Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RoversClitheroe]

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Nigel Pearson was on Quest for the same reason I presume. 

Nigel Pearson is an absolutely fantastic manager. Would love him

[Gav]

I think its fair to say that most posters on the site would be over the moon to see a managerial change.

I've said on many occasions that as a club we aren't setup for promotion, far to many factors at play that make it almost impossible for us to progress, but thats just my opinion.

I was looking at the managerial merry-go-round earlier and it makes interesting reading:

Sheffield Wednesday and Bournemouth have changed managers twice this season.

Udders, Derby, Boro, Brum, Reading, Barnsley, Forest, Watford and Cardiff have changed once.

Looking at the list I would say only the change at Reading has made any significant difference, I'd also go as far as to say that they won't be in the Premiership next season either. Warnock has done well at Boro, but recent form has been awful, losing at home to us, Rotherham and Birmingham amongst others.  

Hughton at Forest has been poor, just above the relegation zone, some posters wanted him here.

It doesn't prove anything, but I think it shows that most sides in the same bracket as us financially/looking for playoff spots have seen little or no improvement by changing the manager. 

A word for Gareth Ainsworth, who some tipped to replace Mowbray, 16 points from 26 games, awful return, no thanks. 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Gav

[tomphil]

When managers have a good track record in the main then seem to go somewhere and struggle there's often more to it than meets the eye. If certain things behind the scenes here allegedly mean we aren't set up for promotion then surely it's fair to assume similar things apply to some other clubs ?

Forest are a case in point.

What track record does Mowbray have for getting teams batting away in the championship top 6 ?   Other than a one off promotion at West Brom over a decade ago ?  A West Brom with a very different starting point than us at the time i presume.

[Ewood Ace]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

Sheffield Wednesday and Bournemouth have changed managers twice this season.

Udders, Derby, Boro, Brum, Reading, Barnsley, Forest, Watford and Cardiff have changed once.

Hughton at Forest has been poor, just above the relegation zone, some posters wanted him here.

It doesn't prove anything, but I think it shows that most sides in the same bracket as us financially/looking for playoff spots have seen little or no improvement by changing the manager. 

Huddersfield have not changed managers this season, nor have Reading, nor have Boro and neither have Birmingham.  The clubs who have changed managers this season are Watford, Forest, Wednesday (twice), Derby, Cardiff, Barnsley and Bournemouth although they haven't yet appointed a new manager and have only changed once not twice as you stated.

Forest were in the relegation zone when Hughton took over now they are 18th and going well now Hughton has had a window to bring some of his players in. Derby were rock bottom when Cocu was sacked and are now out of the relegation zone and their defence has been significantly tightened up. Barnsley were 21st when their manager left now they sit 12th. Cardiff have only had 3 games with McCarthy but are unbeaten with 5 points from 3 games they had only taken 3 points from the previous 7 games before that. Bournemouth are yet to bring anyone in although they got there first win in a while yesterday after sacking the previous incumbent. Watford were 5th when they sacked their manager and are 5th now. Wednesday were 23rd when they sacked both of theirs and still sit 23rd. What that says to me is that no side this season that have sacked a manager have got worse and a fair few of them have improved. We know we have reached our ceiling with Mowbray, surely it's time to see if we can get someone into improve us. 

1 hour ago, Gav said:

A word for Gareth Ainsworth, who some tipped to replace Mowbray, 16 points from 26 games, awful return, no thanks. 

A remarkable achievement by him that Wycombe are even at this level. They've spent most their recent years in League 2 and have never been in the second tier of English football in their entire history so it is a remarkable job he has done just to have them in this division. Their squad is mainly composed of free transfers with a few young loan players. In 8 years at Wycombe he has barely spent a penny on transfer fees. The clubs record transfer fee was £200K back in 1999, that's just over 3 times less than what we paid for a full back to loan back to league 1.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Ewood Ace

[arbitro]

37 minutes ago, Gav said:

I think its fair to say that most posters on the site would be over the moon to see a managerial change.

I've said on many occasions that as a club we aren't setup for promotion, far to many factors at play that make it almost impossible for us to progress, but thats just my opinion.

I was looking at the managerial merry-go-round earlier and it makes interesting reading:

Sheffield Wednesday and Bournemouth have changed managers twice this season.

Udders, Derby, Boro, Brum, Reading, Barnsley, Forest, Watford and Cardiff have changed once.

