Tony Mowbray Discussion

[AllRoverAsia]

Well that was an interesting interlude.

Reminds me of the lad who went to the Zoo, up to the Tiger cage, stuck his hand in and then cries when it got bitten off.

 

[Ewood Ace]

23 minutes ago, dcbrfc said:

And yes I’m sticking with Mowbray because after all he’s done for the club - he’s the best thing to happen to Blackburn Rovers since Venky’s walked through the doors 10 years ago -

This is what Mowbray's backers say this but why is he better than Bowyer? Bowyer like Mowbray inherited a poor side in a relegation battle but unlike Mowbray he kept us up. Then he finished 8th and 9th higher than Mowbray has ever guided us and he did it by spending less on players in total than Mowbray has spent on Gallagher alone and he isn't even Mowbray's most expensive signing.

23 minutes ago, dcbrfc said:

I just feel he deserves a bit longer. If we get sucked into a proper relegation battle then yea sack him but as things stand we should give him more time, support the team and hope results can change.

If it wasn't for Sheffield Wednesday's points deduction then we would be in a relegation battle. Mowbray has had 4 years and spent what must be getting on for £20 Million and we are only 8 places better off than when he took over. If you gave that sort of time and money to the likes of a Warnock, Pearson, Hughton, McCarthy they'd have got promotion not hanging on for a point at home to Coventry to keep some breathing space from the bottom 3.

[matt83]

1 hour ago, dcbrfc said:

And yes I’m sticking with Mowbray because after all he’s done for the club - he’s the best thing to happen to Blackburn Rovers since Venky’s walked through the doors 10 years ago

Would you say Mowbray has done any better than Bowyer after the mess he inherited from Kean et al? Either way it’s an unacceptably low bar that’s been set by the Venkys.

[Richard Oakley]

@dcbrfc So passive-aggressive. So much flannel. You'd be surprised in how many classrooms it is teacher against pupils. You must have forgotten. Too many think that the kids they teach can't learn. Some kids don't want to learn. Pupils know who bad teachers are, but can't get rid of them. Kids know, if they're in a failing school. They don't need OFSTED to tell them that. They do need action to get new people in charge. We're in a failing 'school' and we can't change things. Unlike pupils, we can stay away.

Mowbray couldn't turn around Coyle's mess and he certainly can't fix a mess of his own making. A nightmare I have of stating next season under Mowbray in League 1, ground sharing with Championship Accrington Stanley. A nightmare Mowbray and co are contributing to, right now.

I don't see any points from our games in March, except maybe a point from Millwall because Mowbray usually gets the game plan right against them. We're six points off 21st.

What is journalism today? A week ago the headline was asking who could fix the mess at Barcelona. This week Barcelona are 2 points behind La Liga's leader.

What journalist worth his or her salt would take a line spun by a club verbatim without quibble?

How did Mowbray approach the last 27 minutes, yesterday. Brought on a defensive midfielder with 27 minutes to go, indicating he was settling for a draw. That didn't even change after Coventry went down to 10 men. The idea that Mowbray's teams play attractive football is a distorted one drawn from his West Brom sides over a decade ago that have no relevance today.

Mowbray has done nothing positive for this club. His backers say he's brought stability. That's equilibrium, neither negative nor positive. Our Championship future was at stake, when he came. We're in the same position now. We already know Mowbray has failed once, in this position. It does not seem very clever to expect a different outcome with the same manager and assistants in place. The idea that another manager couldn't do better is laughable.

It is, of course, up to Venkys.

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, Theaxe15 said:

I can see that 11 points being eaten up pretty rapidly after the next few games of 0 points. 

Appreciate the stability Mowbray brought to the club with the promotion and behind the scenes work, so I get where you are coming from there, but our performances have been wretched for the last year and a half asides from a month or two at the beginning of this season. I don't see how he deserves more time with it 

Considering our March points haul will likely reflect February's, i can see that 11 point gap reducing pretty quickly.

[TheRoversReturn]

4 hours ago, Ossydave said:

Bad news folks, Birdie's given Mowbray the vote of confidence on Facebook now.

