Tony Mowbray Discussion

[oldjamfan1]

1 minute ago, davulsukur said:

If Waggott has said if they sack Mowbray then he goes to, then the bloke is absolutely pathetic and clearly doesn't have the interests of the club at heart. That alone should see him get his marching orders.

Unbelievable situation Venkys have got into, when are they going to learn that they can't run a club from India and put a proper structure in place at the club?

Hang on, am I reading this correctly? The CEO, who must have it within his remit to dispense with the services of employees should it become necessary, including the manager, has effectively (allegedly) made a threat to quit if 'they' sack the manager?

I've heard it all now. Get these charlatans out of my club. The bloody lot of them. 

[tomphil]

These lot have their feet firmly under the table, regardless of midtable mediocrity forever.

They have big plans for themselves, sorry, the club by the sounds of it.

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

What I’m hearing is venkys aren’t too chuffed, would like a change in direction with regards to management but wagshit has told them if Tony goes so do I. They don’t have a contact in England ready to step into that role and they can’t run club from India so they have been stuck trying to sort that out. Don’t believe that will change until the summer unless something suddenly becomes available, waggot can be talked round to potting his mate or things get so dire they are willing to risk it. They are not currently sounding out replacements for that scenario. 
both mowbray and maggot don’t expect to be here start of next season , hence both have become a bit arsey. 
Is the current state of play. Without corona , I believe he would already have gone 

I find the part about Waggott hard to believe. That would be career suicide being that difficult with your bosses. Would turn a lot off. 

I would be surprised if something wasn't going on behind the scenes though. 

[1864roverite]

Come on guys some of you are reacting to social media rubbish and NOT any credible sources! If there was anything credible you can bet your bottom dollar any half decent hack would be all over it rather than the odd member on a fans forum!!😂😂

[davulsukur]

14 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Hang on, am I reading this correctly? The CEO, who must have it within his remit to dispense with the services of employees should it become necessary, including the manager, has effectively (allegedly) made a threat to quit if 'they' sack the manager?

I've heard it all now. Get these charlatans out of my club. The bloody lot of them. 

no idea if it's true, just what @Bbrovers2288 has heard on the grapevine.

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

What I’m hearing is venkys aren’t too chuffed, would like a change in direction with regards to management but wagshit has told them if Tony goes so do I. They don’t have a contact in England ready to step into that role and they can’t run club from India so they have been stuck trying to sort that out. Don’t believe that will change until the summer unless something suddenly becomes available, waggot can be talked round to potting his mate or things get so dire they are willing to risk it. They are not currently sounding out replacements for that scenario. 
both mowbray and maggot don’t expect to be here start of next season , hence both have become a bit arsey. 
Is the current state of play. Without corona , I believe he would already have gone 

Thanks form sharing. 

I can't see Waggott telling Venkys he would quit. Remember what happened to Paul Hunt. 

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

You never know!  Wasn't Kean sacked on the way to an away fixture on a Friday afternoon?

I think there's been quite a bit of 'activity' since Wednesday's match finished.  Posts from @Bbrovers2288suggest the same.

why do you think that? What do you think has happened so far?

[Bbrovers2288]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I find the part about Waggott hard to believe. That would be career suicide being that difficult with your bosses. Would turn a lot off. 

I would be surprised if something wasn't going on behind the scenes though. 

Venkys would rather waggot stayed and that may still happen but he is holding his own for his man mowbray 

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I find the part about Waggott hard to believe. That would be career suicide being that difficult with your bosses. Would turn a lot off. 

I would be surprised if something wasn't going on behind the scenes though. 

There is also a rumour that he is planning on retiring at the end of the season. If that one is true, he is probably just trying to keep his mate in the hot seat in hope he turns it round. 

If Waggot gets sacked, he'll get a nice pay off and retire a few months early, not sure he'll be that bothered.

