Tony Mowbray Discussion

[davulsukur]

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nyambe isn't a prospect anymore, he is 23 years old now. I ain't his biggest fan of Nyambe over the past of seasons. His defensive game isn't good enough still. Why this haven't improve over the last 2 seasons I don't know. I think we need a new right back

If he hasn't improved over the last 2 season it because the manager:

• Likes to throw him under the bus
• Doesn't believe in formations (this helps no one)
• Can't organise a defence to save his life
• Has poor coaching staff

Nyambe is a decent right back and under a better manager who actually gives the team some shape, organisation and pays some attention to the defence, he would improve no end.

[Paul Mani]

9 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

Barnsley are doing very well at the moment, my head says we will have a hard night to get all 3bpoints and I am not sure our players are up to it, on present form.

I hope he is under pressure, he should be, both from within the club and India. He is failing by his own standards and does not appear capable enough to turn matters around. We will see.

I think you’re right re tonight. 
 

When was the last time we played well?

Serious question....we were playing well at the beginning of the season. Even a couple of the losses like Watford and Bournemouth were excellent performances...but I genuinely can’t remember the last time we actually played well...Preston away?

[Ewood Ace]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I disagree that he is our best defender by a mile. He has a problem with positional sense. It has cost us a few goals. 

Who is our best defender then? He has no positional problem the problem is that the manager is asking him to do the jobs of 2 players because he will not play with wingers. The first goal the other night a fantastic case in point Nyambe does what a good full back should and covers his centre backs who are out of position and then the winger should cover Nyambe and track Cunningham but we don't play with wingers.

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have a 12 months contract option which I expect Rovers will exercise. 

Which means that he will either go for free next summer or the club will have to cash in this summer but with him only having 12 months left he would still go for a fraction of what he is really worth. Either way it's a bad result for Rovers.

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't see Nyambe has being in the best 6 rights backs in this league. 

Name six better then? The only two I can think of are Aarons and Esteves (who is on loan from FC Porto). I'd then have Nyambe in third just ahead of Connor Roberts.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Darwen Rover 007 said:

I think his comments today indicate that he is under pressure.. G

I think Thats is fair comment to make. 

2 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

When Nyambe leaves who do you bring in to be one of the best 6 right backs in the league then with the budget we are likely to have?

well I ain't a scout firstly but we can't afford Max Arrons or Connor Roberts who for are the best 2 rights back in this league. 

I did say this past summer we should have gone for Nathan Byrne from Wigan before he moved to Derby. I would still look at him this summer. Another names are Romeo from Millwall or Brittain from Barnsley. 

[oldjamfan1]

7 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

When was the last time we played well?

Serious question....we were playing well at the beginning of the season. Even a couple of the losses like Watford and Bournemouth were excellent performances...but I genuinely can’t remember the last time we actually played well...Preston away?

I reckon it was Brentford away.

Then we got sussed out and have been rotten ever since, despite winning/scabbing a few games.

[Parsonblue]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't see Nyambe has being in the best 6 rights backs in this league. 

Yes he can keep improving but his days of prospect are gone since he is 23 years old

I disagree that he is our best defender by a mile. He has a problem with positional sense. It has cost us a few goals. 

We have a 12 months contract option which I expect Rovers will exercise. 

Where have a defend Mowbray today. I have posted my doubts on Nyambe for the past couple of seasons on here. 

Please tell me who these 6 right backs are that are better than Nyambe and are within our budget?  Remember we have spent a number of years developing this lad in our academy at some expense.  If he leaves - and I have no doubt that he will leave and probably this summer - that money is wasted.

Mowbray threw him under the bus on Friday when he knew that the kid he has brought on loan Everton was badly out of position and whose judgement was shocking from start to finish.  Lenihan too was caught out.  No wonder the goalkeeper decided he'd better start playing centre-back himself with the way the two in front of him were shaping.