Looking at the list I would say only the change at Reading has made any significant difference, I'd also go as far as to say that they won't be in the Premiership next season either. Warnock has done well at Boro, but recent form has been awful, losing at home to us, Rotherham and Birmingham amongst others.  

Hughton at Forest has been poor, just above the relegation zone, some posters wanted him here.

It doesn't prove anything, but I think it shows that most sides in the same bracket as us financially/looking for playoff spots have seen little or no improvement by changing the manager. 

A word for Gareth Ainsworth, who some tipped to replace Mowbray, 16 points from 26 games, awful return, no thanks. 

 

This season, in my view was the best opportunity we have had since relegation from the PL to get promoted. I genuinely think we have a top six squad but we are falling short because we haven't got a manager who can utilise the potential we have. Mowbrays failings have held us back this season but even looking forwards the summer will represent another huge upheaval of the squad when the loan players and out of contract players leave. If we stick with Mowbray the oven ready excuses are there even for next season. To give us a chance this season we simply have to try something different and only a new manager can bring that. The opportunity is still there but that will recede as the weeks go by.

Any change of manager brings risk with it but we are stagnant and Mowbray, in my opinion just doesn't have what it takes to take us further.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

This is a perfect time to bring a new manager in. I don't think we'll go down, although our current form ( not results ) is awful. Time to assess the squad, sort out who he wants and who he doesn't, and begin building for a push on next season.

This guy has lost the plot and under any other Rovers board he would have been down the road long ago.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[JHRover]

I really wonder at times what Mowbray's focus and priorities are as manager of this club.

He doesn't strike me as a 'win at all costs' manager, prepared to do whatever is necessary to go home with 3 points in the bag. Of course he "wants" to win every week but if he doesn't he doesn't strike me as someone who will have a sleepless night over it and he isn't prepared to compromise on his "principles" to try and do it.

Another example yesterday - there was no doubt, none whatsoever, that the lad from City was going to make an appearance at some stage. Mowbray has tied himself up by bringing him in having promised Man City he will get game time and I'd expect the loan agreement to contain penalty clauses if he doesn't play. Even if not he won't want to jeopardise things with Guardiola. He will want to send him back in the summer with Guardiola purring with delight at his development at Rovers, earning Mowbray and the club positive PR and putting us high on the list for future loans.

Thats all well and good. But the minute the manager starts making selections and substitutions on the above basis is the point at which results cease to be the priority, because decisions are being made with a focus beyond the game and result. 

If we'd have been 1-0 up instead the City lad would have come on and Nyambe would likely have been the sacrificial lamb.

Mowbray will toddle off to India and tell them tales of how he has built up links with Pep, Jurgen and Carlo and how we will get more emerging stars on loan in the future but at the same time we stay in the Championship and alienate our own academy products making way. Nyambe will leave for nothing or a token fee which makes the building talk nonsense 

[Mercer]

My views on Mowbray have been well versed since he was even appointed.

As each match goes by, even 'die-hard' supporters like @Parsonblueare realising Mowbray is not the answer.

'Slow build' and 'evolution' are just trite soundbites with self preservation, IMO, being Mowbray's key objective.

I think we are way behind the footballing curve due to our managerial dinosaur.

Even 'the last of the Mohicans' @chaddyroversmust realise it's time for the club to end this, IMO, managerial farce and disaster.

   

[Gav]

58 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Huddersfield have not changed managers this season, nor have Reading, nor have Boro and neither have Birmingham.

Pedantry in full swing as usual EA, the points still stand, Covid date changes not withstanding 👍

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, Gav said:

Pedantry in full swing as usual EA, the points still stand, Covid date changes not withstanding 👍

Not really they made changes before for the new season started. So the changes were not made this season.

[RoversClitheroe]

32 minutes ago, Mercer said:

My views on Mowbray have been well versed since he was even appointed.

As each match goes by, even 'die-hard' supporters like @Parsonblueare realising Mowbray is not the answer.

'Slow build' and 'evolution' are just trite soundbites with self preservation, IMO, being Mowbray's key objective.

I think we are way behind the footballing curve due to our managerial dinosaur.

Even 'the last of the Mohicans' @chaddyroversmust realise it's time for the club to end this, IMO, managerial farce and disaster.

   

Agreed. 

And in my opinion, I'm starting to dislike Mowbray to Kean levels.

