Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, booth said:

Bit of a theory.

Mowbray sat there, inanimate whilst Venus is managing the team.

Anyone seen Weekend at Bernies?

Bernie had a bit more life about him than Mowbray.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

No problem with Dunn defending Mowbray. We all have our own opinions and it doesnt tarnish his reputation.

The guy he is quoting is well of the mark. Acknowledge where we are ie accept medicority. Changing managers every few years as if managers lasting over 4 years is the norm. Using an example whereby a team that was stagnant suddenly got a play off place then won the league after an ambitious and imaginative new managerial appointment. And quoting a new philosophy which is a mystery to us all.

Sacking managers every few years doesn't work......until they sacked the manager before Bielsa and got promoted two years later as a result!

[Bbrovers2288]

17 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

**Tin hat on**

I'll probably get slated for saying this but I want Mowbray out far more than I ever wanted Coyle out or arguably even Kean out.

The reasoning behind this seemingly insane statement is that imo it's a full two years since it became blindingly obvious he was out of his depth at Championship level and needed to be replaced.

With Coyle we were usually well in games until one or more pieces of calamitous defending invariably cost us and I never thought we played that badly under him or that the players ever stopped playing for him.

Even Kean had us in 5th or 6th when he was sacked. That was relatively early on in the season and would probably have got worse but it's still a position TM could only dream of.

If Mowbray had have been replaced two years ago I'd have had full respect for the job he did in stabilising us and bringing us back up. Instead it just seems to me he's been in full self preservation mode ever since with this "jam tomorrow" "slow build" crap to explain away his ownfailings. As a result I've grown to really dislike him and nothing in his managerial stats in the meantime has persuaded me I'm being unreasonable.

 

Agree with your sentiment, to me it’s the fact mowbray is almost unsackable and no end is in sight. It’s painful and wholly frustrating when you want something so bad but can never get it 

[Roverinbelfast]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

**Tin hat on**

I'll probably get slated for saying this but I want Mowbray out far more than I ever wanted Coyle out or arguably even Kean out.

The reasoning behind this seemingly insane statement is that imo it's a full two years since it became blindingly obvious he was out of his depth at Championship level and needed to be replaced.

With Coyle we were usually well in games until one or more pieces of calamitous defending invariably cost us and I never thought we played that badly under him or that the players ever stopped playing for him.

Even Kean had us in 5th or 6th when he was sacked. That was relatively early on in the season and would probably have got worse but it's still a position TM could only dream of.

If Mowbray had have been replaced two years ago I'd have had full respect for the job he did in stabilising us and bringing us back up. Instead it just seems to me he's been in full self preservation mode ever since with this "jam tomorrow" "slow build" crap to explain away his ownfailings. As a result I've grown to really dislike him and nothing in his managerial stats in the meantime has persuaded me I'm being unreasonable.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But imo everything thing with this statement is inaccurate. And actually insulting. He's much much better than Coyle and as far as credibility goes he's light-years ahead of that thing kean. 2 years ago in the championship it was positive and evident that he was building a squad. And we were making progress from where we had been prior to his arrival. 

The infuriating thing is now that he has that squad capable of kicking on, he just can't get them gel. As one off his biggest supporters I now believe its time for him to move on and see what happens next in the venkys roller-coaster. 

My money says it won't get any better but let's just see. 

[Roverinbelfast]

49 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Agree with your sentiment, to me it’s the fact mowbray is almost unsackable and no end is in sight. It’s painful and wholly frustrating when you want something so bad but can never get it 

Hiw do you know that he is unsackable. This is myth not fact

[Waggy76]

He has lost the plot , players signed for no reason , no idea of his best team ..

2 years ago , defenders are coming ,still waiting !!!

The axis of Mulgrew , Graham and Dack is long gone ! 

Mowbray peaked in the 1st Division because of the above ..

Its time to go Tony !!

 

 

[Mattyblue]

7 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

I'm sorry but with this comment he has almost reached Kean levels of hate for me. He say's this about our great club yet when we played his beloved Boro (who have one major honour in their entire history) the other week he talked them up like they were Man United. If he really wants to show the club a bit of respect then just bugger off.

 

Hang on, hasn’t he been saying the exact opposite since he’s been here? That Blackburn Rovers should be aspiring to do just that? 

Getting to the divide and conquer stage with the fanbase, as he knows his belittling of the club will go down well with many a modern fan and useful idiots like Dunn, lowering expectations ever more.

[Mattyblue]

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

4 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

Hiw do you know that he is unsackable. This is myth not fact

He's still here isn't he? 