Edited February 26, 2021 by davulsukur

[RevidgeBlue]

10 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

What I’m hearing is venkys aren’t too chuffed, would like a change in direction with regards to management but wagshit has told them if Tony goes so do I. They don’t have a contact in England ready to step into that role and they can’t run club from India so they have been stuck trying to sort that out. Don’t believe that will change until the summer unless something suddenly becomes available, waggot can be talked round to potting his mate or things get so dire they are willing to risk it. They are not currently sounding out replacements for that scenario. 
both mowbray and maggot don’t expect to be here start of next season , hence both have become a bit arsey. 
Is the current state of play. Without corona , I believe he would already have gone 

This sounds wholly believable to me, did anyone really expect anything any different once Mowbray was allowed to recommend and appoint his own boss, a guy he'd worked with before? 

It's a complete conflict of interest and obviously they're going to protect each other's backs ferociously, you wouldn't expect anything else.

TBH after hearing Waggott attempt to explain the reasoning behind the Brockhall scheme, one with (according to him) no apparent advantages and only potential downside I'd far rather he went first before Mowbray.

At least a new CEO would deal with Mowbray at arm's length, as  it should be, and judge him on results.

And someone will be benefitting from the Brockhall scheme, it hasn't been thought up for no reason.

[RevidgeBlue]

If I were the owners and Waggott made that sort of ultimatum I also wouldn't  be able to believe my luck either.

"I say you sack one, you get one free!"

Edited February 26, 2021 by RevidgeBlue

[Stuart]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

This sounds wholly believable to me, did anyone really expect anything any different once Mowbray was allowed to recommend and appoint his own boss, a guy he'd worked with before? 

It's a complete conflict of interest and obviously they're going to protect each other's backs ferociously, you wouldn't expect anything else.

TBH after hearing Waggott attempt to explain the reasoning behind the Brockhall scheme, one with (according to him) no apparent advantages and only potential downside I'd far rather he went first before Mowbray.

At least a new CEO would deal with Mowbray at arm's length, as  it should be, and judge him on results.

And someone will be benefitting from the Brockhall scheme, it hasn't been thought up for no reason.

Absolutely right Rev.

The alarm bells were ringing when we heard that Waggott had allegedly said Mowbray is here until he decides to leave.

A CEO should not be personal friends with any manager. They have to be able to be objective. Football isn’t like a normal industry. Short term contracts are the norm, and players and managers come and go very quickly. They have to be able and prepared to have that conversation.

[Southside Rover]

12 hours ago, Stuart said:

Interesting perspective.

”I get the negativity but”

”Open minded about the proposal” [in which people who are already billionaires make more money - purpose unknown]

“Mr Walker” 🤔

If this is really about modernising Rovers then I will be hugely surprised. So far the downsizing proposals don’t appear to accommodate local planning issues, let alone ensuring Cat 1 status. The appear to be about freeing up valuable land.

What in particular about the proposals, and the way it was announced, gives you cause to be optimistic about this?

Perhaps you haven't read today's interview or you are naturally anti change? Perhaps you still travel by horse and cart? Maybe even scribe messages into the rocks?

Please don't feel the need to question my optimism as some can see the positives and do have an element of trust. Its a proposal and yet you sound like someone who has just heard the club has folded.

Do we really believe the whole stability piece was just Mowbray? Do we think Waggott would come to a club in millions of pounds of debt and slipping into obscurity just to sell off some land for some houses? I think there would be much more attractive options than where the club was when they came in and more importantly where it was heading.

I wrote what I did last night and to me, today's interview only confirmed where my head was with a little more detail. A lot of what is talked about is what many clubs have done other than start fresh at a new ground and base which usually gets criticised as the history is lost etc.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Perhaps you haven't read today's interview or you are naturally anti change? Perhaps you still travel by horse and cart? Maybe even scribe messages into the rocks?

Please don't feel the need to question my optimism as some can see the positives and do have an element of trust. Its a proposal and yet you sound like someone who has just heard the club has folded.