[chaddyrovers]

35 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Even 'the last of the Mohicans' @chaddyroversmust realise it's time for the club to end this, IMO, managerial farce and disaster.

sadly not Mercer. 

Mowbray time at the club hasn't come to end at all. 

One defeat and the board is back to meltdown after 10 points from last 4 games. 

His time at the club hasn't been managerial farce or disaster at all. and its injustice to the job he has done at the club. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

38 minutes ago, Mercer said:

it's time for the club to end this, IMO, managerial farce and disaster.

FFS! The football side of the club is in better shape than when he took over. It's not a 'farce and disaster' by any stretch of the imagination. You are hysterical. Have a red and calm the feck down😉

[Gav]

13 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

And in my opinion, I'm starting to dislike Mowbray to Kean levels.

Jesus wept....

Did you support the club when king rat was here?

[Blue blood]

@Gav won't quote whole post but I think you are doing a number of managers there a disservice. 

Wycombe has already been highlighted - bit surprised given how much you say we can't compete financially, that you haven't factored this in for them. 

The two I would disagree with are Boro and Barnsley. Boro have seen a bigger jump in 1 year with Warnock then TM has managed in three. What does that say for TMs ability? Also the Barnsley chap with very limited resources (again why isn't this factored in for other clubs?) has got them as a comfortable mid table side. Quite an achievement imo. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

sadly not Mercer. 

Mowbray time at the club hasn't come to end at all. 

One defeat and the board is back to meltdown after 10 points from last 4 games. 

His time at the club hasn't been managerial farce or disaster at all. and its injustice to the job he has done at the club. 

The football on show is crap and putting to one side the battering of ten man teams earlier in the season it has been for a while. The team looks like a team that is bemused by what is being expected of it. If they are playing for him now I'd hate to see us when they stop playing for him.

[davulsukur]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

sadly not Mercer. 

Mowbray time at the club hasn't come to end at all. 

One defeat and the board is back to meltdown after 10 points from last 4 games. 

His time at the club hasn't been managerial farce or disaster at all. and its injustice to the job he has done at the club. 

It should be coming to an end though. He can't break the glass ceiling of 7/8th place. 

His set ups and formations are confusing and rarely work and now we are chopping and changing between 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-2-2-2 (wtf is that formation all about?) It's mental. 

I see we reverted to the tried and failed false 9 bullshit again yesterday.

There is no consistent plan and its leading to no consistency on the pitch. 

We need a change if we are to ever have a realistic chance of promotion.

Edited February 7, 2021 by davulsukur

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

We've scored 10 goals in the last 10 games. For a team 'built on an attacking platform' that's a very poor return.

[Wheelton Blue]

32 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

sadly not Mercer. 

Mowbray time at the club hasn't come to end at all. 

One defeat and the board is back to meltdown after 10 points from last 4 games. 

His time at the club hasn't been managerial farce or disaster at all. and its injustice to the job he has done at the club. 

All managers have a shelf life at any club. Mowbray has generally done a decent job, but after 3 seasons now in the Championship, it's obvious he's not taking us any further. That's no slur on him, it's just the reality of his level of ability.

[chaddyrovers]

24 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The football on show is crap and putting to one side the battering of ten man teams earlier in the season it has been for a while. The team looks like a team that is bemused by what is being expected of it. If they are playing for him now I'd hate to see us when they stop playing for him.

Results are all that matters. Yes I want us to play good football but not always possible, 

You have no idea if the team look bemused at all. I dont see how you post such comments from watching a stream of a game if thats how you watch the game. 

23 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

It should be coming to an end though. He can't break the glass ceiling of 7/8th place. 

His set ups and formations are confusing and rarely work and now we are chopping and changing between 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-2-2-2 (wtf is that formation all about?) It's mental. 

I see we reverted to the tried and failed false 9 bullshit again yesterday.

There is no consistent plan and its leading to no consistency on the pitch. 

We need a change if we are to ever have a realistic chance of promotion.

The owners have sanction Mowbray to sign a player for next season so its appear he will be here next season. 

I dont see how any of them formations are confusing tbh. 

4-2-2-2 is used by Hasenhuttl at Southampton regular there and at his previous clubs. 

I watched Ancelotti change formation twice in 10 minutes at Old Trafford when different subs came on. The players understood what he wanted and how to do it. They got a point yesterday. They started 4-1-2-1-2 then change to 4-2-3-1 when Sigurdsson came on then minutes later he change to 4-4-2 when Josh King came on.  