Who? Why?

[matt83]

2 minutes ago, TheRoversReturn said:

Who? Why?

An old fella who goes to every game. Think views himself as a mr Blackburn Rovers. Stuck by Kean until the bitter end. 

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Well he got us out of the old third division once, maybe he could do it again.

Be a different kettle of fish this time, he wouldn't have Dack or Arma to bail him out. And Elliott would be back at Liverpool.

He wouldn't get us back up another time.

[windymiller7]

Avoided coming on here yesterday after the game as I was so angry at yet another abject performance, devoid of anything even remotely resembling tactics or passion. 

I consoled myself in the hope that maybe, just maybe, I'd get up today,  check in & he'd either be gone or strong rumours that they were dotting the i's & crossing the t's  on his pay off.

But no. Nothing. Nada!. What the hell does it take to get rid of this clown?

All the talk from these muppets saying 'yeah, get rid when we're in a relegation battle' is stupid. The time for change is BEFORE we get in a relegation battle as by then it's usually too late. The writing is on the wall, read it!

These people must be the sort that hear a strange noise coming from their car engine so just turn the radio up so they can't hear it. They then cry when the car eventually packs up & they're told it needs a new engine rather than the new cam belt which caused the issue!

[Gone to seed]

1 hour ago, dcbrfc said:

Because times have changed. Souness days were some of the best I’ve experienced (missed a lot of the Hughes time as was away at uni). But we were a Premier League club back then in a different era. The game is different now. Look at the clubs in this league who have bigger budgets and far better squads. And I’m not saying we should never be back there I just don’t think it’s a realistic expectation right now. We were a Second Division club for what 15 years before we went up in 92? And yes I’m sticking with Mowbray because after all he’s done for the club - he’s the best thing to happen to Blackburn Rovers since Venky’s walked through the doors 10 years ago - I just feel he deserves a bit longer. If we get sucked into a proper relegation battle then yea sack him but as things stand we should give him more time, support the team and If  results can change.

Are you so blind you can't actually see reality staring you in the face?

If you, and your mate at the LT, Sharpe, claim to be trained journalists, then for goodness sake have some professional integrity the both of you, and start asking some decent and incisive questions, rather than this inane drivel you constantly spout. IMO that is a complete abrogation of your responsibility as a journalist, unless of course you are being paid to spout the horseshit whilst telling the rest of us that all is well at the club.

Some of us know horseshit when we smell it.

Step up man.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, dcbrfc said:

Because times have changed. Souness days were some of the best I’ve experienced (missed a lot of the Hughes time as was away at uni). But we were a Premier League club back then in a different era. The game is different now. Look at the clubs in this league who have bigger budgets and far better squads. And I’m not saying we should never be back there I just don’t think it’s a realistic expectation right now. We were a Second Division club for what 15 years before we went up in 92? And yes I’m sticking with Mowbray because after all he’s done for the club - he’s the best thing to happen to Blackburn Rovers since Venky’s walked through the doors 10 years ago - I just feel he deserves a bit longer. If we get sucked into a proper relegation battle then yea sack him but as things stand we should give him more time, support the team and hope results can change.

Kudos to you for coming on here and putting your opinion forward.

I'd like to ask you what confidence you have in Mowbray when tactically we have been poor this season aside from the early part. Also bizarre team selection and set up gives me no confidence in him going forward - are you happy with them aspects of his management?

Sentiment has no room in professional sport and many who want him to be given more time point to a promotion from League One s a reason to give him longer. With a budget which eclipsed all the others he should have got us up. You actually mentioned the budgets of several Championship teams as an argument to justify our mid table position so to praise Mowbray for getting us up with a huge budget is hollow in my view - it was expected.

Waggott said last week that if you stand still in football you fall behind but yet he and others are happy to stick with a manager who has us treading water and in performance terms have been mediocre.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

true, But its rare that any of our centre midfielders which there is generally 3 off get into the box enough. We played Travis, Evans and Rothwell yesterday. Travis and Rothwell should be getting into the box regularly and leave Evans sitting in front of the back 4

Mowbray seems to rate players who "hold their position" like Evans and Smallwood to the extent that proper  players like Harrison Reed have to sit on the sidelines and learn how they play according to our esteemed leader.

