Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Neil Weaver]

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Nixon has never been right twice in a day. 

You say that as though it's a total contrast to Mercer

[Mattyblue]

It’s the change in demeanour in recent weeks that is interesting. A real sense of him losing that ‘jumpers for goalposts’, ‘Mr Football’ routine, currently it looks and sounds like a bloke going through the motions.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Mattyblue

[booth]

36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

If the owners have no faith in Mowbray they wouldn't had authorised 3 signings in the January window. Plus comments made by Kamy on here about Venkys likely Mowbray and those 2 journalists over the weekend tell you Mowbray is safe. 

I've no doubt he's safe but I'd say signing players is more likely to lead to a sacking rather than preventing it. We've got worse!

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

31 minutes ago, Neil Weaver said:

You say that as though it's a total contrast to Mercer

Does Nixon know his way round Whalley Wine Shop? 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

23 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

It’s the change in demeanour in recent weeks that is interesting. A real sense of him losing that ‘jumpers for goalposts’, ‘Mr Football’ routine, currently it looks and sounds like a bloke going through the motions.

Bayes said as much after the game.  A cynic might say that Mowbray was more fed up after that loss because it was on Sky and his team were humbled in front of a lot more people than normal. The national media myth that he plays good football was exposed for what is is. 

[Crimpshrine]

52 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Do you think he forgot about needing a RB or do you actually think he intended to play him there? Honestly, I don’t know 

I thought he maybe got his squad numbers mixed up and he meant to sub Gallagher when Elliott went on and was then going to bring Nyambe off for Harwood-Bellis. Being so far away from the action and the fourth official, and not paying too much attention, it took him a while realise who had actually left the field in the first instance.- If that is the case it's a sackable offence.

On the other hand, if he intended to play Gallagher at right back that's also a sackable offence!

Beyond a joke now.

 

[booth]

7 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

I thought he maybe got his squad numbers mixed up and he meant to sub Gallagher when Elliott went on and was then going to bring Nyambe off for Harwood-Bellis. Being so far away from the action and the fourth official, and not paying too much attention, it took him a while realise who had actually left the field in the first instance.- If that is the case it's a sackable offence.

On the other hand, if he intended to play Gallagher at right back that's also a sackable offence!

Beyond a joke now.

 

He spent £5m on him too, managers have been sacked for less.

[JHRover]

Cynical hat on again but I see that they've just announced John Buckley has signed a "long term" deal. If I didn't know better I'd say this announcement ties in with the increasing pressure and scrutiny on Mowbray from the fans.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

10 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Cynical hat on again but I see that they've just announced John Buckley has signed a "long term" deal. If I didn't know better I'd say this announcement ties in with the increasing pressure and scrutiny on Mowbray from the fans.

Sparks will be delighted. I think he was worried we'd lose him to a Prem club. 

[Mattyblue]

39 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Bayes said as much after the game.  A cynic might say that Mowbray was more fed up after that loss because it was on Sky and his team were humbled in front of a lot more people than normal. The national media myth that he plays good football was exposed for what is is. 

He shouldn’t worry about that, doesn’t matter how many times we stink out the place on Sky, the same old ‘has his teams playing good football’ tropes will be trotted out next time we’re on...

[G Somerset Rover]

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Sparks will be delighted. I think he was worried we'd lose him to a Prem club. 

That’s Mani isn’t it? Bucko‘s number one fan. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

43 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

That’s Mani isn’t it? Bucko‘s number one fan. 

I was being sarcastic mate. 

I actually rate Bucko so I'm glad he's signed. 

[Paul Mani]

2 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

That’s Mani isn’t it? Bucko‘s number one fan. 

Nope. Hate to burst your bubble but I’ve never really rated him.

15 months ago I said that i knew the club rated him as the best young player they had. They had fielded enquiries from PL clubs for him and there were two PL clubs there in the lounge who were at the match to watch him. The numbers being handed about in terms of what it would take to get him was  “8 figures” (direct quote). At the time Buckley hadn’t played much at all in the first team and so I didn’t get it and basically passed on the info.

In fairness, since that day my info has been proven right in terms of what they think about him as he is the most used player of any from the u23’s and they compliment him at every opportunity. I still haven’t seen in him what they do but that’s the reality of this matter.

