Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mattyblue]

5 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Seems clear to me that Mowbray was told a while ago it’s playoffs or bust. So he gambled on two young centre backs hoping for two more of Elliott’s standard, and then he gambled on bringing Travis and Dack back as soon as the bandages were off.

The gambled have failed, he has bombs going off all around him and he’s now shell shocked: no cards left to play, can’t think straight. A broken man. 

Seems a bit 2 + 2 = 5 here. Totally plausible scenario at a normal club, I just don’t see it as having unfolded like that here. Who ‘told’ him for a start?

Edited February 25, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Southside Rover]

Mowbray himself banged on at the start of the season that we should be top 6 which even if that was ambitious, it wasn't ridiculous. I'm pretty sure the transfer window backing was based around a similar commitment. I didn't expect anything in January after the Summer work but to me it looked like he was saying we are nearly there, we just need a bit more. 

I personally think there will be a change as its clear its now out of reach so why waste time with someone incapable. Better to start planning for next year in the hope positive signs with the right coach may convince others to stay or even join.

Venkys still get a lot of stick and I understand that but for me they have stayed away from interfering, they have backed us financially and whilst it's a sour debate, maybe their plans for the training pitches do have the best interests at heart whilst raising much needed cash. Until I see plans I don't have an opinion but they aren't football people and if they are advised it's the way to go whilst supporting the club financially, why wouldn't they listen to the people they employ. 

I believe Venkys will make that change as I think as business people they will recognise and can see a slide and performance drops like the rest of us. And they have seen it before as we have been inconsistent for a long time.

[yellowsubmarine]

8 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Thank you and good bye

I will omit the "Thank you". It's too late now.

[Mattyblue]

‘Best interests’ 🙄

It’ll certainly be in some people’s...

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

7 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Seems clear to me that Mowbray was told a while ago it’s playoffs or bust. So he gambled on two young centre backs hoping for two more of Elliott’s standard, and then he gambled on bringing Travis and Dack back as soon as the bandages were off.

The gambled have failed, he has bombs going off all around him and he’s now shell shocked: no cards left to play, can’t think straight. A broken man. 

This season is no different to the last two. Big talk of the top 6, extended bad runs, poor performances. lots of excuses and then 'see you next season'. 

Nothings changed as far as I can see.  He's under no pressure. 

They might sack him in the summer, but more likely they'll extend his contract after Waggott vouches for the job he's doing. 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, Southside Rover said:

Mowbray himself banged on at the start of the season that we should be top 6 which even if that was ambitious, it wasn't ridiculous. I'm pretty sure the transfer window backing was based around a similar commitment. I didn't expect anything in January after the Summer work but to me it looked like he was saying we are nearly there, we just need a bit more. 

I personally think there will be a change as its clear its now out of reach so why waste time with someone incapable. Better to start planning for next year in the hope positive signs with the right coach may convince others to stay or even join.

Venkys still get a lot of stick and I understand that but for me they have stayed away from interfering, they have backed us financially and whilst it's a sour debate, maybe their plans for the training pitches do have the best interests at heart whilst raising much needed cash. Until I see plans I don't have an opinion but they aren't football people and if they are advised it's the way to go whilst supporting the club financially, why wouldn't they listen to the people they employ. 

I believe Venkys will make that change as I think as business people they will recognise and can see a slide and performance drops like the rest of us. And they have seen it before as we have been inconsistent for a long time.

Billionaires selling off the Crown Jewels of Jack Walker’s legacy in the best interests of the club.

No, I’m struggling with that one.

[Gone to seed]

"It's a slow build"

Well, I'm at the point that if that is the case, I'm off to build a bonfire of my fondest memories of being around this club, the good times and the bad, the Shearer goals, the Batty & Le Saux handbags at 30 paces in Russia, Meccy going round in circles in the middle, Tugay ghosting past Liverpool's finest as if they weren't there, Terry Gennoe at full stretch, Andy Crawford tap ins, Kevin Hird and Waggy tearing up defences, Roger Jones calm and collected, Paul Dickov jumping like a flea to head in, the walk down Livesey Branch Road with my dad, the scramble to get through the turnstiles as the team come out onto the pitch, the long journeys as a teenager to see our heroes fall once again in some godforsaken shithole of a ground, Bentley's magic against United, Gamst's goal rammed imperiously past the fat hapless six fingered goalie in front of their stunned fans in the Darwen end, the whole team bossing it against cream of sides in the top flight (where we once believed we belong), and Tuesday nights on a blustery evening against Hereford with one man and his dog except the dog wasn't even bothered...

All of that and, like you all, much much more.... I think at this point I'll just park the bus on my memories, and wait patiently until something comes out of the fire that rages in the remains of Blackburn Rovers, because what remains no longer represents anything I recognise as being my club.

OUT!

[47er]

36 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

This season is no different to the last two. Big talk of the top 6, extended bad runs, poor performances. lots of excuses and then 'see you next season'. 

Nothings changed as far as I can see.  He's under no pressure. 

They might sack him in the summer, but more likely they'll extend his contract after Waggott vouches for the job he's doing. 

They'll get a shock with next seasons ST's if Mowbray is still here.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

40 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

This season is no different to the last two. Big talk of the top 6, extended bad runs, poor performances. lots of excuses and then 'see you next season'. 

