Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Blue blood]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Haha - breathe lads BREATHE!!

Mowbray is going to defend his position and his job because HE believes he can turn this around. That doesn’t make him immoral or dare I say it, ‘Kean-esque’. It makes him human. Every single one of us would do the same in his position.

His comment about a section of our fans who will never be happy is TRUE. Some of that section post regularly in here for Christ sake!! Maybe it’s not because of Shearer and Sutton or winning the PL that they feel this way but I wouldn’t argue with their existence!

 

Mate you even admit he is telling porkys about the Premier League stuff. And that's a huge problem as it makes the fans out to be entitled, ubeducated and unreasonable, which isn't true. It tells a narrative of unreasonable expectations so fans will never be happy - it completely excuses his failures by making it seem like fans have too high expectations. So yeah, I think it's a poor do because it's false, besmirches the fans and aims to manipulate the outside view of the situation. Put it this way you wouldn't be so chill if Kean or Coyle said it... 

As for a section of fans always not being happy I'd love you to name names on this one. I am sure that some posters moan more than others (perhaps I fall into that category) and maybe more than is warranted but the never happy stuff isn't true either. 

No one wasn't happy when we tonked Derby and Wycombe. No one wasn't happy we got promoted. No one was unhappy with how we did under Hughes or Souness. No one was unhappy with our cup run under Bowyer. Some fans are mainly negative but no one is never happy. 

Further holes in this are that those who like a good moan often have a particular focus, it's not about the whole situation (think of how many villain players we have had on here) which is very different from being unhappy at the whole situation. 

Also if we accept your premise that fans are always unhappy then bringing it up now is a poor argument because they have been there the previous 4 seasons and he hasn't though it is an issue. In fact if all clubs have them and it's a natural part of football it's a daft thing to complain about as it's a natural part of the game - like complaining about the weather. 

Honestly, I think it was a really low comment. It tarnishes fans, it associates all fans who aren't pleased with him into this group of unreasonable and self entitled group - which really don't exist. I get you like the manager and want to defend him, but this wouldn't be the hill I'd chose to defend. It's clearly a wrong move by TM and whilst there are other things he can be defended on, defending him on this suggests you think he can do no wrong. 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

33 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Mate you even admit he is telling porkys about the Premier League stuff. And that's a huge problem as it makes the fans out to be entitled, ubeducated and unreasonable, which isn't true. It tells a narrative of unreasonable expectations so fans will never be happy - it completely excuses his failures by making it seem like fans have too high expectations. So yeah, I think it's a poor do because it's false, besmirches the fans and aims to manipulate the outside view of the situation. Put it this way you wouldn't be so chill if Kean or Coyle said it... 

As for a section of fans always not being happy I'd love you to name names on this one. I am sure that some posters moan more than others (perhaps I fall into that category) and maybe more than is warranted but the never happy stuff isn't true either. 

No one wasn't happy when we tonked Derby and Wycombe. No one wasn't happy we got promoted. No one was unhappy with how we did under Hughes or Souness. No one was unhappy with our cup run under Bowyer. Some fans are mainly negative but no one is never happy. 

Further holes in this are that those who like a good moan often have a particular focus, it's not about the whole situation (think of how many villain players we have had on here) which is very different from being unhappy at the whole situation. 

Also if we accept your premise that fans are always unhappy then bringing it up now is a poor argument because they have been there the previous 4 seasons and he hasn't though it is an issue. In fact if all clubs have them and it's a natural part of football it's a daft thing to complain about as it's a natural part of the game - like complaining about the weather. 

Honestly, I think it was a really low comment. It tarnishes fans, it associates all fans who aren't pleased with him into this group of unreasonable and self entitled group - which really don't exist. I get you like the manager and want to defend him, but this wouldn't be the hill I'd chose to defend. It's clearly a wrong move by TM and whilst there are other things he can be defended on, defending him on this suggests you think he can do no wrong. 

 

I'm always happy after a win or a good away draw. Having said that even winning teams can be improved. The really good managers are happy with wins but they're constantly looking for ways to improve the team and their players. You should be happy with a winning team, if we ever get one, but you should never be satisfied. Rovers were happy and satisfied when we won the Prem, Mowbray was happy and satisfied when we got promoted. Look what happened then.