Nyambe has been excellent as an attacking full-back and has the pace to recover to get back to defend.  We have nobody else at the club who can do that role as well as Nyambe.   We have little in the way of financial resources but you suggest that we spend money on bringing in a player to replace a player who has done a more than decent job in that position.

I suspect we will allow Nyambe to leave and then borrow another youngster from a Premier League club to let him learn his trade and make his mistakes at Ewood.  The joy of being a nursery for the big clubs!

[SoldierMo]

Chaddy always seemed to have had it in for Nyambe...but has supported Douglas 🤦‍♂️ We will not replace Nyambe with a better player thats a guarantee

[Wheelton Blue]

The problem with Nyambe is that he doesn't stop enough crosses getting into our box, nor does he deliver quality crosses into the opposition's box.

Having said that, he probably is the best defender we have, but that just about sums up the whole defensive situation.

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The problem with Nyambe is that he doesn't stop enough crosses getting into our box, nor does he deliver quality crosses into the opposition's box.

Having said that, he probably is the best defender we have, but that just about sums up the whole defensive situation.

Completely disagree, he does deliver good crosses into the box.

[Miller11]

29 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I think you’re right re tonight. 
 

When was the last time we played well?

Serious question....we were playing well at the beginning of the season. Even a couple of the losses like Watford and Bournemouth were excellent performances...but I genuinely can’t remember the last time we actually played well...Preston away?

That’s the last game that stands out as an excellent performance.

Spot on with what you say about our early season form. We are now a far cry away from anything approaching those early performances, and Mowbray appears to be getting increasingly desperate, but equally unable to recreate it. 

Sadly those performances seem to be the exception. The last couple of months of dross looks to be Mowbray’s normal.

[Mercer]

Life is difficult enough at the moment without having to read / listen to what is , IMO, patronising bullsh1t on an almost daily basis from Mowbray.

Today's LT article is, IMO, a p1ss taker in the extreme.

For God sake Mowbray, just feck off back to Teeside and fill your guts with your beloved lemon drizzle cake.

We want honesty, hope, ambition, hunger and excitement from a new manager.

[RoversClitheroe]

Just now, Mercer said:

Life is difficult enough at the moment without having to read / listen to what is , IMO, patronising bullsh1t on an almost daily basis from Mowbray.

Today's LT article is, IMO, a p1ss taker in the extreme.

For God sake Mowbray, just feck off back to Teeside and fill your guts with your beloved lemon drizzle cake.

We want honesty, hope, ambition, hunger and excitement from a new manager.

Surely that's a man under pressure, or he's completely lost his marbles

[Wheelton Blue]

2 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Completely disagree, he does deliver good crosses into the box.

Let's see tonight then how may times he places the ball on someone's head or toe, or for someone to run on to. 

I hope I'm wrong.

[Miller11]

4 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The problem with Nyambe is that he doesn't stop enough crosses getting into our box, nor does he deliver quality crosses into the opposition's box.

Having said that, he probably is the best defender we have, but that just about sums up the whole defensive situation.

He is left to defend 2 or 3 v 1 multiple times every game. And who should he cross to? Gallagher will be stood in the corner flag looking to play a 1-2, Armstrong will be lurking on the edge looking for the 30 yarder... our movement in the box is woeful. Nothing much wrong with his delivery when he has a target.

Nyambe will get a move to a club better positioned than us and never look back. He’ll play in the premier league within 3 years. Meanwhile, our fans can re-imagine him as an utter bastard and a liability, and claim that £2 million and a sell on fee was shrewd business when he is linked to a decent Premier League outfit for big money.

And we can all happily rave about how lucky we were to see Harwood-Bellis in blue and white when he makes his move to Crystal Palace in search of first team football in 2025, while we wonder if this season we will finish 8th, 9th, 10th or 11th.

[Dolly blue]

Still reeling from Mowbray’s LT  interview where his words used to surprise me but they now make me weep ....I would take a defeat tonight if it hastened his departure and that of his weary back room staff.

I come to this decision based on current league position , the teams yet to face...Brentford, Swansea, Watford, Norwich...and others who will be far better coached and managed to face a run in than we are ....