Do we really believe the whole stability piece was just Mowbray? Do we think Waggott would come to a club in millions of pounds of debt and slipping into obscurity just to sell off some land for some houses? I think there would be much more attractive options than where the club was when they came in and more importantly where it was heading.

I wrote what I did last night and to me, today's interview only confirmed where my head was with a little more detail. A lot of what is talked about is what many clubs have done other than start fresh at a new ground and base which usually gets criticised as the history is lost etc.

Is that you Steve ?

What are the advantages of the proposed scheme over what we currently have as outlined by you (sorry Waggott) today?

What were you (sorry Waggott) doing job wise when your (sorry Waggott's)  mate Tony recommended you (sorry Waggott) for the job?

[1864roverite]

There is not a shred of evidence to back up the rabid conjecture that is being suggested. Come on folks let’s get serious.

We know he needs to go, we know he won’t fall on his sword and we know he won’t accept any element of criticism or blame.

A man who needs replacing but who will no doubt find a way of surviving for a few more weeks!

[Mattyblue]

He mentioned combining sites ‘like Everton’, ‘a manager being able to walk across to a youth team pitch’ and ‘state of the art’

All it takes, obviously, is a few sentences to get the gullible on board. Obviously negated to say how the footprint of Everton’s Finch Farm is far bigger than the JTC, or how Cat 1 required floodlights have been previously turned down or how there isn’t space for Cat 1 required classrooms,  but you know, ‘state of the art’, Waggott said, so let’s get those bulldozers ordered.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Tom]

https://t.co/UVv9VIOnYJ
 

Infuriating stuff, basically Stevey makes every excuse under the sun for Tony, poor Tony he’s had it tough.

Confirmation that he’s here until he sees fit to leave 

[Stuart]

19 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Perhaps you haven't read today's interview or you are naturally anti change? Perhaps you still travel by horse and cart? Maybe even scribe messages into the rocks?

Please don't feel the need to question my optimism as some can see the positives and do have an element of trust. Its a proposal and yet you sound like someone who has just heard the club has folded.

Do we really believe the whole stability piece was just Mowbray? Do we think Waggott would come to a club in millions of pounds of debt and slipping into obscurity just to sell off some land for some houses? I think there would be much more attractive options than where the club was when they came in and more importantly where it was heading.

I wrote what I did last night and to me, today's interview only confirmed where my head was with a little more detail. A lot of what is talked about is what many clubs have done other than start fresh at a new ground and base which usually gets criticised as the history is lost etc.

Yet another “interesting” reply.

I don’t believe for one minute we are a stable club. I believe that stability is a complete veneer and made up as a defence for mediocrity. A platitude akin to “at least it’s not Kean”.

Sadly some fans have deluded themselves into believing that anyone at the club has anything but their own interests at heart.

I have to believe that you are not a local fan and are somewhat removed from the reality of watching your home town club be ripped apart by absolute charlatans. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are actually a Rovers fan - if a deluded one.

 

[Wovers]

12 minutes ago, Tom said:

https://t.co/UVv9VIOnYJ
 

Infuriating stuff, basically Stevey makes every excuse under the sun for Tony, poor Tony he’s had it tough.

Confirmation that he’s here until he sees fit to leave 

Well, I won’t step foot inside ewood again whilst them two are there. Granted I don’t go much anyway these days, was a ST holder, but haven’t been since venkys where here. I was contemplating coming back before covid, but now, no thanks.

[Mattyblue]

17 minutes ago, Tom said:

https://t.co/UVv9VIOnYJ
 

Infuriating stuff, basically Stevey makes every excuse under the sun for Tony, poor Tony he’s had it tough.

Confirmation that he’s here until he sees fit to leave 

Why is he constantly apologising? What does that do? He doesn’t manage the team, his job is to offer solutions for parts of the enterprise that are failing, a Chief Exec usually has the actual authority to stop the rot, not be a mere hostage to fortune with his hands in the air. Probably a module in his MBA that suggests ‘open and honest communication with customers, take responsibility etc.’