[Paul Mani]

1 hour ago, Blue blood said:

Mate you even admit he is telling porkys about the Premier League stuff. And that's a huge problem as it makes the fans out to be entitled, ubeducated and unreasonable, which isn't true. It tells a narrative of unreasonable expectations so fans will never be happy - it completely excuses his failures by making it seem like fans have too high expectations. So yeah, I think it's a poor do because it's false, besmirches the fans and aims to manipulate the outside view of the situation. Put it this way you wouldn't be so chill if Kean or Coyle said it... 

As for a section of fans always not being happy I'd love you to name names on this one. I am sure that some posters moan more than others (perhaps I fall into that category) and maybe more than is warranted but the never happy stuff isn't true either. 

No one wasn't happy when we tonked Derby and Wycombe. No one wasn't happy we got promoted. No one was unhappy with how we did under Hughes or Souness. No one was unhappy with our cup run under Bowyer. Some fans are mainly negative but no one is never happy. 

Further holes in this are that those who like a good moan often have a particular focus, it's not about the whole situation (think of how many villain players we have had on here) which is very different from being unhappy at the whole situation. 

Also if we accept your premise that fans are always unhappy then bringing it up now is a poor argument because they have been there the previous 4 seasons and he hasn't though it is an issue. In fact if all clubs have them and it's a natural part of football it's a daft thing to complain about as it's a natural part of the game - like complaining about the weather. 

Honestly, I think it was a really low comment. It tarnishes fans, it associates all fans who aren't pleased with him into this group of unreasonable and self entitled group - which really don't exist. I get you like the manager and want to defend him, but this wouldn't be the hill I'd chose to defend. It's clearly a wrong move by TM and whilst there are other things he can be defended on, defending him on this suggests you think he can do no wrong. 

 

I appreciate everything you said and respect your opinion. But my opinion is that there are a section of fans who are / would never be happy. Just because we have differing opinions doesn’t mean I’m wrong or you’re right and it certainly doesn’t mean I think he can do no wrong.

 

[Miller11]

We discuss some of Mowbray’s comments this week on our pre match show today

https://roversradio.co.uk/listen-live
 

Particularly some of the ones that have caused the most annoyance.

Starts at 1pm

[JHRover]

I won't be happy with mid table in the Championship no. I won't be happy with wasting years making the same old mistakes rather than learning from them and making efforts to get promoted.

We might not get promotion because it is tough but that doesn't mean I should be happy to be here or accept the attempts to diminish expectations and make out like we are lucky to be in the same league as Middlesbrough and Stoke.

Does that make me entitled or never happy? I dont think so. I just expect better and want better and won't accept excuses from a failing manager. This club is capable of better and unless we demand better we won't achieve it.

The day we accept mid table as good or 'our level' then promotion can be forgotten about.

[Ewood Ace]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

But my opinion is that there are a section of fans who are / would never be happy.

As there is at every single club in the country. It's not exclusive to Rovers.

[LDRover]

5 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

As there is at every single club in the country. It's not exclusive to Rovers.

Indeed. I even read comments from Liverpool fans wanting Klopp out yesterday.

[Mattyblue]

There’s even folk mumbling about Dyche every time that lot lose a game... you know he who just ended a three year unbeaten Anfield home record and has completely transformed a club in the doldrums for decades (one year aside).

TM has it bloody easy here, be it from those ‘above’ or supporters.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Mattyblue]

On the BBC website...

If there is one man who is synonymous with red shirt of Middlesbrough, then it's Tony Mowbray.

Redcar-born, seemingly hewn from the iron ore which was mined at nearby Eston, and granite tough.’

 

I reckon we don’t make enough of his roots.

[Sparks Rover]

16 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Redcar-born, seemingly hewn from the iron ore which was mined at nearby Eston, and granite tough.’

"Rock cakes on Monday, Benno get yer pinny on "

[roversfan99]

6 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

So IF ‘they’ aren’t listening then why did he choose to do the interview? It’s completely out of character for him, right?

