Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Wheelton Blue]

Berkovic was a class act.

[JacknOry]

He has so much power thst he is now telling us and the owners when he can be sacked.

 

[booth]

2 hours ago, den said:

Mowbrays quotes above are from this new LT article.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19126978.rovers-owners-venkys-must-plan-future---mowbray/

Meaningless, baseless waffle.

He doesn’t take pressure very well does he?

[den]

3 minutes ago, booth said:

He doesn’t take pressure very well does he?

He’s heading for what he believes is the safer ground of “potential” squad value. 

In the article though, he doesn’t really say anything does he.

[DE.]

1 hour ago, Ulrich said:

Yes Cairney, he could have played cm under GB if GB had lined them up differently. A sitter and Cairney could have worked and as you say we were all attack wide. Cairney needed bulking up (easy these days) and to track back more. Coach able, instead play wide, wrong side and completely alien role as wide is very different to central. Trouble is he had the wide players cutting inside all the time, with gestede up top. Tactics were not gbs strength. Cairney in the middle, 2 proper wide players and R&G would have scored even more.

Bowyer's tactical inflexability simply wouldn't have allowed Cairney to play his natural game in CM. He could have been bulked up and coached to track back more often, but I don't think it would have meant much to us in the grand scheme of things to have Cairney in that role. I think he would have ended up stifled under GB no matter where he was played.

42 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I thought Carney could have been the new Berkovic but whenever we played him in centre midfield he was ineffectual.

Bowyer's tactics just didn't suit Cairney at all. In theory his tactics should have worked with the likes of King or Mo Barrow out wide, but we played at such a slow pace (I assume deliberately) under GB that pace seemed more of a detriment than a benefit. We saw glimpses of what could have been with King in the FA Cup, where we played him centrally a few times and he caused havoc against Premier League teams, but we never saw that same style deployed in the Championship. It was fairly obvious King in particular didn't have the motivation for the grind of the Championship under GB's usual tactics, and only seemed to be motivated to play when the cameras were on him against better opposition. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

“The dynamic of the squad has changed and when we took that opportunity to change we wanted it to make it more technical and dominate the ball more. If you look at the league now, all those teams are the teams with really high possession. There’s only really Cardiff who are hitting a real purple patch that are threatening that top six, the rest are all ball orientated. They all play with the ball, dominate the ball, have more shots, and their identity gives them more opportunity to win more games. That’s where we were trying to go.

“I feel as if it’s been scuppered, but as I’ve said along, it’s whether they want to carry on with the plan, or whether they want to throw that away and start everything again with a different idea.”  - Mowbray

Disingenuous waffle. Why would the club need to start everything again? Just get a better manager in who plays 'possession' football but can also organise a defence and win games. The clown thinks his approach is unique. 

[jim mk2]

2 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

“The dynamic of the squad has changed and when we took that opportunity to change we wanted it to make it more technical and dominate the ball more. If you look at the league now, all those teams are the teams with really high possession. There’s only really Cardiff who are hitting a real purple patch that are threatening that top six, the rest are all ball orientated. They all play with the ball, dominate the ball, have more shots, and their identity gives them more opportunity to win more games. That’s where we were trying to go.

“I feel as if it’s been scuppered, but as I’ve said along, it’s whether they want to carry on with the plan, or whether they want to throw that away and start everything again with a different idea.”  - Mowbray

 

What a load of rubbish, and proof that he over-complicates and overthinks the game. 

If he's talking that sort of stuff in the dressing room it's no wonder the players wander around dazed and confused - how are they supposed to decipher that? 

Football's pretty simple - play your best players in the right positions and let them get on with it.

[Richard Oakley]

8 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

What a load of rubbish, and proof that he over-complicates and overthinks the game. 

If he's talking that sort of stuff in the dressing room it's no wonder the players wander around dazed and confused - how are they supposed to decipher that? 

Football's pretty simple - play your best players in the right positions and let them get on with it.

Of course, it's waffle. It's typical Mowbray. Only Cardiff having a purple patch?