He will be nowhere near the top 6 and all we are doing is treading water...if we get rid now there’s a chance of contracts being signed, of has beens being removed , of a fan base entering Ewood again ....do you remember the promotion game ... “ We’re on our way back “......we are most definitely...on our way back to mediocrity, feeble acceptance....and don’t tell me no manager would take it ....as @Mattyblue said this job is a gig and a half....

I will take defeat at Barnsley tonight.....my God....just how far have we fallen 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

41 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The problem with Nyambe is that he doesn't stop enough crosses getting into our box, nor does he deliver quality crosses into the opposition's box.

Having said that, he probably is the best defender we have, but that just about sums up the whole defensive situation.

It's like a lot of modern fullback play. He's being asked to play a yard or two too near the centre halves so he can give them support. That gives whoever's out on the wing  a bit more time to get set up for a cross. The old first rule of full back play - try and keep your opponent facing back down the pitch and don't let them turn with the ball- is really difficult to achieve if you're under instruction to play nearer to the centre haves.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Good thing about being on a journey, is you can re set the milometer anytime you want...

’“I think we’re really only 28 games into this journey, not four years”

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19095433.tony-mowbray-says-rovers-promotion-journey-just-begun/

Pass me the feckin rope😵

[benhben]

6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Good thing about being on a journey, is you can re set the milometer anytime you want...

’“I think we’re really only 28 games into this journey, not four years”

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19095433.tony-mowbray-says-rovers-promotion-journey-just-begun/

This latest interview makes me feel sick. Its almost as if he knows the fans have lost faith, but he also knows hes running the show, will never be under any pressure and is basically on the wind up. 

Taking full advantage of having no fans allowed to games.

Edited February 17, 2021 by benhben

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[booth]

6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Good thing about being on a journey, is you can re set the milometer anytime you want...

’“I think we’re really only 28 games into this journey, not four years”

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19095433.tony-mowbray-says-rovers-promotion-journey-just-begun/

So in basic terms you can stuff the system where Dack thrived.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes the lack of right back to challenge Nyambe has been a problem we have been raise on here a number of times. 

Nyambe is huge prospect? he is 23 years old now. Surely he is too old to be prospect. 

We don't know what the contract problem has been between the club and Nyambe?  

Nyambe isn't a prospect anymore, he is 23 years old now. I ain't his biggest fan of Nyambe over the past of seasons. His defensive game isn't good enough still. Why this haven't improve over the last 2 seasons I don't know. I think we need a new right back

Thanks Miller11. I don't know if he is under pressure from the Owners for sure but his comments today, suggest he is under pressure from someone. 

So if he doesn't study other teams why did he play Armstrong against Dickie in wide forward role with Elliott as false 9 role against QPR? 

Bilic has just gone to China and Jokanovic is managing in the middle East where they both be on massive money contracts. 

I think a younger British manager would be the way to go if we need a replacement

If we want a new manager/head coach would Cheston be in charge of bring in the new person or would that do by other none Rovers related people like an agent or Pasha?

I suspect you have slightly misunderstood my point.

Nyambe is a player who has been performing poorly lately, my point was that criticism of him in isolation is perhaps warranted and I do feel like as a player, he is somewhat of a blue eyed boy with the Rovers fans and as a result perhaps slightly overrated in that when he does make a mistake, blame tends to be apportioned elsewhere and never to him.

That being said, that doesnt mean that I dont rate him. At the moment, he is a very capable Championship right back, admittedly not perfect, and far from 23 years old being ready for the scrapheap, he has a lot of development left in him. I would consider it nigh on impossible for us to replace him should he inevitably leave, especially for a pittance, if I had to guess we will go with Rankin Costello there from next season and he is clearly not a full back.

I also dont think that the situation has necessarily been handled well at all. Bennett was never a better full back, Buckley and Gallagher had laughable cameos there and the Harwood Bellis farce seems to be buttering up to Pep. There has never been another player capable of playing right back with any competence in Mowbrays tenure to ever consider dropping Nyambe even when his form dips. I also do question his man management of him. He will be a big loss once he does move on.