Any other club would have pulled the trigger by now. 

[Ossydave]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

**Tin hat on**

I'll probably get slated for saying this but I want Mowbray out far more than I ever wanted Coyle out or arguably even Kean out.

The reasoning behind this seemingly insane statement is that imo it's a full two years since it became blindingly obvious he was out of his depth at Championship level and needed to be replaced.

With Coyle we were usually well in games until one or more pieces of calamitous defending invariably cost us and I never thought we played that badly under him or that the players ever stopped playing for him.

Even Kean had us in 5th or 6th when he was sacked. That was relatively early on in the season and would probably have got worse but it's still a position TM could only dream of.

If Mowbray had have been replaced two years ago I'd have had full respect for the job he did in stabilising us and bringing us back up. Instead it just seems to me he's been in full self preservation mode ever since with this "jam tomorrow" "slow build" crap to explain away his ownfailings. As a result I've grown to really dislike him and nothing in his managerial stats in the meantime has persuaded me I'm being unreasonable.

 

Kean wasn't sacked though, he walked because his position became 'untenable'.

Much like I can't see Mowbray being sacked either his feet are that far under the table at Ewood. The issue is how do we make HIS position untenable.

The biggest problem right now is does he even realise how the fans are feeling? People would have been vocal vs Preston and again last night in the ground. Does he even read social media etc? Strikes me as the type who still gets a newspaper delivered every day. A lot of other fans would also be voting with their feet too and crowds at rock bottom. Nobody wants to watch that crap. I'll probably still watch us on Saturday but it's partly cos there's fuck all else to do just now! 

So to me the only way is for some of the stronger willed players to really give him both barrels. Fair play Dacky last night for speaking up, hopefully the rest of them get behind him and ramp the pressure up. More likely scenario is Benno will have ordered them all a pair of Tony Mowbray pyjamas to boost morale.

We could do with Rich Sharpe twisting the knife too as he regularly speaks to Mowbray. Appreciate its difficult for him though as he needs to maintain a relationship with the club or his position also becomes untenable if he's nothing to report on!

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

4 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

Kean wasn't sacked though, he walked because his position became 'untenable'.

Much like I can't see Mowbray being sacked either his feet are that far under the table at Ewood. The issue is how do we make HIS position untenable.

The biggest problem right now is does he even realise how the fans are feeling? People would have been vocal vs Preston and again last night in the ground. Does he even read social media etc? Strikes me as the type who still gets a newspaper delivered every day. A lot of other fans would also be voting with their feet too and crowds at rock bottom. Nobody wants to watch that crap. I'll probably still watch us on Saturday but it's partly cos there's fuck all else to do just now! 

So to me the only way is for some of the stronger willed players to really give him both barrels. Fair play Dacky last night for speaking up, hopefully the rest of them get behind him and ramp the pressure up. More likely scenario is Benno will have ordered them all a pair of Tony Mowbray pyjamas to boost morale.

We could do with Rich Sharpe twisting the knife too as he regularly speaks to Mowbray. Appreciate its difficult for him though as he needs to maintain a relationship with the club or his position also becomes untenable if he's nothing to report on!

How did Dack speak up last night? Must've missed that.. 

[Ossydave]

1 minute ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

How did Dack speak up last night? Must've missed that.. 

Not exactly brutal but it's a start!

[OldEwoodBlue]

I see Tony has joined the "give him to the end of the season" brigade.

We at least need a "vote of confidence" to give us some hope.

[Darwen Rover 007]

His comments about Nyambe were an absolute disgrace 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

1 hour ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

He's still here isn't he? 

Any other club would have pulled the trigger by now. 

Would they? Depends what his targets are as set by whoever it is that pulls the strings at Ewood. 

[yoda's brother]

3 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Would they? Depends what his targets are as set by whoever it is that pulls the strings at Ewood. 

thats mowbray who sets his own targets isnt it

[neophox]

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

Not exactly brutal but it's a start!

who di Dack shout at? Mowbray?

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

11 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Would they? Depends what his targets are as set by whoever it is that pulls the strings at Ewood. 

I genuinely believe he'd have been fired from most, if not all, other clubs in this division yes. He's had four years, which is an almost unheard of amount of time in football management, and hasn't had to sell a single player during that time bar Raya - and I suspect that was all down to Mowbray rather than anyone forcing his hand. 

And during those four years there has been very little progression. He had a very strong squad for League One standards and couldn't even win that. In fact it's  becoming more and more clear that the bits of magic from Dack/Mulgrew etc got us out of that league more than any cohesive plan or structure - something you can get away with in League One and something that'll never, ever get you promoted out of the Championship. 