What about Barnsley? Has Mowbray forgotten them? No slow build for them. None for Warnock at Middlesborough, either and I don't believe the Middlesborough squad is a good as ours or the Barnsley one, either. I wonder how Mowbray would explain that.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

6 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

What a load of rubbish, and proof that he over-complicates and overthinks the game. 

If he's talking that sort of stuff in the dressing room it's no wonder the players wander around dazed and confused - how are they supposed to decipher that? 

Football's pretty simple - play your best players in the right positions and let them get on with it.

Yep, utter nonsense. On the EFL highlights show on Quest they mentioned that Cardiff made less than 100 passes against Boro, which apparently is ridiculously low. Yet they've won 6 and drawn 1 of their last 7, and will possibly make the PO's. Compare and contrast the tactical genius we've got who can't buy a win or set up a functioning team.

Sadly, people buy into all his shit. 

[G Somerset Rover]

He wants a plan from the owners? If I were them I’d be asking him what the hell his plan for promotion is given the investment over the past few years, in addition to him not having to sell a single player he didn’t want to. He absolutely does my fecking head in. Can’t stand the sight of him and his constant bull sh*t. It’s going to turn very sour soon for the bloke and it’s all his own doing.

Edited March 1, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[JHRover]

He wants a plan from the owners? I thought Mowbray was the one with the plans and the owners had bought into it and backed him on it? Or did the last 3 years not really happen?

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

 

Just now, JHRover said:

Or did the last 3 years not really happen?

It's like when Bobby Ewing was killed at the end of Series 8 of Dallas .... but wasn't really because it only occurred in his wife Pam's dream, which lasted for a whole of series 9 ... and only ended when she woke up to the sound of Bobby having a shower. 

And we're only in series 4. 

Imagine how mental it'll all be by series 9. 

[Lucimo]

27 minutes ago, JHRover said:

He wants a plan from the owners? I thought Mowbray was the one with the plans and the owners had bought into it and backed him on it? Or did the last 3 years not really happen?

No they didn't, he reset the clock. I know people say he can't reach Kean levels, but feck me he's giving it his best shot. If he put as much effort into sorting his team out as he is trying to piss off the fan base, we may actually be up where we want to be. 

[47er]

if we keep Nyambe the defence next season could be 

Nyambe       Carter       Macgloire   and that new Guy from Crewe (whose name I've forgotten)

With Kaminsky behind them, there is something solid to build on.

Given that Travis would start in the middle, hopefully alongside Davenport, there's a really good young side merging there----hopefully skilled and hungry. We'll have to replace Armstrong of course------McBride?

There's also Rankin-Costello/Pike if Nyambe goes. And Dolan  to throw in.

I could be proud of a line-up like that but not with Mowbray coaching the life out of them.

[SuperBrfc]

45 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

 

“I feel as if it’s been scuppered, but as I’ve said along, it’s whether they want to carry on with the plan, or whether they want to throw that away and start everything again with a different idea.”  - Mowbray

 

I may be wrong, but that sounds like he is saying it is up to the owners whether they want to keep him as manager or not. 

"Do you want to carry on with the plan" (with me still in charge)

"Or, do you want to throw that away and start everything again with a different idea" (under a new manager).

The latter, Balaji, the latter! It's for the greater good of our football club. Half of the fan base is in denial, 'terrified' due to our relegation to L1, fooling themselves that this is somehow acceptable or alright for Blackburn Rovers. We need a change to reinvigorate the club and to hopefully remind the "we could be Bolton" crew of the actual standards of this club, which thankfully, many on here have not forgotten.

 

[Ulrich]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Bowyer's tactical inflexability simply wouldn't have allowed Cairney to play his natural game in CM. He could have been bulked up and coached to track back more often, but I don't think it would have meant much to us in the grand scheme of things to have Cairney in that role. I think he would have ended up stifled under GB no matter where he was played.