I wouldn’t be too hasty with with your assertions on 6 figure fees. Firstly, we’d spent our budget and so decided to go back for more. It would appear that we were given what we asked for (shock) and my feeling is that they’re waiting for Crewe to fold and do the deal they want at the end of this month. Either way, they only really need to ask for more...just like rubbing a genies lamp so I’ve heard! 

Mowbray likes to natter about football, if hes sensing pressure from anywhere it is likely to be from local media/supporters. Theres no way he is justifying his position and the specifics around it via the EFL Podcast to the owners.

What youve heard hasnt been played out by the last 10 years.

[Ewood Ace]

Never seen the bloke look so happy and smiling during the game. The Teeside air obviously agrees with him as bar the very odd decision to bring Buckley on for Johnson he had a very good day today.

[Tom]

8 year contract incoming 

[simongarnerisgod]

love his reverse physchology in taking off the goalscorer and provider right away,tony does`nt half do some strange things at odd times

[Tom]

He’s not going to be leaving anytime soon so I’m just hoping now he has one of his runs and we get back close to the top 6!

[Gav]

Well its official, Mowbray is a better manager to Warnock 😃

Boro looked awful today, tactically inept, where did the defence go for our goal? 

Onwards and upwards.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 minutes ago, Gav said:

Well its official, Mowbray is a better manager to Warnock 😃

Boro looked awful today, tactically inept, where did the defence go for our goal? 

Onwards and upwards.

 

Yes, we were much the more imaginative side; Warnock's team just lumped crosses in to the box.

[Ewood Ace]

Middlesbrough are nothing special yet they are seventh in the league and Warnock has taken them from 21st to the cusp of the play offs in months. No one in this league perhaps with the exception of Norwich are anything special, which is why Mowbray's slow build and journey speeches are such a nonsense.

[Richard Oakley]

I decided to take a break from commenting because of how I felt about Mowbray. Our early season form seems to me to prove he can do it, but our playoff spot and goal scoring output was more to stop me and others from saying 'we don't score enough;' and 'Mowbray's never got us in the playoff positions anytime we've been in the Championship'. 

This game was a must win for Mowbray's job. Whenever he's been in that position, the team's gone out and won the game for him. Yet he's not the focus of our ambitions and ought not be that of the team's. Our league position is the be all and end all.

He's the one who admits he lucked into team and formation in league one. Mowbray's the one who ensured we didn't win league one by not trying to win at Charlton. 

Mowbray is so very adroit at making himself seem indispensable. Travis and Dack do not fit in a 4-3-3 formation. Yet, Mowbray insists and persists in playing them in it. Mowbray's always right - in his own mind.

I'm not convinced Mowbray is committed to our making a promotion run this season. Mowbray's commitment to our promotion this season is a question our owners need an answer to. If Mowbray delivers us promotion this season, he's earned a season as our manager in the premier league, in my book.

I'd prefer a different manager, but that will come as no surprise to anyone on this site. I also accept that I'm not the one making the decisions. It's taken a while for that acceptance to sink in.

[Richard Oakley]

11 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Middlesbrough are nothing special yet they are seventh in the league and Warnock has taken them from 21st to the cusp of the play offs in months. No one in this league perhaps with the exception of Norwich are anything special, which is why Mowbray's slow build and journey speeches are such a nonsense.

And Norwich can't stick in the Premier League

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, Richard Oakley said:

And Norwich can't stick in the Premier League

They didn't even try to last time. You'd hope if they go up this year which I think they will, that they will give it more of a go next season.

[Richard Oakley]

2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

They didn't even try to last time. You'd hope if they go up this year which I think they will, that they will give it more of a go next season.

I'm sure their fans hope that, too!

[Mercer]

Nothing at all has changed with today's fortunate win.

IMO, we've a manager who revels in disorganised chaos.

I think the longer Mowbray stays, the longer we will be from challenging to get back into the PL.

[Mattyblue]

His 4 year anniversary is coming up, so I’m looking forward to a good run of results into mid Feb... the LT will be doing a pull out.

[Ben Frost]

21 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

This game was a must win for Mowbray's job. Whenever he's been in that position, the team's gone out and won the game for him.

It really wasn't