Tony Mowbray Discussion

[47er]

13 hours ago, Gav said:

She’s fully recovered thankfully Rev 👍

 

You relented and reordered the Guardian then Gav?!

[Mr. E]

Have to laugh at Guardiola stating projects and ideas dont exist anymore and managers are solely judged on results, in reaponse to Lampard's firing. Tony has had 4 years free reign to be experimenting with his projects and ideas without results really been expected. I guess Venkys must be the perfect owners then according to Pep.

[Leonard Venkhater]

On 25/01/2021 at 13:29, JBiz said:

TM yesterday;

“He’s a brilliant human being as well, the calmest man in the building.

“I’m just delighted that the recruitment department came up with Thomas Kaminski because he is a joy to work with every day.

“Him making saves like he does really doesn’t surprise me."

To me it just seems like a normal club finally - a recruitment department for the management to utilise if they see fit.

Signing Ayala and Pears - again, like any normal manager using old experience / contacts/ relationships to develop his team,  not “sorting his mates out”

If he is being criticised for signing players from clubs he knew - why isn’t Armstrong included since he took him to Cov twice before bringing him here?

Yes Arma should be included!

This made me think.

Most of the Rovers managers in my time have not only taken on players and staff they knew, but players they had previously managed.

From the top of my head:

Furphy-brought in Field and O'Mara, who he said he had always wanted to pair together. He brought Garbett and Endean who had been at Watford. Then he took Garbett, Field and Bradford to Sheffield Utd.

Lee-took Sir Roger and Oates to Newcastle

Smith-Svarc and Garner from Colchester

Kendall took Arnold, Bailey, Keeley (one game!) and Heaton to Everton

Saxton-Randall 

Mackay-Hendry from Dundee, Dobson and Livingstone from Coventry

Souness brought in Brad, Bjornaby, Babbel

[roversfan99]

Did Souness not also manage Tugay at Galatasary?

Even more recently, Hughes managed Bellamy and Savage with Wales, Ince signed Keith Andrews having managed him at Mk Dons, (plus he also knew Robbie Fowler from Liverpool) Allardyce signed Diouf, less sure on these but I think Appleton (Portsmouth) and Coyle (Bolton) managed Williamson and Feeney, Lambert signed Simeon Jackson, Elliott Ward and of course Bennett and even Bowyer signed Marrow and Judge who he had worked with in our reserve teams. Quite a lot of shite amidst the odd shrewd signing there.

[Blue blood]

All managers do it but it's a double edged sword for the manager as they should really know if the player is up to it or not having previously worked with them. Hence they are often judged more harshly and managers receive more criticism when they go wrong. Which is fair enough imo - if you have worked with them you should know what they are capable of. 

[oldjamfan1]

11 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Kendall took Arnold, Bailey, Keeley (one game!) and Heaton to Everton

 

Your point is well made Leonard but I'm pretty sure Bailey had already gone to Everton before Howard managed them.

[rigger]

1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Your point is well made Leonard but I'm pretty sure Bailey had already gone to Everton before Howard managed them.

Howard let Bailey go to Everton ?

[oldjamfan1]

59 minutes ago, rigger said:

Howard let Bailey go to Everton ?

I can't remember exactly when Bailey went tbh, whether it was before or after Howard joined Rovers. One thing is certain though, Kendall didn't sign Bailey for Everton, whcih made that link different to  the many other examples that had been given in the post of football managers signing their 'favourite' players. Cloughie was famous for it and signed John McGovern three times I think.

[AllRoverAsia]

14 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

I can't remember exactly when Bailey went tbh, whether it was before or after Howard joined Rovers. One thing is certain though, Kendall didn't sign Bailey for Everton, whcih made that link different to  the many other examples that had been given in the post of football managers signing their 'favourite' players. Cloughie was famous for it and signed John McGovern three times I think.

Just after. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

4 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Your point is well made Leonard but I'm pretty sure Bailey had already gone to Everton before Howard managed them.

How nicely put lol..I don't even remember what I came here to get away from!

And I knew I was WRONG, as soon as I read your post. Come to think of it, I think his last league game for Rovers was that relegation night match at Ewood, where there was a demonstration of loyalty to John Pickering.

Of course, Kendall was at Rovers for the two following seasons.... before he joined Bailey at Goodison.

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

22 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Did Souness not also manage Tugay at Galatasary?

Even more recently, Hughes managed Bellamy and Savage with Wales, Ince signed Keith Andrews having managed him at Mk Dons, (plus he also knew Robbie Fowler from Liverpool) Allardyce signed Diouf, less sure on these but I think Appleton (Portsmouth) and Coyle (Bolton) managed Williamson and Feeney, Lambert signed Simeon Jackson, Elliott Ward and of course Bennett and even Bowyer signed Marrow and Judge who he had worked with in our reserve teams. Quite a lot of shite amidst the odd shrewd signing there.

Lambert's abysmal. Bennett by far the best 

[roversfan99]

46 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Lambert's abysmal. Bennett by far the best 

Try telling Ipswich fans that. They wouldnt be so kind to call him abysmal.

[Gav]

Middlesbrough fans wanting Warnock out tonight.

‘losing 0-3 at home Rotherham, sack the ***’

The grass isn’t always greener.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Gav

[frosty]

2 minutes ago, Gav said:

Middlesbrough fans wanting Warnock out tonight.

‘losing 0-3 at home Rotherham, sack the ****, the loss to Blackburn was bearable, just, they’re a decent side, but losing to shite like Rotherham, wft’

The grass isn’t always greener.

You must have done well to find that comment somewhere! Just had a scroll through the hundreds of replies to the Middlesbrough account tweeting the final score tonight. Haven’t seen one ‘Warnock out’ or negative comment against him, and the tweet with the most likes is one fan saying how well he’s done to have that squad 7th in the league. 