[LDRover]

12 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Nope. Hate to burst your bubble but I’ve never really rated him.

15 months ago I said that i knew the club rated him as the best young player they had. They had fielded enquiries from PL clubs for him and there were two PL clubs there in the lounge who were at the match to watch him. The numbers being handed about in terms of what it would take to get him was  “8 figures” (direct quote). At the time Buckley hadn’t played much at all in the first team and so I didn’t get it and basically passed on the info.

In fairness, since that day my info has been proven right in terms of what they think about him as he is the most used player of any from the u23’s and they compliment him at every opportunity. I still haven’t seen in him what they do but that’s the reality of this matter.

Don't want to burst your bubble but you do know this site has a search function don't you?

Or when you said 'you loved Bucko' you meant it literally?

[RevidgeBlue]

On Mowbray I've been wondering recently if he would have been regarded as fondly by the owners and sections of the fan base if, instead of being relegated, he'd succeeded in his originally allotted task of keeping us up then followed that up with the same finishes of 15th, 10th and another likely mid table finish.

To met I reckon that would actually  have been slightly more of an achievement but I suspect it would have been generally regarded as bang average at best and pretty damp poor at worst.

The heavily bankrolled promotion from League 1 seems to have given a distorted view of Mowbray's managerial capabilities. Whilst he deserved credit for it it would have been a colossal failure had we not been promoted on that budget.

 

[JHRover]

To be honest pretty much every reason the 'Mowbray in' group give for wanting him to stay revolves around side issues or non-footballing issues.

Getting us out of League One 3 years ago - a good job yes - but not relevant to 2021 and our future if we are an upwardly looking/mobile club or planning on continuing to lose 20 million a year - for that sort of money we simply have to be looking forward rather than behind and looking to the Prem rather than being happy with mid-table. If we were breaking even, selling our best players or balancing the books with minimal debt like Brentford, Preston, Millwall and co. then there might be more patience to float around at this level.

That Mowbray has delivered stability/sanity/been better than Coyle - again all might be true but there's something wrong if these are the best arguments for keeping him. Venkys are meant to have learned tough lessons and Mowbray will leave of his own volition sooner or later even if we don't sack him. So what happens then?

He's put in place scouting/recruitment/coaching that we didn't have before - again all maybe true - but why does that prevent another manager doing the same or progressing further? Why is he the only manager in the world willing or able to do these things? Are we supposed to believe that nobody else would have signed a few decent players, bought some computers and drones and employed the services of a European scout? I mean these are bog standard elements of 21st century football not reinventing the wheel yet Mowbray would have people think he's a pioneer in management.

For me it comes down to this - loyalty only gets you so far in this game. Make no mistake if by some miracle Mowbray was offered a Premier League job tomorrow or indeed even at his beloved Middlesbrough or some 'massive' club like Stoke or Forest (I jest) then he'd be on the motorway in no time. Then we would have to find a new manager potentially at a much more difficult or inconvenient time and we'd get nothing for our loyalty to him. Likewise he might decide in 6-12 months that he's had enough of the pressures of management and want to go and retire and spend time with his wife and kids. Again that's fair enough, but we'd be in the same boat as firing him only at a more difficult point.

At least if it is done between now and April we can take our time weighing up options, move when one becomes available and approach the market from a position of strength rather than weakness.

 

[LDRover]

On 06/11/2019 at 12:40, Paul Mani said:

He will finish up playing with Trav in the middle as a deep lying pivot. A Busquets type who has time on the ball. 
 

He will go on to play in the Prem. imo.

My own personal favourite. 

But, no, he's never rated him. No sirreeeee

[LDRover]

On 03/11/2019 at 08:15, Paul Mani said:

I think you’ll find it’s an opinion. I love Bucko. I’ve been harping on about him for  months but I’m not sure he even touched the ball until he scored the winner. The match 100% turned on Tosins goal.

I agree with and like quite a bit of your stuff and you talk sense. But ultimately your post last night was wrong. The manager had a good day yesterday. He set a team up well to nullify and better a decent side. He made proactive substitutes before their lucky goal and both Graham and Rothwell were positive influences on the match. His summer signing Tosin (who was absolutely amazing) gets the equaliser and the young lad who he’s had practicing his finishing all week comes on and gets the winner.

