Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

oh well. 

He has been the best managerial appointment along with Lambert Venkys have made since being here. 

It's a low bar Chaddy. How many of Kean, Berg, Appleton, Bowyer, Lambert would you have appointed on a permanent basis ? I'll hold my hand up for Lambert and Co.

[StevenSK]

The owners almost as much as the club and fans deserve better than TM. He is taking the piss out of them 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

oh well. 

He has been the best managerial appointment along with Lambert Venkys have made since being here. 

Bowyer based on league positions is the best. He never took us down like Mowbray either. What did Lambert do? 

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It's a low bar Chaddy. How many of Kean, Berg, Appleton, Bowyer, Lambert would you have appointed on a permanent basis ? I'll hold my hand up for Lambert and Co.

I would have appointed Bowyer and Lambert. 

Appleton is doing a good job at Lincoln and I hope takes them up. I think Appleton would have done a good job if he had stayed longer here and Shebby wasnt around. 

When Berg was appointed I wanted Holloway to be appoint. 

But even going back to when Souness was appointed I wasn't sure about his appointment tho I did enjoyed his Sky punditry at that time. He won my over time and give me 2 great Rovers memories 

Hughes was someone I wanted so was very happy with his appointment, 

Ince appointment was the wrong one from day one. said that at the time. 

Allardyce appointment at that time was the right one and 18 months I was happy with him but after hearing he wanted out to coach in the middle East didint sit well with me and then I felt his negative football wasn't going to develop players like Hoilett, Olsson and Kalinic going forward. 

Wasn't against Berg appointment but he made a massive mistake by not bring in his own staff and he paid for that. 

When ever we have to appoint Mowbray's successor, we need a proper search and not limited to certain people from certain list.  

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I would have appointed Bowyer and Lambert. 

Appleton is doing a good job at Lincoln and I hope takes them up. I think Appleton would have done a good job if he had stayed longer here and Shebby wasnt around. 

When Berg was appointed I wanted Holloway to be appoint. 

But even going back to when Souness was appointed I wasn't sure about his appointment tho I did enjoyed his Sky punditry at that time. He won my over time and give me 2 great Rovers memories 

Hughes was someone I wanted so was very happy with his appointment, 

Ince appointment was the wrong one from day one. said that at the time. 

Allardyce appointment at that time was the right one and 18 months I was happy with him but after hearing he wanted out to coach in the middle East didint sit well with me and then I felt his negative football wasn't going to develop players like Hoilett, Olsson and Kalinic going forward. 

Wasn't against Berg appointment but he made a massive mistake by not bring in his own staff and he paid for that. 

When ever we have to appoint Mowbray's successor, we need a proper search and not limited to certain people from certain list.  

I was pleased when we got Souey, Hughes and Big Sam. Appointing Ince was inexplicable. Berg - inexperienced, as was Appleton at the time. Bowyer - Tony Parkes MK2, good caretaker but not full time for me.

[matt83]

During the Venkys era I’ve only been happy with Lambert’s appointment at the outset. Obviously didn’t work out well but I do wonder what might have been if he had been given the same support from the owners Mowbray has been given.

For both Mowbray and Bowyer it was just a relief at not seeing their predecessor in the dugout. Another similarity between their respective tenures. To be fair Mowbray has done better than I thought he would being a dinosaur on the scrap heap of football managers having failed at Celtic, boro and Coventry. 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

oh well. 

He has been the best managerial appointment along with Lambert Venkys have made since being here. 

I will turn to Jimmy Carr for this; that's like being the best looking bloke.... in the burns unit 

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, jasprovers said:

I am baffled beyond belief regarding the amount of people on here calling for Mowbray Out. Can’t people see what he is doing for this club? Everything he does is because he’s thinking long-term.

Maybe, I believe too much of what he says. But, I am excited for the prospect of a fully fit team playing together our old attacking flowing football. At the moment, yes, the defence is on its arse. Yes, Ayala is a useless donkey on a silly contract and can only get through 70 mins a game. Yes, we STILL haven’t found a suitable left back but we’re trying to fix it. 

We’ve been hampered by injuries at the back. Leading to a lack of consistency, this has led to a lack of organisation, leading to sloppy goals being given away. This affects confidence which is why we aren’t controlling games at the moment and we’re just not creating clear cut chances and putting them away. Half of our shots is Armstrong just shooting for the sake of shooting. If we did get promoted this season miraculously, we could not rely on Armstrong to keep us in the prem. He’s not ready for that, we’re not ready for that. We’d come straight back down. We cannot rely on Breo, Gallagher, Buckley, Armstrong, Rothwell, Dack to keep us in the prem next season. They’re not ready for it yet, but I think they will be in a couple of years. 

