Tony Mowbray Discussion

[G Somerset Rover]

38 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

That's not solely down to Mowbray but he and his staff undeniably have a part to play. 

It’s absolutely down to Mowbray and his coaching team to organise us from set pieces. The best managers get it right and reap the rewards. I’m fed up of seeing us concede from set pieces what feels like weekly while offering zero threat from ours. One goal scored all season from them and 9+ conceded. Tells you everything you need to know about our manager. 

Edited February 13, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Wegerleswiggle]

All this talk of keeping Mowbray so players sign contracts is rubbish. If he went and we brought in somebody that improved performances and ultimately results, would that not be more appealing to players and encourage them to stay??

[G Somerset Rover]

Geniunely intrigued - I certainly didn’t see it, but did he get off his chair once during the game that anyone saw? Something doesn’t smell right. Even if he does have the hump with the V’s, as we know all too well, it doesn’t mean they’ll put him out of his misery.

Edited February 13, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[darrenrover]

3 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Wouldn't worry about budgets, the current top 6 all got a bigger budget then us so by that logic we are where we should be.

Says who?

Is your accuracy regarding player sizes similar to your knowledge of Championship Club's budgets?

[darrenrover]

1 hour ago, Wood26 said:

My biggest concern with Mowbray going before summer is the state of the squad. Despite what fans think, they are a close group, and a lot have loyalty to Mowbray. We have too many contracts that need sorting first. Mulgrew, Graham and Smallwood were big charachters in the dressing room. Bennett too and cant see him staying.

Armstrong will be loyal to Mowbray, Travis we know is. 

Sack him now, we risk disrupting the whole squad, and losing the likes of Rothwell and Nyambe on free and Armstrong could be lured away.

Tie up the squad, see out season, if we dont make play offs, make a change.

 

 

On what facts do you base your opinion regarding Mowbray's "popularity" with the players?

The fact is, none of them understand his logic and most think he is a knob!

[Wood26]

4 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

On what facts do you base your opinion regarding Mowbray's "popularity" with the players?

The fact is, none of them understand his logic and most think he is a knob!

On what fact do you base players think hes a Knob?

There is countless comments from players talking up the group

[darrenrover]

2 hours ago, Wood26 said:

They do know, and of course they are coached. Someone didn't win their header, it's that simple.

We are vulnerable, we have a small side.

🤔

Thomas Kaminski - 6'3"            Lewis Travis - 6' 1/2"

Jarrad Branthwaite - 6'5"          Sam Gallagher - 6' 4"

Darragh Lenihan - 6'2"

Are you expecting us to sign Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Michael Jordan and the like?

Absolute hogwash!!

Edited February 13, 2021 by darrenrover

[darrenrover]

1 minute ago, Wood26 said:

On what fact do you base players think hes a Knob?

There is countless comments from players talking up the group

Let's just say that I'm right and you're wrong, ok!

[Wood26]

10 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Says who?

Is your accuracy regarding player sizes similar to your knowledge of Championship Club's budgets?

Have a look how much the top 6 spent last couple years and come back to me

[darrenrover]

Just now, Wood26 said:

Have a look how much the top 6 spent last couple years and come back to me

Aye ok sunshine. It's not just about "spend" is it? What do you include in your figure of what was "spent"?

Toddle off and cart on with your Opta statistics.

[darrenrover]

7 minutes ago, Wood26 said:

Have a look how much the top 6 spent last couple years and come back to me

We're 11 points above the relegation places and 18 behind the mighty Brentford in 1st place: What does that tell you?

[Richard Oakley]

1 hour ago, Wood26 said:

My biggest concern with Mowbray going before summer is the state of the squad. Despite what fans think, they are a close group, and a lot have loyalty to Mowbray. We have too many contracts that need sorting first. Mulgrew, Graham and Smallwood were big charachters in the dressing room. Bennett too and cant see him staying.

Armstrong will be loyal to Mowbray, Travis we know is. 

Sack him now, we risk disrupting the whole squad, and losing the likes of Rothwell and Nyambe on free and Armstrong could be lured away.

Tie up the squad, see out season, if we dont make play offs, make a change.

 

 

I think there might be quite a few on here willing to volunteer to tie up the squad, literally. At least then you'd be sure they were in their correct places.

Dack's returned from a serious injury. You know he isn't match fit. You plan to take 3-4 games to build him up to a full match. You know you're going to substitute him. Having to play all your loanees every week is disruptive to the squad. Trybull would have to be played, if fit, too.

I'd want someone with nous and experience pulling the strings in midfield like Downing. I like the spine Kaminski-Lenihan-Travis-Dack-Armstrong. Dolan and Elliott either side of Dack. A back four of Douglas Branthwaite/THB and Nyambe. Currently 2 enforced substitutions. Set up to be on the front foot. Probably Rothwell for Dack.

Why would Rothwell and Nyambe want to return?  I am sure being substituted most weeks for non-footballing reasons is not building Nyambe's character. The squad will break up at the end of the season unless given a reason to want to stick around. The playoffs aren't within reach with Mowbray as manager.

Shaking up the squad is what is needed. Now. A change of manager is what is needed.

[AllRoverAsia]

Mowbray is just repeating the chaos he caused at Celtic and Coventry.

Will we never learn.

If anyone doubts the above just read up on it. I'm not doing it yet again.

[Mattyblue]

We can keep talking about what he inherited, L1 and the like. But he’s had 4 years, never needed to sell a player, free reign at the club, new scouting set ups, Brockhall investments and on it goes. 

