Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Stuart]

11 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

I'm sorry but with this comment he has almost reached Kean levels of hate for me. He say's this about our great club yet when we played his beloved Boro (who have one major honour in their entire history) the other week he talked them up like they were Man United. If he really wants to show the club a bit of respect then just bugger off.

 

Talking about our club in the ‘third person’ as though his team and Blackburn Rovers are separate entities.

[Bbrovers2288]

7 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

Hiw do you know that he is unsackable. This is myth not fact

Because he is still here after 4 painful years. Of course nobody is actually unsackable however but I’m sure you knew that or do you just miss exaggeration for effect 

[chaddyrovers]

I take no pleasure or happiness from writing this us forward but we need a change of manager with fresh ideas to take over if we are going to get promotion from this league. 

Mowbray is honest, trustworthy and very decent person who has tried his best for this great club of ours. 

I am grateful and thankful of the job Mowbray has done since taking over as manager and for the last 4 years at the club. He has rebuilt a club and fanbase that was broken into pieces when he joined. He got us promotion from league 1 at the 1st attempt when other clubs like Leeds and Sheffield United struggle to get out at the 1st attempt. But after 2 years of building a squad that this year would challenge and get top 6 we have fallen short. He has bought us some good memories and those I won't forget. 

I feel any comparison to Kean and Coyle from any poster are embarrassing and quite frankly laughable when you think what they did.  

I wont keep bashing him every day or every opportunity as I think it is inappropriate to do so after the job Mowbray has done the club, fans and people of of the club. He deserved more respect from all of us in my opinion.

The owners and CEO have a decision to make and if the owners and CEO are happy with being mid table then fine but I want to get back to Premier League as soon as possible. 

I will discuss my thoughts on who I think should replace Mowbray as manager/head coach in the Mowbray's successor thread

[chaddyrovers]

 

42 minutes ago, JHRover said:

No word from our CEO?

How long since he made a public appearance or speech?

I expect he will know which way things are going and will keep himself hidden until the summer then exit stage left before things turn really sour.

Who says Waggott is leaving the club in the summer?

[rigger]

8 hours ago, Roverinbelfast said:

Hiw do you know that he is unsackable. This is myth not fact

Nobody but Venkys know if this is myth or fact. But taking a realistic look at the situation, you would have to say it is probably unlikely Venkys will sack Mowbray. I hope to whatever god that I am wrong. 

[TheRoversReturn]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I take no pleasure or happiness from writing this us forward but we need a change of manager with fresh ideas to take over if we are going to get promotion from this league. 

Is this until our next lucky win gets you to go back on this and be a happy clapper once again? Either Mowbray is the right man or he isn't. 

Time for people to make up their minds. It's this flip-flopping that's had us wasting the last 18 months at least...

 

[TheRoversReturn]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I feel any comparison to Kean and Coyle from any poster are embarrassing and quite frankly laughable when you think what they did.  

Kean was 10x worse than Coyle. Judging them same way is as "embarrassing" as what you call out.

None of us wanted Coyle...but Kean was another level of dodgy in every single way.

[gumboots]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I take no pleasure or happiness from writing this us forward but we need a change of manager with fresh ideas to take over if we are going to get promotion from this league. 

Mowbray is honest, trustworthy and very decent person who has tried his best for this great club of ours. 

I am grateful and thankful of the job Mowbray has done since taking over as manager and for the last 4 years at the club. He has rebuilt a club and fanbase that was broken into pieces when he joined. He got us promotion from league 1 at the 1st attempt when other clubs like Leeds and Sheffield United struggle to get out at the 1st attempt. But after 2 years of building a squad that this year would challenge and get top 6 we have fallen short. He has bought us some good memories and those I won't forget. 

I feel any comparison to Kean and Coyle from any poster are embarrassing and quite frankly laughable when you think what they did.  

I wont keep bashing him every day or every opportunity as I think it is inappropriate to do so after the job Mowbray has done the club, fans and people of of the club. He deserved more respect from all of us in my opinion.

The owners and CEO have a decision to make and if the owners and CEO are happy with being mid table then fine but I want to get back to Premier League as soon as possible. 

 

I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with more or less everything you say. I wont vilify Mowbray but his time has been and is gone and he risks that being forgotten if he drags on as manager. For his own sake as much as the clubs, he needs to go now.

[booth]

32 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I feel any comparison to Kean and Coyle from any poster are embarrassing and quite frankly laughable when you think what they did.  

Agree you can’t compare him to Kean and Coyle, especially Kean but...

You were defending Coyle to the point of trolling when he was manager.

[chaddyrovers]

23 minutes ago, TheRoversReturn said:

Is this until our next lucky win gets you to go back on this and be a happy clapper once again? Either Mowbray is the right man or he isn't. 