Under Mowbray, we will go up with time. Why jeopardise that with the risk of going back to the days of Henning Berg in one week, out the next. Appleton in one week, out the next. Instead of pissing away money on paying off managers, back Mowbray, develop the pitches, develop the squad for when we are ready to be promoted. 

We are very good. We’re just not ready yet. 
 

You as touched upon seem to have fallen into the trap of falling for what he says. If he is all about the long term, why did he sign 4 loanees this season and Downing for 12 months? You acknowledge that he has failed to improve the same achilles heel in defence that we had since promotion. Inconsistencies in selection are mainly from the injury prone players he has signed or refused to let go even when interest arose. The intangibles behind the scenes are not bearing out improvements on the pitch. And this idea of our fully fit squad is really speculative, its the argument of an underachiever in Mowbray making excuses. So many teams have had injury woes on par or worse than us this season. We will rarely if ever have a fully fit squad.

The Premier League argument is heavily flawed. There are only positives from us going up, no negatives at all. Financially is the obvious one. On the playing side, Armstrong would likely sign a new deal so we could protect that investment, Nyambe likewise. Elliott could well come back. And we would have the platform to invest sensibly and prudently, we wouldnt have to be using Gallagher, Brereton, Buckley and Rothwell every week. As long as we genuinely gave our all and tackled the league with enthusiasm rather than throwing in the towel before a ball was kicked, then even if we came back down in the first season we would be in a much better place. And there are some crap teams at the bottom of the Premier League so with savvy signings survival is not an unreachable dream. There is no genuine reasoning in being ready or not ready for the Premier League. If you get promoted you are ready, if not you are not.

If the only alternative is to keep swapping between a Kean to a Berg to an Appleton then maybe we would settle for Mowbray. But it isnt and that is hardly a ringing endorsement anyway.

[RoversClitheroe]

Loving today's absolute Gem from Tony Mowbray - "No momentum lost" 😂. 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Loving today's absolute Gem from Tony Mowbray - "No momentum lost" 😂. 

To be fair he's not wrong; we haven't had any momentum at all this season, in truth. A couple of thrashings earlier in the season flattered to deceive, but at no point have we seriously threatened the play-offs - just like the rest of Mowbray's tenure.

We're at the absolute peak of where we will get with him. 

[RoversClitheroe]

9 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

To be fair he's not wrong; we haven't had any momentum at all this season, in truth. A couple of thrashings earlier in the season flattered to deceive, but at no point have we seriously threatened the play-offs - just like the rest of Mowbray's tenure.

We're at the absolute peak of where we will get with him. 

The funny thing about those thrashings is that 2 of them were against 10 men and they still bang on about it like it was a masterclass

[DE.]

33 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

To be fair he's not wrong; we haven't had any momentum at all this season, in truth. A couple of thrashings earlier in the season flattered to deceive, but at no point have we seriously threatened the play-offs - just like the rest of Mowbray's tenure.

We're at the absolute peak of where we will get with him. 

Can't lose any momentum if you never have any.

[StevenSK]

11 am and he’s still employed. 🤬

[RoversClitheroe]

1 minute ago, StevenSK said:

11 am and he’s still employed. 🤬

Literally cannot believe it.

[Mattyblue]

4 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Literally cannot believe it.

Why? What did you think was going to happen to even get the ball rolling?

- A ‘board’ meeting?

- Balaji or whoever demanding a morning Zoom call for answers from Pasha and Waggott?

- The manager hauled into the Chief Exec’s office for an explanation of recent form?

You reckon anything like that has occurred?

[MarkBRFC]

18 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

oh well. 

He has been the best managerial appointment along with Lambert Venkys have made since being here. 

What makes Mowbray a better appointment than Bowyer out of interest?

[JHRover]

I don't know about anyone else but I must have spent hours over the last few weeks thinking, talking and posting about the situation and the route forward.

Anyone reckon our owners or incredibly well paid CEO have given the subject a seconds thought?

 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Does anyone genuinely believe he's got specific targets, which, if not met, will lead him to be sacked?

 

[RoversClitheroe]

22 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I don't know about anyone else but I must have spent hours over the last few weeks thinking, talking and posting about the situation and the route forward.

Anyone reckon our owners or incredibly well paid CEO have given the subject a seconds thought?

 

Nope

14 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Does anyone genuinely believe he's got specific targets, which, if not met, will lead him to be sacked?

 

Nope

[booth]

On 16/01/2021 at 20:33, matt83 said:

I believe they relay the pitch at the end of every season. But the 28 years thing will be presumably referring to the whole system from under soil heating, to drainage, etc.

Lets call it what it is though just another excuse out of Mowbray’s big book of ridiculous excuses 

Anyone remember what the pitch was like when we went up in 1992? Not great, worse than today I'd say.
 

 

[Mattyblue]

The pitch was even worse in 1994/95. Didn’t do that side any harm.