We’ve been back in this league three seasons and are now pretty much we’re we’ve always been this decade - second division mid table, and nothing says to me that season four will be any different.

Mowbray or whoever as manager, at what stage do these owners actually expect some bang for their buck? Can there be any other club where this seeming largesse leads to so little? Or perhaps even stranger, is there any other club where these never ending capital injections are pumped in, yet with no obvious expectations of progress or tangible success on the pitch being required?
 

[den]

56 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

We can keep talking about what he inherited, L1 and the like. But he’s had 4 years, never needed to sell a player, free reign at the club, new scouting set ups, Brockhall investments and on it goes. 

We’ve been back in this league three seasons and are now pretty much we’re we’ve always been this decade - second division mid table, and nothing says to me that season four will be any different.

Mowbray or whoever as manager, at what stage do these owners actually expect some bang for their buck? Can there be any other club where this seeming largesse leads to so little? Or perhaps even stranger, is there any other club where these never ending capital injections are pumped in, yet with no obvious expectations of progress or tangible success on the pitch being required?
 

This is where the CEO comes into his own and advises the owners as to what needs doing and when. He’s got to point out to them the consequences of doing nothing - to both results and their investment.

Anyone at all on this site believe that’s happening?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Has he not gone yet?...I can't wait to see and listen to a new manager in charge.

I want to start believing in this Club again.

 

Edited February 13, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[darrenrover]

2 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Has he not gone yet?...I can't wait to see and listen to a new manager in charge.

 

WE WANT SOUEY OR SPARKY AS DOF and JOHNNO AS MANAGER!!

Feck off Mowbray!!

WE ARE The Rovers!!!

[Mattyblue]

58 minutes ago, den said:

This is where the CEO comes into his own and advises the owners as to what needs doing and when. He’s got to point out to them the consequences of doing nothing - to both results and their investment.

Anyone at all on this site believe that’s happening?

No, but that seemingly is how they want it. They have employed a series of non entities and spivs with little executive power for a decade and the result speaks for itself.

The 200 million pound question with this lot as always is, why?

[Ulrich]

After 10 years plus of their drivel and 'mistakes', I would have thought most would have figured it out.

They are clearly dingles in disguise.

[darrenrover]

26 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

No, but that seemingly is how they want it. They have employed a series of non entities and spivs with little executive power for a decade and the result speaks for itself.

The 200 million pound question with this lot as always is, why?

I wish I had a mere fraction of that at my disposal just to 'save face'!

[martonrover]

5 hours ago, Wood26 said:

My biggest concern with Mowbray going before summer is the state of the squad. Despite what fans think, they are a close group, and a lot have loyalty to Mowbray. We have too many contracts that need sorting first. Mulgrew, Graham and Smallwood were big charachters in the dressing room. Bennett too and cant see him staying.

Armstrong will be loyal to Mowbray, Travis we know is. 

Sack him now, we risk disrupting the whole squad, and losing the likes of Rothwell and Nyambe on free and Armstrong could be lured away.

Tie up the squad, see out season, if we dont make play offs, make a change.

 

 

To the contrary, I think the only chance of Nyambe staying, and possibly the others, is to change the manager.

Ambitious players will not want to stay if Mowbray does.

[Mattyblue]

Four teenagers on the pitch at full time, only one is even our player. 

That tells me we certainly aren’t on a ‘journey’ and so many young players just won’t lead to short term success in a brutal league like this either.

Just muddled thinking throughout the club and millions being thrown down the toilet in the process.
 

[Lucimo]

6 hours ago, Wood26 said:

My biggest concern with Mowbray going before summer is the state of the squad. Despite what fans think, they are a close group, and a lot have loyalty to Mowbray. We have too many contracts that need sorting first. Mulgrew, Graham and Smallwood were big charachters in the dressing room. Bennett too and cant see him staying.

Armstrong will be loyal to Mowbray, Travis we know is. 

Sack him now, we risk disrupting the whole squad, and losing the likes of Rothwell and Nyambe on free and Armstrong could be lured away.

Tie up the squad, see out season, if we dont make play offs, make a change.

 

 

There is more chance Nyambe will stay if TM goes. Nyambe is TMs scapegoat constantly, there is no loyalty to the manager there I'm afraid. Armstrong has over the years had a seemingly close relationship with TM but I don't think that will be enough to entice him to extend his deal. He wants Premier league football and he must realise its not happening here with TM in charge. And if he doesn't, his agent will for sure!!

[Ewood Ace]

5 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Have a look how much the top 6 spent last couple years and come back to me

In the 3 season since we have been back in the Championship Swansea have spent about £8 Million, in the same time we have spent £15 Million just on strikers. In the last 2 seasons with Cooper in charge they have spent  £2.2 Million on transfers so less than half of what we spent just on Sam Gallagher in that same period.

Reading in the 3 years since we have been back in the Championship have spent around the same as us although their net spend is a fair bit less than ours. 

Brentford have made a significant profit in terms of transfers because they are always forced to sell their best players something that has never happened to Mowbray. 

Norwich are only in a position to spend money because they got to the Premiership but Farke got them into the Prem by spending less than Mowbray has already spent and he had two of his best player sold in Murphy and Maddison.

[J*B]

After 28 games -

18/19 - 40 points, 6 off playoffs
19/20 - 40 points, 5 off playoffs 
20/21 - 39 points, 6 off playoffs