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Hope he feels a lot of pressure and leaves our great club. I just don't like him anymore think he's tarnishing his rep and he's becoming poison to the club.

Get him out of here asap.

Hopefully if we do lose tonight he's gone.

He is at risk of tarnishing his reputation potentially but like your previous comments comparing him to Kean, to describe him as poison is needlessly disrespectful and hyperbolic.

53 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Completely disagree, he does deliver good crosses into the box.

I disagree, his crossing from deeper is poor/non existent, and he tends to choose against that option 9 times out of 10 as he knows as much. Prior to this season, I felt like he had very little going forward. One area he has developed on is intelligently though using his physicality to isolate full backs more, which has meant that although his crossing is not great, he is now capable of getting in behind much more often and has started to chalk up assists often in the forms of pull backs from higher positions, as we saw v Barnsley earlier in the season. His crossing may remain poor and rarely be utilised but if he can get into the positions he has started to do so then the final ball may just be a cut back rather than whipping in inch perfect crosses. 

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

Remember a bit before Bowyer left his demeanour changed, talked of fans coming out from under their rocks, Big Sam referred to himself as an expert in face of criticism.

Mowbray is changing his tone. I wonder if he finally feels under pressure?

I think he's just been that comfortable here that he reacts this way whenever he gets called out and his feathers are ruffled.

The only pressure i reckon is from his agent buddies not wanting him to blow their gig when their feet are well under the table. Also he'll feel responsible for all his pals in the club, backroom staff, upstairs staff and some players alike.

He gets potted then a few of them will follow more than likely. Would he ever even know if he was under scrutiny in India ?   Doubtful but he should be.

[StevenSK]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't see Nyambe has being in the best 6 rights backs in this league. 

Yes he can keep improving but his days of prospect are gone since he is 23 years old

I disagree that he is our best defender by a mile. He has a problem with positional sense. It has cost us a few goals. 

We have a 12 months contract option which I expect Rovers will exercise. 

Where have a defend Mowbray today. I have posted my doubts on Nyambe for the past couple of seasons on here. 

Nyambe is utter shite

[JHRover]

I think it is probably a combination of a few things that have led to the increasingly bizarre and unhinged comments from Mowbray.

Going off his performance and decision making in games it is clear there is an element of losing the plot. When you end up like we did against Preston you have to wonder what is going through his head. Quite obvious that his head goes west during games especially when we are behind and he has no idea how to turn a game. The stats prove that.

I expect that he is also feeling pressure from several angles. Having sold his project to India and been well backed on it yet be no further on than 2 years ago he will be expecting scrutiny or restlessness in India as it becomes clear even to the slower folk that the playoffs ain't happening.

Of course at a normal club he would be under pressure. But here it is probably more just expected pressure than real with these owners.

He obviously doesn't like pressure or questions from the support base and is probably realising that all his stalling for time and excuses over the last 2.5 years are wearing thin.

He comes with baggage of Venus and Waggo so will also be trying to preserve their positions.

He needs putting out of his misery now. 

Trouble is that we will pluck a win or two from somewhere and then it will be 'back on track' etc. safe as houses because we are 'only' x points off the top six.

 

[tomphil]

Opinions have always varied on Nyambe but i think it's fair to say he's under performing rather than he's shite.

Also fair to say he's always been a target for the scapegoating from the manager. Whenever he has a bad game he gets singled out and often dropped but the choices to stand in are no better. In some cases far worse but they carry managers lap dog status.

If the manager doesn't rate him or just doesn't like him - one of those has been the case for years. Then why the hell has he never replaced him/sold him or tried to upgrade him ?

Surely that's how you improve a team !  

Better still would be to ask yourself why he, Gallagher, Brereton, Bell, Holtby etc constantly under perform.  Then look at your own tactics and system and maybe have pay actual attention to your formations.

We can't replace half the team but we can replace the 2 in charge of it.