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Results are all that matters. Yes I want us to play good football but not always possible, 

You have no idea if the team look bemused at all. I dont see how you post such comments from watching a stream of a game if thats how you watch the game. 

The owners have sanction Mowbray to sign a player for next season so its appear he will be here next season. 

I dont see how any of them formations are confusing tbh. 

4-2-2-2 is used by Hasenhuttl at Southampton regular there and at his previous clubs. 

I watched Ancelotti change formation twice in 10 minutes at Old Trafford when different subs came on. The players understood what he wanted and how to do it. They got a point yesterday. They started 4-1-2-1-2 then change to 4-2-3-1 when Sigurdsson came on then minutes later he change to 4-4-2 when Josh King came on.  

 

You're obsessed with systems. It's 11 versus 11. You get your 11 to win their individual battles against their immediate opponents and happy days are here again. If you don't do that you're more likely to lose than win. Coherent systems of play help but they're not the be all and end all. The further up the food chain you are regarding the ability of your players the smarter you can be tactically. If you're shopping in Pound World you're better of deciding on a way of playing and sticking to it. Dyche has done well at the dingledome with a very average group of players by having a way of playing and sticking to it.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You're obsessed with systems. It's 11 versus 11. You get your 11 to win their individual battles against their immediate opponents and happy days are here again. If you don't do that you're more likely to lose than win. Coherent systems of play help but they're not the be all and end all. The further up the food chain you are regarding the ability of your players the smarter you can be tactically. If you're shopping in Pound World you're better of deciding on a way of playing and sticking to it. Dyche has done well at the dingledome with a very average group of players by having a way of playing and sticking to it.

Who obsessed with Systems? 

I just commented at what Ancelotti did yesterday. 

Your obsessed with Dyche and the dingles down the road. 

[tomphil]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Results are all that matters. Yes I want us to play good football but not always possible, 

You have no idea if the team look bemused at all. I dont see how you post such comments from watching a stream of a game if thats how you watch the game. 

The owners have sanction Mowbray to sign a player for next season so its appear he will be here next season. 

I dont see how any of them formations are confusing tbh. 

4-2-2-2 is used by Hasenhuttl at Southampton regular there and at his previous clubs. 

I watched Ancelotti change formation twice in 10 minutes at Old Trafford when different subs came on. The players understood what he wanted and how to do it. They got a point yesterday. They started 4-1-2-1-2 then change to 4-2-3-1 when Sigurdsson came on then minutes later he change to 4-4-2 when Josh King came on.  

 

I agree he'll be here next season come what may but i don't think the sanctioning of Pickering has anything to do with it.

It sounds like the recruitment team can bring in these types for the future if it gets signed off upstairs. 

[Ewood Ace]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I watched Ancelotti change formation twice in 10 minutes at Old Trafford when different subs came on. The players understood what he wanted and how to do it. They got a point yesterday. They started 4-1-2-1-2 then change to 4-2-3-1 when Sigurdsson came on then minutes later he change to 4-4-2 when Josh King came on.  

The difference is Ancelotti is an excellent tactical manager who has won 3 Champions League's and multiple domestic trophies all over Europe. He knows what he is doing and looking for when he changes his system. Mowbray on the other hand has no idea tactically how to change a game he just throws on as many attackers on as possible and hopes for some individual brilliance from one of them to bail him out.

If Mowbray was behind like Ancelotti last night he wouldn't have made a few little tactical tweaks he'd have had 5 or 6 attackers on the pitch with no shape or structure whatsoever just an over complicated mess.

[Dolly blue]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

sadly not Mercer. 

Mowbray time at the club hasn't come to end at all. 

One defeat and the board is back to meltdown after 10 points from last 4 games. 

His time at the club hasn't been managerial farce or disaster at all. and its injustice to the job he has done at the club. 

Chaddy .....I cannot believe that you feel this message board goes

“ into meltdown after 10 points from 4 games “ ......get a grip man ....Most posts convey a far bigger picture... the journey, the slow build, the inability to progress a player, limited tactical awareness, square pegs / round holes, a team which mirrors his demeanour, some weary signings, a slow death , jam tomorrow ......bugger all to do with the last 4 games .....where have you been for the last 3 plus years ????????

Mowbray is one lucky man that Ewood is empty....he’s had far  too easy a ride .... don’t be sucked in with the last 4 games....did you actually WATCH the performances ??????