Tony Mowbray Discussion

[gumboots]

No arguments from me.  I've watched Sale sharks beat Bristol and Exeter this season, and Lorient, in the relegation places, beat a full strength PSG.  Those are supposedly the matches players relish playing in and how good does it feel when you win or at least do well.  We may not be able to win them all - few teams win even most of their games but we should at least be competing.  It's the idea that we can't compete that irks me more than anything. 

[Ewood Ace]

 

So here is Tony's master plan to get promoted.

Good recruitment- That is certainly not something you could say he has shown us. 

Developing your own academy players- Well he is certainly keen to develop other clubs players but not so much our own as can be seen by the fact we have two teenager centre backs in on loan whilst two older ones from our academy are out own loan. Raya was an academy product and regular scapegoat and he has now been replaced in that role by another academy product in Nyambe.

Having and identity and structure to the way you play- No one who has watched us play the last 4 months or so could accuse us of having either. One week we are so called performance related and then we win playing poorly and suddenly it's all about the results.

Develop over a period of time- He has spent getting on for £20 Million and we are currently just 8 places higher than when he first came in. Developing at that rate it means he is going to need at least another 5 years and £20 Million just to get us into the play offs.

 

Rovers owners Venky's must have a plan for the future - Mowbray | Lancashire Telegraph

[den]

Mowbrays quotes above are from this new LT article.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19126978.rovers-owners-venkys-must-plan-future---mowbray/

Meaningless, baseless waffle.

Edited March 1, 2021 by den

[G Somerset Rover]

Very intrigued to know what happened to the ‘4 windows’ needed to get to the Premier League. Just the 8 or so windows later that Mowbray said that...

Edited March 1, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Ulrich]

19 hours ago, DE. said:

Generally speaking I don't think defence was a huge problem under GB. The GK position was a consistent weakness, but we had solid Championship-level defenders for the most part. The back four of Marshall/Duffy/Hanley/Spurr was good enough for the most part.

Bowyer's biggest blind-spot, by far, was central midfield. He was overly fond of cloggers who ran around a lot but produced little substance. The likes of Evans, Williamson, Spearing, etc didn't give us enough, and the undying loyalty to Jason Lowe needs no explanation. 

Unfortunately Bowyer wasn't tactically astute enough either, and he didn't know how to turn games in our favour regularly enough. Too many draws that a better manager could have turned into wins with some smart tactical alterations during the game. Mowbray is no better in that regard - although he's more erratic in terms of his team selections and attempts at formations. At the very least GB generally played our players in their correct positions, he just didn't have enough creative guile to switch things around when needed. He also had no idea how to implement pace into the side, leaving us as a slow and largely predictable side. 

I don't rate Bowyer's time here as successful, but I don't think he performed any worse than Mowbray, and considering his lack of experience at first team level I'd say in a direct comparison Bowyer performed better than Mowbray has by most useful metrics. 

Ultimately though we've never really had what I would class as a good manager under Venky's, so comparing Mowbray to any past managers seems pointless. None were good enough to make us better than the sum of our parts, and neither is Mowbray. Until we have a manager that can do this we'll remain where we are now, in a frustrated, never-ending limbo where brief periods of hope are quickly snuffed out by the bleak reality of being owned by people who simply don't understand what needs to be done to make a club successful.  

GB had the answer to CM in his ranks. He obsessively played him wide and yet since he moved and started playing CM? Premier league.

GB and TM are equals.

Equally not good enough.

[Ewood Ace]

He's certainly been trying desperately hard the last few weeks to drum up some Premiership interest in Armstrong.

Tony Mowbray responds to Adam Armstrong future amid West Ham links and discusses asset scenario - LancsLive

[DeeCee]

19 minutes ago, den said:

Mowbrays quotes above are from this new LT article.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19126978.rovers-owners-venkys-must-plan-future---mowbray/

Meaningless, baseless waffle.

Sickening.

[Feed the Yak]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

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That's some incentive for the players then... 

[JHRover]

I'm getting sick of listening to it now. Why can't we just be a club that acts with semblance of normality.