It's gone totally and utterly sour for me, any goodwill he built up for getting us promoted out of League One (which I still think was a slam dunk) has been long and truly eroded as he now just looks like a desperate old has been, who simply isn't very good at his job and will do anything - including insulting fans and spouting guff for the owners benefit - to keep his job. 

Get out Mowbray, you're no longer welcome. 

[Cherry Blue]

Missing out on this season's playoff coupled with a manager who refuses to walk - we are not the only one's who can see he's lost the plot, no need to CCTV Ewood Park - it feels like relegation. Just wish we could voice our opinion.

Come on Andy Bayes & Rich Sharpe, you can see it! If Alf Thornton was at LT he'd insist on a front page "......FANS WANT MOWBRAY OUT....." . Give us something to cheer about in these historic dark day.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

1 minute ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

I genuinely believe he'd have been fired from most, if not all, other clubs in this division yes. He's had four years, which is an almost unheard of amount of time in football management, and hasn't had to sell a single player during that time bar Raya - and I suspect that was all down to Mowbray rather than anyone forcing his hand. 

And during those four years there has been very little progression. He had a very strong squad for League One standards and couldn't even win that. In fact it's  becoming more and more clear that the bits of magic from Dack/Mulgrew etc got us out of that league more than any cohesive plan or structure - something you can get away with in League One and something that'll never, ever get you promoted out of the Championship. 

It's gone totally and utterly sour for me, any goodwill he built up for getting us promoted out of League One (which I still think was a slam dunk) has been long and truly eroded as he now just looks like a desperate old has been, who simply isn't very good at his job and will do anything - including insulting fans and spouting guff for the owners benefit - to keep his job. 

Get out Mowbray, you're no longer welcome. 

Its gone sour for me too but his sacking will depend on his targets and/or his relationships at the club. If his target is develop 'assets' at the club he can point to Dack, AA etc. If his target is top 6 or bust he's going to struggle. And he wouldn't have been sacked at most clubs as he's not been in a relegation scrap at any point - but again that comes down to the expectations of the owners. 

Bottom line, this isn't normal club. The manager appointed the CEO who is his pal. The owners appear to have little ambition for the club as they can clearly cover the losses and don't seem arsed by them. 

Just playing devil's advocate. I dont expect him to be sacked. 

[JHRover]

No word from our CEO?

How long since he made a public appearance or speech?

I expect he will know which way things are going and will keep himself hidden until the summer then exit stage left before things turn really sour.

[gumboots]

You know what? I dont really care who comes in because, if what you're all saying about performance levels is true, (I've only watched us once this season so can't judge for myself) anyone with a bit of organising skill and authority could do a better job than Mowbray is doing at the moment. Look at what Woodgate has managed to do in a few short weeks as caretaker. It used to be a worry of mine that we wouldn't appoint better. Now I feel even the Raos probably couldn't do worse than a manager who has always been somewhat incoherent but now appears to have totally lost it. 

Edited February 18, 2021 by gumboots

[benhben]

21 minutes ago, JHRover said:

No word from our CEO?

How long since he made a public appearance or speech?

I expect he will know which way things are going and will keep himself hidden until the summer then exit stage left before things turn really sour.

Seemingly having no one in the boardroom willing to make a decision, or worse are just a bunch of best mates with Mowbray to me is even more sickening than having a crap manager. Yeah Mowbrays crap, and his time has passed, but that happens at every club. The proper sickener is having a board and manager who are so friendly its verging on corrupt. Thats a sign of a broken club when the manager runs the boardroom.

[G Somerset Rover]

35 minutes ago, JHRover said:

No word from our CEO?

How long since he made a public appearance or speech?

I expect he will know which way things are going and will keep himself hidden until the summer then exit stage left before things turn really sour.

Yep. What betting Mowbray then appoints another pal?

As an aside, the only way he’s turning around this death spiral is if Arma gets the wrong side of a defender and they go down to 10 early doors. I can’t see us beating anyone 11 v 11 at the minute - we’re that useless. 

Edited February 18, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Mattyblue]

We are seeing standard behaviour as a manager gets to the end of his shelf life. Confusing tactics, constant changes of side and system, increasingly odd interviews, poor body language.

It’s a bunch of players that are no longer responding to their manager, it happens, 4 years is an age in the modern game, and the side is now merely treading water, the team is crying out for a new voice. 

It is amplified here because these situations drag on much longer than they do at normal clubs.

Edited February 18, 2021 by Mattyblue