 

‘I don’t want to make excuses, but... pitch, Covid, locked training ground, takeaway food, injuries, weather ‘

Best bit, ‘started with great football, the weather was mild, pitches slick’... obviously new to the meteorological phenomenon called ‘seasons’.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Mattyblue

[booth]

Now down to 16th without even playing, no chance of Mowbray getting the chop.

[matt83]

18 minutes ago, Tom said:

https://t.co/UVv9VIOnYJ
 

Infuriating stuff, basically Stevey makes every excuse under the sun for Tony, poor Tony he’s had it tough.

Confirmation that he’s here until he sees fit to leave 

Jesus wept. Everything I feared. 

[booth]

38 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Do we think Waggott would come to a club in millions of pounds of debt and slipping into obscurity just to sell off some land for some houses? I think there would be much more attractive options than where the club was when they came in and more importantly where it was heading.

What were his other options?

[RevidgeBlue]

30 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Why is he constantly apologising? What does that do? He doesn’t manage the team, his job is to offer solutions for parts of the enterprise that are failing, a Chief Exec usually has the actual authority to stop the rot, not be a mere hostage to fortune with his hands in the air. Probably a module in his MBA that suggests ‘open and honest communication with customers, take responsibility etc.’

 

‘I don’t want to make excuses, but... pitch, Covid, locked training ground, takeaway food, injuries, weather ‘

Best bit, ‘started with great football, the weather was mild, pitches slick’... obviously new to the meteorological phenomenon called ‘seasons’.

We have been a bit unlucky with injuries but that's part of the game and nobody forced him to sign an unreliable injury prone 29/30 year old CB who had barely played in 2020 and a  couple of 18 year old to play at CB when we have a 20 year old CB of our own we could have used.

Other than that the challenges presented by Covid have been the same for every Club. And most Clubs don't have the financial cushion of multi billionaire owners bailing them out.

Just covering his mate's back. A proper unbiased CEO would either have said nothing or admitted that results hadn't been good enough and left it at that. They certainly wouldn't be rolling out excuses for the manager.

[Southside Rover]

48 minutes ago, booth said:

What were his other options?

Ask his wife. What kind of a question is that? No one on this forum would know or have any business knowing.

[Southside Rover]

It doesn't matter if I live in Torquay or Blackburn. I'm still a fan and a regular in the days we all could. Where I live has got nothing to do with me giving an opinion.

I am as frustrated as the rest in regards to Mowbray as I've shared so not sure why it makes me "Steve". You contradict yourselves.

My point is the club has stabilised from where it was, plenty of others besides me have commented on that but it's TM that gets the credit as he is the public face. I'm not saying its perfect and turned around but it's in a better state than it was. 

I work in a sector that's full of people who hate change and always want everything to stay the same, much like here. I've achieved a lot in my career but nearly always the change is greeted with resistance and negativity yet through the right involvement and communication I can get people on board and make each project or change a success. The communication ball's up last weekend hasn't helped but from a week on this forum its clear to me that the only thing me "Steve" lol or the owners can do is leave. No matter what they suggest or try will never be right or accepted.

I'm not deluded, I'm not gullible I just agree on the way forward given the limited resources, space etc to make that possible. 

Very little income for 12 months and the club announces these plans and strengthen both in the summer and with a little business in January. Where do we think the money comes from? Alternative is cash in on Armstrong maybe Dack if he finds form and then the daggers will be out for that. Its a similar mindset to a nation that expects a government to have a bottomless pit of cash to support everyone's needs but can never do right from wrong because the armchair keyboard warriors are Pep in disguise, CEO in the making, prime minister in the making. Truth is we know very little, next to nothing of what goes on and yet judge mostly in hindsight based on snippets and rumours. 

If I was Venkys and read some of the stuff on here, I'd pull out and see how long the club stood, hand it over to the fans and let these know all masters on here take the club into Europe. Forget Hughes and Bellamy, we've got Stuart and Wovers!!!