Instead we've a dodgy untrustworthy CEO with no intention nor ability to remove his mate as manager and Mowbray back to communicating with India via the local press.

Good to see that IF we LOSE the next two OR three then he MIGHT not be here.

Very reassuring.

Then again we might do the above and he might not be sacked. Or he might claw a few points out of it and survive. Meaningless babble.

All the excuses in the world coming out.

I don't believe Waggott's sudden re-emergence from hibernation over the last 6 months is a coincidence. I think he knows the natives are getting restless and he needs to be seen, and he's come out in support of his mate.

 

[JHRover]

17 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

He's certainly been trying desperately hard the last few weeks to drum up some Premiership interest in Armstrong.

Tony Mowbray responds to Adam Armstrong future amid West Ham links and discusses asset scenario - LancsLive

Said Months ago that a bumper sale of Armstrong is Mowbray's get out card. Big money bids coming in saves his skin with the owners and 'vindicates' his approach.

He's so brazen and blatant its embarrassing.

[Mattyblue]

6 minutes ago, JHRover said:

 

I don't believe Waggott's sudden re-emergence from hibernation over the last 6 months is a coincidence. I think he knows the natives are getting restless and he needs to be seen, and he's come out in support of his mate.

 

6? More like 12...

[Don Said]

So, another change of direction on the clubs targets from the mouth of the manager today.

When we first came back up he spoke about needing 2 or 3 windows to consolidate and then have us looking upwards. This summer he spoke as if promotion/top 6 was the target. Two weeks ago it was 'we are only 20 odd games in to our promotion journey. Today it's 'if the club wants to get out of the division it needs a plan'. 

He must take us for mugs. He is clearly trying to deflect attention away from his own failures and under achievements.

SIX (6) transfer windows since promotion in which he has been very well backed financially, and hasn't yet had to sell a Dack or an Armstrong. How long does he want? 20 years? 25? Good money was spread this summer on Kaminski, Ayala, Elliott, Douglas et al (plus the high wage Prem CB loans in january) as the final investments to push us over the line in to being a top 6 side. That is obvious shown by the types of signings made. 

Yet he is now talking as if that isn't the case, as if they are the types of signings just to keep us bobbing along. Give it up.

Another reminder that McCarthy and Ismael have had their sides flying up the table in a matter of weeks and months. Paunovic in his first season at Reading sat in the play off spots after they were relegation fodder last season. None of this journey crap, no crazy building philosophy - just sensibly getting things right on the pitch with the players they have infront of them.

Yet we are still listening to Mowbray waffle on about the journey, the journey we went on in summer, the journey that changed a few weeks ago, the journey that now seems to need another phase. Give me a break.

[DE.]

32 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

GB had the answer to CM in his ranks. He obsessively played him wide and yet since he moved and started playing CM? Premier league.

GB and TM are equals.

Equally not good enough.

Assume you mean Cairney. Would have needed to play AMC to really be effective and Bowyer's teams didn't have attacking central midfielders in them. Both CMs were generally defensive with our attacking play largely coming from wide areas - which is why he tried to shoehorn Cairney there, but it didn't really work.  

[Ozz]

58 minutes ago, den said:

Mowbrays quotes above are from this new LT article.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19126978.rovers-owners-venkys-must-plan-future---mowbray/

Meaningless, baseless waffle.

Exhibit A. 

 

 "At no stage this season have I looked over my shoulder, if we lose the next two or three, I might not be here to look over my shoulder, and if I am here, will I look over my shoulder?"

Absolute piffle. 

[Mike E]

9 minutes ago, Ozz said:

Exhibit A. 

 

 "At no stage this season have I looked over my shoulder, if we lose the next two or three, I might not be here to look over my shoulder, and if I am here, will I look over my shoulder?"

Absolute piffle. 

He didn't look at the fixture list before saying that, did he?

[broadsword]

17 minutes ago, Ozz said:

Exhibit A. 

 

 "At no stage this season have I looked over my shoulder, if we lose the next two or three, I might not be here to look over my shoulder, and if I am here, will I look over my shoulder?"