Time for people to make up their minds. It's this flip-flopping that's had us wasting the last 18 months at least...

 

I will always want Mowbray as long as he is manager here and Rovers to win games. I could never post that I hope my team losing to get rid of Mowbray. Thats arent in my mindset or beliefs. 

Is Mowbray the right man to get us promote and Premier League? No he isn't sadly and that is posted with a very heavy heart. 

is Mowbray the right man to keep us up and in mid table? Yes he is. I wish he come take us to the Premier League but I just think he can't despite his best efforts. 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

38 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I take no pleasure or happiness from writing this us forward but we need a change of manager with fresh ideas to take over if we are going to get promotion from this league. 

Mowbray is honest, trustworthy and very decent person who has tried his best for this great club of ours. 

I am grateful and thankful of the job Mowbray has done since taking over as manager and for the last 4 years at the club. He has rebuilt a club and fanbase that was broken into pieces when he joined. He got us promotion from league 1 at the 1st attempt when other clubs like Leeds and Sheffield United struggle to get out at the 1st attempt. But after 2 years of building a squad that this year would challenge and get top 6 we have fallen short. He has bought us some good memories and those I won't forget. 

I feel any comparison to Kean and Coyle from any poster are embarrassing and quite frankly laughable when you think what they did.  

I wont keep bashing him every day or every opportunity as I think it is inappropriate to do so after the job Mowbray has done the club, fans and people of of the club. He deserved more respect from all of us in my opinion.

The owners and CEO have a decision to make and if the owners and CEO are happy with being mid table then fine but I want to get back to Premier League as soon as possible. 

I will discuss my thoughts on who I think should replace Mowbray as manager/head coach in the Mowbray's successor thread

The chances of being able to continually bump along in mid table are nil. The minute you stand still in football you are actually going backwards.

[davulsukur]

3 hours ago, Ossydave said:

Not exactly brutal but it's a start!

More dissent in the ranks.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The chances of being able to continually bump along in mid table are nil. 

My point was if the owners are happy with mid table championship team and willing to keep backing Rovers financially each year then thats they own choice. 

[phili]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I will always want Mowbray as long as he is manager here and Rovers to win games. I could never post that I hope my team losing to get rid of Mowbray. Thats arent in my mindset or beliefs. 

Is Mowbray the right man to get us promote and Premier League? No he isn't sadly and that is posted with a very heavy heart. 

is Mowbray the right man to keep us up and in mid table? Yes he is. I wish he come take us to the Premier League but I just think he can't despite his best efforts. 

 

I fear we maybe this seasons Hull with how we are playing at the moment.

Our next set of fixtures look horrible, will he be able to sort it out or will he go down as our first manager to take us to League 1 twice in their tenure.

He just doesn't seem to know what to do anymore and it looks like he is desperate to be put out of his misery and sacked.

[47er]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

My point was if the owners are happy with mid table championship team and willing to keep backing Rovers financially each year then thats they own choice. 

So long as they are happy with no spectators (and I don't mean cos of Covid).

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, 47er said:

So long as they are happy with no spectators (and I don't mean cos of Covid).

You'd have to be a masochist to pay to watch the tripe on offer at the moment.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

2 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Its gone sour for me too but his sacking will depend on his targets and/or his relationships at the club. If his target is develop 'assets' at the club he can point to Dack, AA etc. If his target is top 6 or bust he's going to struggle. And he wouldn't have been sacked at most clubs as he's not been in a relegation scrap at any point - but again that comes down to the expectations of the owners. 

Bottom line, this isn't normal club. The manager appointed the CEO who is his pal. The owners appear to have little ambition for the club as they can clearly cover the losses and don't seem arsed by them. 

Just playing devil's advocate. I dont expect him to be sacked. 

Fair points. The emotion of it all can get the better of me, especially after the last 3 games. Perhaps 'he would be sacked from any other club' is too strong a point but it's really there to highlight what a shit show the management of this club - from the very top down - has become. 

And no, I absolutely don't expect him to be sacked. 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

We are seeing standard behaviour as a manager gets to the end of his shelf life. Confusing tactics, constant changes of side and system, increasingly odd interviews, poor body language.

It’s a bunch of players that are no longer responding to their manager, it happens, 4 years is an age in the modern game, and the side is now merely treading water, the team is crying out for a new voice. 

It is amplified here because these situations drag on much longer than they do at normal clubs.

This. 

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

36 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The chances of being able to continually bump along in mid table are nil. The minute you stand still in football you are actually going backwards.