I’d swap him for Mowbray tomorrow.

[roversfan99]

Where was they when he took over half a year ago? Either in the relegation zone or close to. And now in the next season they are still over us. 

[Gav]

12 minutes ago, frosty said:

You must have done well to find that comment somewhere! Just had a scroll through the hundreds of replies to the Middlesbrough account tweeting the final score tonight. Haven’t seen one ‘Warnock out’ or negative comment against him, and the tweet with the most likes is one fan saying how well he’s done to have that squad 7th in the league. 

I’d swap him for Mowbray tomorrow.

You don't have access to my email I assume frosty....

What would your reaction be to a 0-3 home loss to Rotherham?

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Gav

[oldjamfan1]

23 minutes ago, Gav said:

You don't have access to my email I assume frosty....

What would your reaction be to a 0-3 home loss to Rotherham?

 

It’s their third home defeat on the spin, all without scoring, all against teams they would expect to beat. This place would be in meltdown if Rovers did that.

[Paul Mani]

1 hour ago, frosty said:

You must have done well to find that comment somewhere! Just had a scroll through the hundreds of replies to the Middlesbrough account tweeting the final score tonight. Haven’t seen one ‘Warnock out’ or negative comment against him, and the tweet with the most likes is one fan saying how well he’s done to have that squad 7th in the league. 

I’d swap him for Mowbray tomorrow.

Honestly, I’m sure there are lots of better managers than Mowbray but Warnocks reaction to Branthwaite has put me right off him. He’s not fit to manage our great club. Regardless of his record, I’d never compromise our standards. 

[Butty]

43 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Honestly, I’m sure there are lots of better managers than Mowbray but Warnocks reaction to Branthwaite has put me right off him. He’s not fit to manage our great club. Regardless of his record, I’d never compromise our standards. 

Yeah let’s not compromise the standards that brought us Owen Coyle and Steve K**n Jesus Christ😂... Warnock has always been one of those managers who is disliked by fans of other clubs because of his passion on a match day and his outspokenness, but at most clubs he’s been even after he has left the fans at said club think very highly of him. You can’t knock his managerial record, the Branthwaite incident annoyed me at the time and was out of order from Warnock but that was obviously in the heat of the moment and he was annoyed about the result and concerned about the well-being of his player. Warnock is a top manager, criminal we didn’t appoint him when we appointed Coyle, you only have to look at what he did at Cardiff around that time and what happened to us to know how criminal a decision it was. 

[Roverthechimp]

3 hours ago, Butty said:

Yeah let’s not compromise the standards that brought us Owen Coyle and Steve K**n Jesus Christ😂... Warnock has always been one of those managers who is disliked by fans of other clubs because of his passion on a match day and his outspokenness, but at most clubs he’s been even after he has left the fans at said club think very highly of him. You can’t knock his managerial record, the Branthwaite incident annoyed me at the time and was out of order from Warnock but that was obviously in the heat of the moment and he was annoyed about the result and concerned about the well-being of his player. Warnock is a top manager, criminal we didn’t appoint him when we appointed Coyle, you only have to look at what he did at Cardiff around that time and what happened to us to know how criminal a decision it was. 

It is simple really - Warnock is a t#$@ while managing other teams but in a fight i'd want him on my side...

[AllRoverAsia]

The is a fair amount of tunnel vision on here.

Fry is over 6'2'' and got kicked in the head whilst not ducking down.

And somehow Warnock is the culprit and not the professional footballer who did it.

Ohhhhh hes a youngster, he will learn .....I worry about some of you.

If Morsy had done it there would have been a lynch mob on a bus to Boro.

Exhibit A:

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by AllRoverAsia

[frosty]

7 hours ago, Gav said:

You don't have access to my email I assume frosty....

What would your reaction be to a 0-3 home loss to Rotherham?

 

I don’t no, but ‘Middlesbrough fans’ seems a bit of a generalisation based on one email. 

It’s an abysmal result of course, but it’s happened a few months into a relatively new manager’s reign which has on the whole gone very well so far. So that’s why there’s practically zero criticism of Warnock from what I’ve seen. If it happened to us now after years of Mowbray’s ‘slow build’ and with most of us believing he’s taken us as far as he can? Different story. 

[Lucimo]

7 hours ago, Butty said:

Yeah let’s not compromise the standards that brought us Owen Coyle and Steve K**n Jesus Christ😂... Warnock has always been one of those managers who is disliked by fans of other clubs because of his passion on a match day and his outspokenness, but at most clubs he’s been even after he has left the fans at said club think very highly of him. You can’t knock his managerial record, the Branthwaite incident annoyed me at the time and was out of order from Warnock but that was obviously in the heat of the moment and he was annoyed about the result and concerned about the well-being of his player. Warnock is a top manager, criminal we didn’t appoint him when we appointed Coyle, you only have to look at what he did at Cardiff around that time and what happened to us to know how criminal a decision it was. 

I see him as a Robbie savage type from the managerial world. A bit of a wind up merchant but you love it when he's on your team. That said I quite liked savage before he played for us anyway. And you're right, if we had appointed him instead of coyle, we'd have been in a far better place. 

[K-Hod]

Warnock is a prick and always has been.

But we aren’t discussing him as a future son in law, we are discussing him as a manager of the football club. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

11 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Warnock is a prick and always has been.

But we aren’t discussing him as a future son in law, we are discussing him as a manager of the football club. 

A fair point but I suppose the question has to be : does he go so far with his behaviour that his players lose all respect for him and effectively down tools. Based on their result last night after his behaviour at the end of our game the answer may well be yes.