Absolute piffle. 

 

[RoverDom]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

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Completely off topic but your remaining battery life is giving me anxiety. 

[Mattyblue]

I don’t use the percentage remaining figure either, live on the edge, me.

[BG1492]

He really does himself no favours.

I’d have a lot more respect for him if he turned around and said “of course I’m looking over my shoulder, results haven’t been good enough and I know they need to improve fast”.

Or just walk away and my respect would be even higher.

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, den said:

Mowbrays quotes above are from this new LT article.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19126978.rovers-owners-venkys-must-plan-future---mowbray/

Meaningless, baseless waffle.

Now hes talking about getting to the premiership over a period of time.  I think he's had plenty time. Talking about saleable assets. Replacing them.  When has he ever replaced a saleable asset other than raya? And that was only because he hung raya out to dry. He talks with a forked tongue and its always stuck up Mrs d's ass

[den]

It’s so very obvious that Venkys basic plan hasn’t shifted since they turned up here. Their financial plan for rovers was that this club could only survive by producing young players, sell them at a profit, reinvest then move forwards. I do wonder where they want to move forwards to, because they sold an entire Premier League squad to invest in youth. Is it to move forwards to a league we dropped out of because of their own plan of relying on producing young players worth good money? 

It’s the wrong plan for us at this moment in time anyway IMO. The plan surely has to be to get a manager in who can get us back into the Premier League which ever way’s possible.  Number one plan has to be to get a manager who bases his reputation on results - whichever way that’s achieved. How it’s done shouldn’t matter in the least.

Mowbray has this alternative get out with the owners. If we can’t win games, he focuses on the squad value and dangles the “big sale” carrot in front of the owners. He knows that very well and it makes life so very, very easy for not just him, but for any manager here. That’s why they last so long.

Ive also got to say, that for owners and manager who focus entirely on youth development, building houses on half of a fantastic academy facility is a very strange way to proceed.

Between the lot of them - have any of them any idea at all what they’re trying to do? It doesn’t look like it to me.

[Ulrich]

54 minutes ago, DE. said:

Assume you mean Cairney. Would have needed to play AMC to really be effective and Bowyer's teams didn't have attacking central midfielders in them. Both CMs were generally defensive with our attacking play largely coming from wide areas - which is why he tried to shoehorn Cairney there, but it didn't really work.  

Yes Cairney, he could have played cm under GB if GB had lined them up differently. A sitter and Cairney could have worked and as you say we were all attack wide. Cairney needed bulking up (easy these days) and to track back more. Coach able, instead play wide, wrong side and completely alien role as wide is very different to central. Trouble is he had the wide players cutting inside all the time, with gestede up top. Tactics were not gbs strength. Cairney in the middle, 2 proper wide players and R&G would have scored even more.

[simongarnerisgod]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

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if we lose the next six,which looks highly likely then he should be toast

[tomphil]

Best we condition ourselves from now on just to shut our ears and get on with it. He's going nowhere unless Mrs D pays any attention beyond the balance sheet. There'll be no Coventry here he'll brazen it out if we don't win again all season.

Sell a few players - the line he's pitching now - then he can hide behind another rebuild job. Can't expect us to go anywhere if we sell our best players after all. 

Sacked from Celtic, Boro and Coventry in last 10 years but untouchable at Venky Rovers.

We need to just see out the season now and pray summer is kind to us. Then it'll be give him 10 games/christmas/the window rinse and repeat. Sooner or later if we don't kick on we'll implode again you just know it's coming. I said his fabled journey could well be one that sees a lot of the players under him sold. One wonders if those with their stamp on them get any benefit.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Assume you mean Cairney. Would have needed to play AMC to really be effective and Bowyer's teams didn't have attacking central midfielders in them. Both CMs were generally defensive with our attacking play largely coming from wide areas - which is why he tried to shoehorn Cairney there, but it didn't really work.  

I thought Carney could have been the new Berkovic but whenever we played him in centre midfield he was ineffectual.