By somehow spinning this into yet another negative view on Mowbray it just weakens your / our argument. Because any person at the game today will accept that he did his job well.

Does that mean he’s the right man to take us on? Probably not. 

Ah....bless

[tomphil]

The squad Mowbray has helped put together is light years away from Coyles misfits.

Yes it wasn't all clownpants doing but a better manager would've kept us up over a season. Mowbray included, however some of the stuff churned out on the pitch like that mixed up rudderless effort the other night isn't much different to what the doughnut botherer served up. 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Nope. Hate to burst your bubble but I’ve never really rated him.

15 months ago I said that i knew the club rated him as the best young player they had. They had fielded enquiries from PL clubs for him and there were two PL clubs there in the lounge who were at the match to watch him. The numbers being handed about in terms of what it would take to get him was  “8 figures” (direct quote). At the time Buckley hadn’t played much at all in the first team and so I didn’t get it and basically passed on the info.

In fairness, since that day my info has been proven right in terms of what they think about him as he is the most used player of any from the u23’s and they compliment him at every opportunity. I still haven’t seen in him what they do but that’s the reality of this matter.

I've seen genuine ability in flashes but not enough often enough. He's got to get on the ball more. They should show him old videos of Eyal Berkovic. He wasn't the most physical of players but he never shirked showing for a pass no matter where he was on the pitch or how tightly he was marked.

[Oldgregg86]

On 13/02/2021 at 09:04, J*B said:

After 28 games -

18/19 - 40 points, 6 off playoffs
19/20 - 40 points, 5 off playoffs 
20/21 - 39 points, 6 off playoffs 

21/22 - 40 points, 6 off playoffs.           22/23 - 41 points, 6 off playoffs.        23/24 - 42 points 5 off playoffs.       24/25 -  42 points 4 off playoffs.               25/26 - 43 points, 4 off playoffs.            26/27 - 43 points 4 off playoffs better GD

27/28 - 33 points 12 off playoffs (lots off injury’s, next season will be different when we get the squad back

28/29 - 44 points 2 points off play offs 29/30 lose in first leg of playoffs heavily

30/31 lose on penalties in second leg of play offs

30/31 play off final , have it a good go

FFS believe in the journey and get behind the lads . What do you expect where a little mill town in the back end of narnia. Just be grateful you have shit football to watch 

 

[tomphil]

But who else is there......... 🙄

[Ulrich]

Barnsley are doing well, this will be a hard day for the lads. I'm expecting us to pull a tactical blinder and walk away with all 3 points. I even expect us to keep a clean sheet.

Sarcasm is awesome, I have a feeling we will get tonked.

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

21/22 - 40 points, 6 off playoffs.           22/23 - 41 points, 6 off playoffs.        23/24 - 42 points 5 off playoffs.       24/25 -  42 points 4 off playoffs.               25/26 - 43 points, 4 off playoffs.            26/27 - 43 points 4 off playoffs better GD

27/28 - 33 points 12 off playoffs (lots off injury’s, next season will be different when we get the squad back

28/29 - 44 points 2 points off play offs 29/30 lose in first leg of playoffs heavily

30/31 lose on penalties in second leg of play offs

30/31 play off final , have it a good go

FFS believe in the journey and get behind the lads . What do you expect where a little mill town in the back end of narnia. Just be grateful you have shit football to watch 

 

Mowbray leaves at the end of 27/28 then?

[Oldgregg86]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Mowbray leaves at the end of 27/28 then?

Ha Started early today and got really annoyed and frustrated at the lack of excitement and ambition as we helplessly plod on to nowhere . Getting my lad his first season ticket when we can go back and trying keep him away from city united etc gets harder as he watches game after game of no excitement no chances nothing . I will be sat in the bbe telling him when I was a kid every seat was full and the atmosphere was electric trying to convince him 8 thousand in silence against millwall as we get beat 1-0 that rovers is the future. I’m just sick of it . The whole bloody thing . Any way rant over . I’m off to finish my breakfast through a straw 🥴