I'm sure I remember Travis being a lot more dynamic and proactive when he first burst into the side as well.

He's been Mowbrayed. It'll be tragic if he ends up being Lowe/Evans/Trybull Mk 4.

[Mattyblue]

Trybull was the epitome of a phoned in performance yesterday...

[RevidgeBlue]

29 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Be a different kettle of fish this time, he wouldn't have Dack or Arma to bail him out. And Elliott would be back at Liverpool.

He wouldn't get us back up another time.

Indeed not. Well seemingly a fully fit Dack anyhow. We struck lucky with him (credit to TM for signing him and the owners for funding it) but we wouldn't have been anywhere near promotion without him.

[gumboots]

So how do we get rid of Mowbray? 

[tomphil]

I do think this 'All he's done for the club' spiel is getting a bit worn out now.  It's like a tagline for his groupies.

End of they day they need to wake up and realize all that can be wiped out in one season.  He's the most experienced Venkys landed on with the HSH roulette wheel and that is the main reason for his steady hand behind the scenes.

On the pitch he's done nothing the inexperienced Bowyer didn't do and he is the best backed manager here since Hughes.  Discounting the evil one of course.

All this helps and i wish they wouldn't lose sight of the fact that this is what he's paid to do. It's why teams have managers he isn't doing anything countless others don't do at others clubs.

For this he'll be paid somewhere in the region of 500k to a million pounds per year. This club and these owners and our fans have been very very good for Mr Mowbray and family.  

It's a two way thing so quit with the stupid worship and judge him like managers are judged.  Results and targets.

Edited February 28, 2021 by tomphil

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 hours ago, dcbrfc said:

Because times have changed. Souness days were some of the best I’ve experienced (missed a lot of the Hughes time as was away at uni). But we were a Premier League club back then in a different era. The game is different now. Look at the clubs in this league who have bigger budgets and far better squads. And I’m not saying we should never be back there I just don’t think it’s a realistic expectation right now. We were a Second Division club for what 15 years before we went up in 92? And yes I’m sticking with Mowbray because after all he’s done for the club - he’s the best thing to happen to Blackburn Rovers since Venky’s walked through the doors 10 years ago - I just feel he deserves a bit longer. If we get sucked into a proper relegation battle then yea sack him but as things stand we should give him more time, support the team and hope results can change.

Honestly though, could you see a promotion push under him? 

[Waggy76]

53 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Be a different kettle of fish this time, he wouldn't have Dack or Arma to bail him out. And Elliott would be back at Liverpool.

He wouldn't get us back up another time.

Not to mention Danny Graham and Charlie Mulgrew , 2 players who have not been replaced ....

[Mattyblue]

10 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Honestly though, could you see a promotion push under him? 

A lot of fans have had their expectations dumbed down that much that they don’t even see promotion as something we should be aspiring to. ‘We need to be realistic’ - ergo plodding with TM is perfectly fine.

[Bigdoggsteel]

What's really annoying me about him now, is the excuses he puts out after every game. It's never his fault. Even though he plays players out of position and seems incapable of motivating players prior to games and on many occasions at half time. Plus the most common excuses he gives impact on every team, not just us. He has had time and money to sort his team out, yet we all know the ongoing issues. 

He really needs to have some pride now and walk. He said the aim was the play offs. We are miles off. 

This is actually frustrating. 

Edited February 28, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, dcbrfc said:

Because times have changed. Souness days were some of the best I’ve experienced (missed a lot of the Hughes time as was away at uni). But we were a Premier League club back then in a different era. The game is different now. Look at the clubs in this league who have bigger budgets and far better squads. And I’m not saying we should never be back there I just don’t think it’s a realistic expectation right now. We were a Second Division club for what 15 years before we went up in 92? And yes I’m sticking with Mowbray because after all he’s done for the club - he’s the best thing to happen to Blackburn Rovers since Venky’s walked through the doors 10 years ago - I just feel he deserves a bit longer. If we get sucked into a proper relegation battle then yea sack him but as things stand we should give him more time, support the team and hope results can change.