Nothings changed as far as I can see.  He's under no pressure. 

They might sack him in the summer, but more likely they'll extend his contract after Waggott vouches for the job he's doing. 

I get your point but it is worse. Its five losses in a row. Its got to be the worst we've been at ths point in the season. And our upcoming fixtures, bar Coventry, are all against top of the table teams whom we haven't taken anything from this year, so it's going to get even worse. 

Yes Tony has been shit for some time, he's just been spectacularly shit this year. 

[rigger]

7 minutes ago, 47er said:

They'll get a shock with next seasons ST's if Mowbray is still here.

I should think they will be able to run a bus to pick up all the season ticket holders, if Mowbray stays.

[47er]

I can't stand it when Mowbray goes on about us all being on a "journey"

We're not. 

Accy Stanley.  Out of the League in the early 60's ( thanks to Burnley Bob) and out of existence for a while. A new ground.Then gradually moving through all the minor leagues and finally winning back their League status. Promotion to Div 3. Now looking good for promotion to the Championship, never been there have they?

All on tiny crowds without billionaire owners but with community support and wonderful relationships between club and supporters.

Not that's a journey. We used to have way more fans in Accrington than Stanley could ever hope for. Not any more I'd guess. Unless you've been a Rover for years, it'll be Accy Stanley for young lads there.

We are shooting ourselves in the foot everywhere you look.

 

[Dolly blue]

Remember the song......” Tony had a dream, to build a football team “?????

Well, at the last night’s final whistle this was it...

4 loanees 

1 right back he doesn’t rate and plays when he has to

1 Irishman getting minutes in his legs before the next international 

1  36  year old who couldn’t sign a contract in summer but could when he’d had no other offers in January 

1  6 million pound striker on the left wing 

2  players subbed ( Dack and Travis )looking broken and half the players they were.

.............some team Tony , some journey .....
 

[Waggy76]

56 minutes ago, 47er said:

They'll get a shock with next seasons ST's if Mowbray is still here.

Too bloody true they will , probably less than half of last seasons total ..

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

They'll get a shock with next seasons ST's if Mowbray is still here.

Absolutely, I won't be paying to watch Mowbray slumped on his seat whilst his team get dicked...and then listening to his bullshit after. 

[gumboots]

And this shows the depths Rovers have fallen to because when the unmentionable Ke*n was here the rhetoric was all about him not driving us out of the club, buying our STs regardless etc. Season ticket numbers dropped but were still reasonably healthy. Now I know of very few former ST holders who will be renewing for next season.

[perthblue02]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

I should think they will be able to run a bus to pick up all the season ticket holders, if Mowbray stays.

If the planned route is anything like Mowbray's journey , they will never arrive at Ewood

[gumboots]

But think how many penetrations into the Ribble Valley they could make

[Bigdoggsteel]

He is hard to listen to after games. Blaming young lads, blaming the issues in defence. Talking about us scoring goals and attacking. 

He set out his aims, he won't achieve them. Now is the time to do the right and honourable thing. 

[tomphil]

Venkys will have a meeting planned to discuss the progress or lack of it........... for the middle of June !

[RoversClitheroe]

Silence from the club is embarrassing. 

Same record for number of defeats in a row as Kean.

Mowbrays constant shifting of judgement drives me crazy.

Is he the honourable and honest man we all originally thought he was? 

[JHRover]

I, and I hope others, knew this point would come sooner or later. Investing everything into Mowbray's hands, just because he comes across as a nice man or did a decent job 3 years ago, was a disaster waiting to happen with this ownership.

We were always going to hit the buffers or unravel, because that's what all teams do sooner or later. 

Everything that has happened here has been on Mowbray's say-so or suggestion, not because the owners have suddenly changed their ways.

They still don't get what football manager is and how results and performances have always decided the position of a manager, not individual qualities or trust.

What a sorry, sorry, mess. We were always going to hit this point sooner or later.

Mowbray won't walk unless his position becomes untenable. That would only happen if we ended up like Coventry when he gave up there. As long as we're outside the bottom 3 he won't be under sufficient scrutiny to throw in the towel.

He's got the owners on side, just like Kean managed to do very quickly. We know how that works - go to India, have a few cups of tea at the bungalow, tell them how brilliant they are and ask them for some money and tell them you'll sort it all out without the need for them to do anything. The benefit is we get stability and money going into the transfer kitty but the downside is underachieving or failing managers being untouchable.

I had hoped this had changed with mystery man Pasha there to act as a buffer but it seems not.

Mowbray's not going to give this job up easily. Who can blame him. Its the best job he could hope for.

The onus shouldn't be on him to walk. It should be the club thanking him and parting ways in an orderly fashion.

 

 

[tomphil]

Well they needed Shebby to root out and push out Kean, they even needed to parachute a consultant in to boot Coyle.

Can't do that now because this consultant works for the manager. It's going to be a long old Spring/Summer/Autumn

Maybe by the next midwinter slump something will occur.

Edited February 25, 2021 by tomphil

[gumboots]

An organised resignation was how they referred to Lennon's leaving Celtic. ie they told him to go but allowed him to say he resigned.

[davulsukur]

Still here then?

[Bigdoggsteel]

@chaddyroverswould you take Big Mick now and his horrible brand of club re-invigorating,  promotion chasing football? 

Edited February 25, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel