrong just shooting for the sake of shooting. If we did get promoted this season miraculously, we could not rely on Armstrong to keep us in the prem. He’s not ready for that, we’re not ready for that. We’d come straight back down. We cannot rely on Breo, Gallagher, Buckley, Armstrong, Rothwell, Dack to keep us in the prem next season. They’re not ready for it yet, but I think they will be in a couple of years. 

Under Mowbray, we will go up with time. Why jeopardise that with the risk of going back to the days of Henning Berg in one week, out the next. Appleton in one week, out the next. Instead of pissing away money on paying off managers, back Mowbray, develop the pitches, develop the squad for when we are ready to be promoted. 

We are very good. We’re just not ready yet.