I actually think the team is improving (on a player by player basis)  - and you have to give credit to TM for that. The fact that we aren't improving in terms of league position leaves only one conclusion - that we need to change manager to take that leap from mid-table under achievers to promotion candidates.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I actually think the team is improving (on a player by player basis)  - and you have to give credit to TM for that. The fact that we aren't improving in terms of league position leaves only one conclusion - that we need to change manager to take that leap from mid-table under achievers to promotion candidates.

Looking at the players on an individual basis only takes you so far. I can't see how his signings have been made with a view to creating a team. Unless you're planning to play with 6 in midfield that is

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I actually think the team is improving (on a player by player basis)  - and you have to give credit to TM for that. The fact that we aren't improving in terms of league position leaves only one conclusion - that we need to change manager to take that leap from mid-table under achievers to promotion candidates.

But are we improving player by player in relation to the teams we are vying with for promotion ?

[Blue blood]

36 minutes ago, phili said:

I fear we maybe this seasons Hull with how we are playing at the moment.

Our next set of fixtures look horrible, will he be able to sort it out or will he go down as our first manager to take us to League 1 twice in their tenure.

He just doesn't seem to know what to do anymore and it looks like he is desperate to be put out of his misery and sacked.

Thought about this and I think we are safe this season for a two key reasons. 

1 As we have proved this season we are still capable of playing badly and getting the odd result. Sure it's down to the inconsistency and dross in the league, as well as some individual brilliance from a few of our players but we will still pick up some points. 

2 We are (I think) about 10 points off relegation. This requires a three game swing where we get nothing and those in the relegation zone get wins. I'm sure we are capable of 3 losses but am equally sure that the teams in the relegation zone won't win 3 on the bounce before we pick up some points. 

Not a ringing endorsement of the team or manager and take away Armstrong's goals and you would be super worried. But until next season at least we are safe. 

[Ghost7]

It's a dangerous game when your manager hires your CEO.

A change should have been made in December, most fans could see it then and the season might have even been turned around.

Mowbray isn't the only person that needs to go.

[Boz]

I don't think that most right minded Rovers supporters take any delight in stating the blindingly obvious, that Tony's game is up. I agree that he sounds like a decent bloke, straight talking and did bring about the much needed stability, yet in football management there is in reality only a certain shelf life, before one becomes stale. Reconstructing teams is possibly one of the greatest challenges to any manager seeking longevity. 

Even he realises that there is no loyalty in football, those involved it's all about the money first and foremost, it's only us supporters who apply other criteria, like passion. He was able to see that the time was up for, Richie Smallwood, Charlie Mulgrew, Danny Graham, Craig Conway, Dom Samuel, so with a heavy heart he wished them well. 

So now it's his turn for someone to thank him and wish him well, to leave on the best possible terms, without further tarnishing his accomplishments at Rovers. Loyalty has it's place in engineering a successful team, yet can become cumbersome. I previously questioned whether his coaching team were up to it, yet he must consider that they are, despite the chaotic defending we have witnessed, especially on set pieces, so proposed he might be best to look for help. He is the man at the top, so his actions, or lack of, rest on his shoulders. 

Sadly he has never got to grips with our defence, he needed a big ugly experienced dominant centre half, yet failed, which I find surprising as that was exactly what he was as a player. Plus in my opinion, it's the easiest thing to accomplish, get it tight at the back and work forwards. We have a multitude of exciting and attacking options, save for the largest and strangest signing in SG. Added to this his various formations which only seem to confuse our players, remember footballers are young lads and not possibly the brightest, so perhaps err on trying to make your instructions fairly easy to follow? 

Now if Waggott, or whomever, do not act and soon, then regrettably they are culpable and need to be addressed. 

Edited February 18, 2021 by Boz

[Ewood Ace]

32 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I actually think the team is improving (on a player by player basis)  - and you have to give credit to TM for that. 

Really? Lenihan hasn't improved for many years, Bell has been poor during his time here, Ayala and Douglas looks shadows of the players they have been previously at this level and Williams hasn't improved in 4 years.

Rothwell has been at the club 3 years and the only thing that has been consistent about him is his inconsistency. Gallagher is a worse player now than 4 years ago thanks to Mowbray's shocking use of him. Brereton has improved slightly in that he has gone from looking like a Northern League player to a National league player. Buckley looks like a lost little boy in every game he plays, Travis' progress looks to have stunted in the last 12 months. Corry Evans has been the Corry Evans we have had for the last 7-8 years, a waste of space.

Bennett has been past it for a long time, Johnson is well past his best, Holtby's performances have been poorer the longer he has been here. Now Graham has gone I don't think that Mowbray has a clue how to use Dack.

The only 2 players I would say have really improved under Mowbray are Armstrong and Nyambe although I believe that Nyambe may be more in spite of Mowbray rather than due to him.

Edited February 18, 2021 by Ewood Ace