Tony Mowbray Discussion

[simongarnerisgod]

holy ****,has anybody seen our next six games,we are well and truly in the smelly stuff

[Mattyblue]

3 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Would you say that perhaps in many cases that it’s more about backing the status quo than about backing the manager?

Then when the club finally takes action and the axe falls, the same people will praise the club for making the right decision.

 

I wouldn’t say so, as pretty much every other manager we’ve had in the last decade has received at least some criticism from said WhatsAppers, as is just normal with football fans - it is a totally unique phenomenon with TM this.

The last paragraph, of course, it will all be ‘yeah probably time for a change’ if he went tomorrow.

 

Edited February 28, 2021 by Mattyblue

[booth]

3 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Would you say that perhaps in many cases that it’s more about backing the status quo than about backing the manager?

Then when the club finally takes action and the axe falls, the same people will praise the club for making the right decision.

 

Some people think that by criticising the manager you’re not a real fan. I saw it said before the Coventry match. A bloke (from down south somewhere) said whoever doesn’t get behind Tony Mowbray isn’t a real fan along with some name calling, and that comment got a ton of likes and several replies of “well said” and “couldn’t agree more.” These were from local fans. It must be a strange world to live in to have zero opinion on what you’re witnessing.

[martonrover]

1 minute ago, booth said:

Some people think that by criticising the manager you’re not a real fan. I saw it said before the Coventry match. A bloke (from down south somewhere) said whoever doesn’t get behind Tony Mowbray isn’t a real fan along with some name calling, and that comment got a ton of likes and several replies of “well said” and “couldn’t agree more.” These were from local fans. It must be a strange world to live in to have zero opinion on what you’re witnessing.

Yes, there are plenty out there like that, I have no doubt. 

That’s what I was getting at, but you worded it better.

[booth]

10 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I wouldn’t say so, as pretty much every other manager we’ve had in the last decade has received at least some criticism from said WhatsAppers, as is just normal with football fans - it is a totally unique phenomenon with TM this.

The last paragraph, of course, it will all be ‘yeah probably time for a change’ if he went tomorrow.

 

I’m not sure it’s totally unique. I remember people defending Kean on TV at the height of his ineptitude.

As I said on another thread I saw a guy trying to initiate a fight in the riverside in front of his wife and young child because one guy shouted Kean out.

[Bbrovers2288]

27 minutes ago, Fraserkirky said:

Quick success with Huddersfield in this division with less resources than Venkys are providing. Best pals with Klopp, could lean on loans from Liverpool. Will keep the ganguepress style of play that we all enjoyed at the start of season. History of bringing though youngsters, Cat A academy. 
Sounds mental, but I would like a foreign coach to get a go. 

Well I think Tony is doing both jobs right now, so yeah you would need too.

Did you see his spell with Schalke, that has now led to that German giant getting relegated. Worse than a Tony defeat death spiral. No thanks. And I don’t want to be leaning on loans 

[Mattyblue]

6 minutes ago, booth said:

I’m not sure it’s totally unique. I remember people defending Kean on TV at the height of his ineptitude.

As I said on another thread I saw a guy trying to initiate a fight in the riverside in front of his wife and young child because one guy shouted Kean out.

Not like this. Kean had lost the vast, vast majority of fans well before the end, even earlier on a lot of the rows were about how it ‘doesn’t help the team’ to protest, not that Kean needed supporting personally. However, if TM was sacked tomorrow it wouldn’t be because of fan pressure.

What makes TM is unique in the fact that he doesn’t ever even receive mild criticism, never mind calls for his head from large swathes of fans.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Lucimo]

12 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

holy ****,has anybody seen our next six games,we are well and truly in the smelly stuff

I think most fans with their finger on the pulse yes. That's why we are crying out for TM to go now and not giving him any longer. For me the next winnable game is Wycombe in April. This situation is dire, the players are either not listening to Tony which is bad, or they are, which is worse. And the closer we get to the drop zone, I fear for us because we have no fight in that team.

[arbitro]

7 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I wouldn’t say so, as pretty much every other manager we’ve had in the last decade has received at least some criticism from said WhatsAppers, as is just normal with football fans - it is a totally unique phenomenon with TM this.

The last paragraph, of course, it will all be ‘yeah probably time for a change’ if he went tomorrow.

 

I honestly think that some fans really believe that any criticism of the club by them is almost being disloyal and therefore pretty much defend anything or in some cases don't offer an opinion. Thinking back to the protest times many fans were critical and sometimes aggressive towards those protesting and I really think that some of the fans you are referring to fell into that category.

[Mattyblue]

7 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I honestly think that some fans really believe that any criticism of the club by them is almost being disloyal and therefore pretty much defend anything or in some cases don't offer an opinion. Thinking back to the protest times many fans were critical and sometimes aggressive towards those protesting and I really think that some of the fans you are referring to fell into that category.

But they aren’t, this is why it’s so bloody strange, these aren’t happy clappers we are talking about, just normal fans who have never previously not slagged off managers, the majority were on the marches, signing petitions a decade back. It is solely a TM thing. I can only think it is the trauma of L1 relegation.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, Fraserkirky said:

Quick success with Huddersfield in this division with less resources than Venkys are providing. Best pals with Klopp, could lean on loans from Liverpool. Will keep the ganguepress style of play that we all enjoyed at the start of season. History of bringing though youngsters, Cat A academy. 
Sounds mental, but I would like a foreign coach to get a go. 

Well I think Tony is doing both jobs right now, so yeah you would need too.

I think you have to huge credit to Huddersfield Sporting Director Stuart Webber for hiring Wagner and the signings for that promotion. Before he left for Norwich..