This sounds very patronising but the "problem" with fans who only started supporting through the glory Jack/King Kenny years or the subsequent relatively frugal but well managed Walker Trust is that they have never seen us compete and punch above our weight at the equivalent of Championship and  League 1 level in the days when we genuinely didn't have a pot to widdle in under far better managers than Mowbray.

Mowbray doesn't know he's born in comparison. Most Clubs have to cut their cloth accordingly and trade players when necessary to raise finances. Our manager is simply allowed to pile players on top of more players, is never asked to sell anyone, is never asked to get rid of the dead wood and every time he blunders in the transfer market any cap in hand request for extra funding is met in the affirmative. Then the owners just inject an eight figure sum in share capital each season and on we go.

What on earth makes you think he deserves another season? Given the fact that he is doing statistically worse than he did with Coyle's squad when he arrived I really don't understand it. Or do you think that 15th or so in the Championship is the best we can expect? Good job you weren't a Wycombe fan a few years ago, you'd probably have been going "Let's forget these silly notions of promotion from League 2 lads, just remember who we are."

I know everyone's entitled to their opinion but blimey. If someone said "That Hitler, he wasn't so bad was he?" then that's an opinion but you wouldn't give it any weight whatsoever and you'd think the person putting it forward was extremely strange.

Not that I'm comparing TM to Hitler in any way shape or form, obviously, but your opinion he should get another season,  based on what we've seen from him thus far, is so wide of the mark as not to be worthy of serious consideration imo.

Well done on your professional qualifications BTW. It's unfair of people to knock you on that basis but I'm sure you'd agree the most educated person in the world could hold the most insightful or the most misguided opinion on any topic.

 

[Stuart]

2 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

How many points from safety is the trigger point? 

-6 at a guess.

[Silas]

2 hours ago, dcbrfc said:

What does concern me is the constant tearing down of fellow fans for their differing opinions. 

Very noble attitude to have, well done you for respecting other opinions and not tearing down.

Just one thing though.....in the last week alone you've put your stamp of approval on tweets calling fellow fans "absolutely pathetic" and "petulant children". 

Just wondering where that falls in your spectrum of Zen enlightenment? 🤔

Let me guess, it's just the folk with an opposing opinion to you that are acting like big meanies? 

 

 

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

What's really annoying me about him now, is the excuses he puts out after every game. It's never his fault. Even though he plays players out of position and seems incapable of motivating players prior to games and on many occasions at half time. Plus the most common excuses he gives impact on every team, not just us. He has had time and money to sort his team out, yet we all know the ongoing issues. 

He really needs to have some pride now and walk. He said the aim was the play offs. We are miles off. 

This is actually frustrating. 

That's been going on for a long time, not just recently.

I wish people would also stop picking up on a throw away quote he made years ago and stop expecting him to just walk out without a pay off. It isn't going to happen and you wouldn't expect any sane person to do the same either. Gone are the days where they were on a few hundred pounds a week.

The owners are going to have to sack him to get him out and it's all he deserves on the basis of his performance since returning to the Championship. The most we could expect from Mowbray would be for him to approach the owners asking for a relatively dignified exit "by mutual consent" with the appropriate pay off.

[Bigdoggsteel]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That's been going on for a long time, not just recently.

I wish people would also stop picking up on a throw away quote he made years ago and stop expecting him to just walk out without a pay off. It isn't going to happen and you wouldn't expect any sane person to do the same either. Gone are the days where they were on a few hundred pounds a week.

The owners are going to have to sack him to get him out and it's all he deserves on the basis of his performance since returning to the Championship. The most we could expect from Mowbray would be for him to approach the owners asking for a relatively dignified exit "by mutual consent" with the appropriate pay off.

Never said I expected him to walk and I wasn't referring to his previous comments. I was referring to the fact that he said what his aim was and he won't achieve that.