But from then on until this regime, we had a cracking, often award winning surface.

[chaddyrovers]

33 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I don't know about anyone else but I must have spent hours over the last few weeks thinking, talking and posting about the situation and the route forward.

Anyone reckon our owners or incredibly well paid CEO have given the subject a seconds thought?

 

Yes you have spent hours over the last few weeks posting a road map and ideas for after Mowbray. You have posted some good ideas and thoughts. 

But JH, has been posted by Kamy that Venkys are happy with Mowbray as manager and aren't looking to make a change.

Have Venkys thought about Mowbray's successor? nope. 

Waggott? maybe so or maybe not. But is it within his remit to appoint new manager or recommend the sacking of a manager? Look at what happened to Paul Hunt after his letter leaked? sacked within days

[booth]

6 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The pitch was even worse in 1994/95. Didn’t do that side any harm.

But from then on until this regime, we had a cracking, often award winning surface.

I remember it being a muddy mess at both ends of the pitch. Mowbray likes to forget the pitch is poor for both teams, not just his.

[Ghost7]

It will be a different feel after one bobbles over Kaminski's foot on Tuesday night. We have billionaire owners today, the state of the pitch, the fact it's been allowed to get to this and the length of time it will take for them to replace it is a direct reflection of where Rovers are on their list of priorities.

I doubt it will happen any time soon, although I look forward to the club proving me wrong.

[jasprovers]

15 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You as touched upon seem to have fallen into the trap of falling for what he says. If he is all about the long term, why did he sign 4 loanees this season and Downing for 12 months? You acknowledge that he has failed to improve the same achilles heel in defence that we had since promotion. Inconsistencies in selection are mainly from the injury prone players he has signed or refused to let go even when interest arose. The intangibles behind the scenes are not bearing out improvements on the pitch. And this idea of our fully fit squad is really speculative, its the argument of an underachiever in Mowbray making excuses. So many teams have had injury woes on par or worse than us this season. We will rarely if ever have a fully fit squad.

The Premier League argument is heavily flawed. There are only positives from us going up, no negatives at all. Financially is the obvious one. On the playing side, Armstrong would likely sign a new deal so we could protect that investment, Nyambe likewise. Elliott could well come back. And we would have the platform to invest sensibly and prudently, we wouldnt have to be using Gallagher, Brereton, Buckley and Rothwell every week. As long as we genuinely gave our all and tackled the league with enthusiasm rather than throwing in the towel before a ball was kicked, then even if we came back down in the first season we would be in a much better place. And there are some crap teams at the bottom of the Premier League so with savvy signings survival is not an unreachable dream. There is no genuine reasoning in being ready or not ready for the Premier League. If you get promoted you are ready, if not you are not.

If the only alternative is to keep swapping between a Kean to a Berg to an Appleton then maybe we would settle for Mowbray. But it isnt and that is hardly a ringing endorsement anyway.

Maybe I have. I understand everyone's point of view. Some bad decisions have been made, but the amount of loan players we bring in is down to us not being able to bring in transfers due to lack of funds. We've tried over the last 4 years to bring players in but have been priced out and have had to resort to bringing in loans. Most recently with Pickering and Kipre, in the past we tried to sign the likes of Mcgin. We've had to settle for Ayala and Douglas. I believe Downing was signed with the thought of a lack of leaders and to add experience to a very young dressing room after the loss of Graham and Mulgrew in the dressing room. You can't say Lenihan is a leader. Maybe he will improve now he seems to have a defensive partner he can trust but we're yet to see Lenihan act as a captain. 

I agree that money was wasted both on Breo and Gallagher, but the improvement in Breo this season has made me question whether at some point he will come through and show he is worth the price we paid for him. Gallagher has regressed yes, his touch is terrible. 

Of course I want Rovers to be back in the Prem, I would rather just go up as a team that dominates games can keep hold of the ball and can sustain itself within the Prem. I understand we need the money from being promoted. But wouldn't everyone prefer that if we were to go up that we would stay up rather than being an up and down yoyo team. 

Since being relegated from the prem, the future hasn't looked so bright for Rovers. I don't think there has been a season where I have been excited to watch Rovers every game. I know things have been dire recently but I am still excited by the prospect of having a team with a fully fit Dack and Travis in. We cant rely on Johnson to do a job every week in midfield or defence. I am excited by the likes of Armstrong, Nyambe, Rothwell, Breo, and Buckley (I know he's weak at the moment but he'll get stronger and more powerful). 

I would give TM till the end of the season to make a real push for promotion. Anything outside the top 8 is a failure. Even if we were just to miss out on the playoffs. I believe the likes of Arma, Rothwell and Nyambe would be convinced to stay if Mowbray stayed. I think we're at greater risk of losing them and not being able to bring players if we get rid of Mowbray now.