I think Wagner made alot of poor signings after Webber left there

 But we all have different opinions on replacements and who we would go for. I also think experience Sporting director at the club with overseas head coach isnt the worst idea tbh. 

2 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Did you see his spell with Schalke, that has now led to that German giant getting relegated. Worse than a Tony defeat death spiral. No thanks. And I don’t want to be leaning on loans 

 

[den]

It’s quite simple really, win games and nobody will be on Mowbrays back.

People suggesting that isn’t a high priority are the problem.

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, Lucimo said:

I think most fans with their finger on the pulse yes. That's why we are crying out for TM to go now and not giving him any longer. For me the next winnable game is Wycombe in April. This situation is dire, the players are either not listening to Tony which is bad, or they are, which is worse. And the closer we get to the drop zone, I fear for us because we have no fight in that team.

The next winnable game, is always, and always will be , the next game. No matter who it is against.

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, rigger said:

The next winnable game, is always, and always will be , the next game. No matter who it is against.

er,in our present state i don`t see a game away at reading as winnable,unless some biblical miracle occurs and we start to be organised and defensively sound

[booth]

8 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Not like this. Kean had lost the vast, vast majority of fans well before the end, even earlier on a lot of the rows were about how it ‘doesn’t help the team’ to protest, not that Kean needed supporting personally. However, if TM was sacked tomorrow it wouldn’t be because of fan pressure.

What makes TM is unique in the fact that he doesn’t ever even receive mild criticism, never mind calls for his head from large swathes of fans.

I agree it’s not on the same level as Kean, I was just meaning there’s always a type of person who won’t have anything said bad about anyone behind the scenes at the club. They’ll slate individual players but manager, CEO or chairman get a free pass. It’s like they don’t think a manager is really necessary to achieve results and it’s purely down to the players.

They don’t seem to want to acknowledge it’s the manager who brings in the players, picks them and coaches them.

[RV Blue]

Not even a murmur of him going, beginning to feel more and more like the Kean era - a failing, yet unsackable, manager, depressing.

[Mattyblue]

7 minutes ago, booth said:

I agree it’s not on the same level as Kean, I was just meaning there’s always a type of person who won’t have anything said bad about anyone behind the scenes at the club. They’ll slate individual players but manager, CEO or chairman get a free pass. It’s like they don’t think a manager is really necessary to achieve results and it’s purely down to the players.

They don’t seem to want to acknowledge it’s the manager who brings in the players, picks them and coaches them.

My point is, I can’t recall a manager, and I include actual quality managers like Hughes, Souness, Allardyce who did actual consistently good jobs year after year, that was this immune to even slight criticism from so many fans.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Mattyblue

[jim mk2]

 

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

Didn't Watford have 4 managers in one season the previous time they won promotion?

Instability clearly works at some clubs

 

Edited February 28, 2021 by jim mk2

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

16 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Not like this. Kean had lost the vast, vast majority of fans well before the end, even earlier on a lot of the rows were about how it ‘doesn’t help the team’ to protest, not that Kean needed supporting personally. However, if TM was sacked tomorrow it wouldn’t be because of fan pressure.

What makes TM is unique in the fact that he doesn’t ever even receive mild criticism, never mind calls for his head from large swathes of fans.

I occasionally read the comments under Sharpe's twitter feed. People on there seem to universally want him out. Also, a few in the LT comments have turned having previously been staunch TM fans. 

Edited February 28, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[Mattyblue]

2 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I occasionally read the comments under Sharpe's twitter feed. People on there seem to universally want him out. Also, a few in the LT comments have turned having previously been staunch TM fans. 

End of the day it’s all either anecdotal (like my WhatsApp) or going off unreliable sources like social media.

Without fans in grounds it is really hard to gauge. Personally, I’d say he’s lost ground with the fanbase in recent days, but his position isn’t untenable, like say, Coyle’s was with the vast majority in February  2017.

[Dolly blue]

2 minutes ago, den said:

It’s quite simple really, win games and nobody will be on Mowbrays back.

People suggesting that isn’t a high priority are the problem.

I agree @den...winning games is important...but, it’s more than that for me...I will be on his back until he

1 develops our Cat 1 players ( currently they are hammered into confidence less  shells ..or sent on loan to be replaced by inferior bodies 

2 admits / or does something about the fact that he is dreadful defensively in his set up and his signings 

3 Improves the mental and physical  fitness if the squad

4 Shows that he understands and executes systems of play 

5 Shows a pride in our club by letting others worry about us instead of us being scared of an opponent’s  left back ( meaning changes to our play and personnel)

6 Plays each player to his strength 

7 Tells the truth

8 Shows the the fan base a little respect instead of condemning what we feel / say 

9 Puts his brain in gear before addressing the current issues with the press 

It’s not much to ask....I would think a standard job spec for most clubs....and he fails on every point. 
The damage is vast ...I will be in his back until we recognise our club again 

[JacknOry]

1 point from 18 and a nightmare 6 games ciming up. Could be be 1 point from 36. 

How anyone cannot be championing change at this point?

[DeeCee]

1 minute ago, JacknOry said:

1 point from 18 and a nightmare 6 games ciming up. Could be be 1 point from 36. 

How anyone cannot be championing change at this point?

We won't go down but will end up far lower down the league than we did last season. That's got to be the tipping point for the owners. Pity they can't see it now.

 

[Lucimo]

36 minutes ago, rigger said:

The next winnable game, is always, and always will be , the next game. No matter who it is against.

Thanks for highlighting that but you knew what I meant really. I regret not pointing out your obvious error earlier in the day now. Never mind though m, Dan clough did. One of the few people he won against today. 😉

[booth]

18 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

We won't go down but will end up far lower down the league than we did last season. That's got to be the tipping point for the owners. Pity they can't see it now.

 

It was for Bowyer.