Bowyer's tactics just didn't suit Cairney at all. In theory his tactics should have worked with the likes of King or Mo Barrow out wide, but we played at such a slow pace (I assume deliberately) under GB that pace seemed more of a detriment than a benefit. We saw glimpses of what could have been with King in the FA Cup, where we played him centrally a few times and he caused havoc against Premier League teams, but we never saw that same style deployed in the Championship. It was fairly obvious King in particular didn't have the motivation for the grind of the Championship under GB's usual tactics, and only seemed to be motivated to play when the cameras were on him against better opposition. 

I'd always thought that carney could've been a lesser tugay for us. We agree on GB tactically, I think his biggest mistake was to purely bring his youth staff and felt adding in one or two staff members experienced and better skills in aspect they lacked as a group.  A good leader knows where the group lacks skill, knowledge and experience wise and brings in people to fill those gaps. Trouble is football people tend to think they are awesome at everything and lack self perception. TM is a cracker for this.

[Theaxe15]

27 minutes ago, 47er said:

if we keep Nyambe the defence next season could be 

Nyambe       Carter       Macgloire   and that new Guy from Crewe (whose name I've forgotten)

With Kaminsky behind them, there is something solid to build on.

Given that Travis would start in the middle, hopefully alongside Davenport, there's a really good young side merging there----hopefully skilled and hungry. We'll have to replace Armstrong of course------McBride?

There's also Rankin-Costello/Pike if Nyambe goes. And Dolan  to throw in.

I could be proud of a line-up like that but not with Mowbray coaching the life out of them.

Basically an u23s team with a couple of older players sprinkled in. They'd get mauled.

[PeteJD13]

21 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

I may be wrong, but that sounds like he is saying it is up to the owners whether they want to keep him as manager or not. 

"Do you want to carry on with the plan" (with me still in charge)

"Or, do you want to throw that away and start everything again with a different idea" (under a new manager).

The latter, Balaji, the latter! It's for the greater good of our football club. Half of the fan base is in denial, 'terrified' due to our relegation to L1, fooling themselves that this is somehow acceptable or alright for Blackburn Rovers. We need a change to reinvigorate the club and to hopefully remind the "we could be Bolton" crew of the actual standards of this club, which thankfully, many on here have not forgotten.

 

I read it the same way, its also soundbites limit the damage to his managerial record if he leaves the job. He can blame venkys for not following the journey when he foes for his next job. I still find it amazing the complete lack of ambition and acceptance of mediocrity with some of our fans. The same ones that now rewrite venkys history sacking Sam because the fans demanded it, nothing to do with JA, SK or anything else. Always the fans fault with our apparent toxic fanbase !

[Ulrich]

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

“The dynamic of the squad has changed and when we took that opportunity to change we wanted it to make it more technical and dominate the ball more. If you look at the league now, all those teams are the teams with really high possession. There’s only really Cardiff who are hitting a real purple patch that are threatening that top six, the rest are all ball orientated. They all play with the ball, dominate the ball, have more shots, and their identity gives them more opportunity to win more games. That’s where we were trying to go.

“I feel as if it’s been scuppered, but as I’ve said along, it’s whether they want to carry on with the plan, or whether they want to throw that away and start everything again with a different idea.”  - Mowbray

Disingenuous waffle. Why would the club need to start everything again? Just get a better manager in who plays 'possession' football but can also organise a defence and win games. The clown thinks his approach is unique. 

You heard it first people TM says possession wins football matches and only he can coach it (don't you delegate training?).

I on the other hand favour goals and have heard of pep and barca.

Please waggers ban TM from talking, the world has enough bollocks to deal with 🌍

[roversfan99]

32 minutes ago, 47er said:

if we keep Nyambe the defence next season could be 

Nyambe       Carter       Macgloire   and that new Guy from Crewe (whose name I've forgotten)

With Kaminsky behind them, there is something solid to build on.

Given that Travis would start in the middle, hopefully alongside Davenport, there's a really good young side merging there----hopefully skilled and hungry. We'll have to replace Armstrong of course------McBride?

There's also Rankin-Costello/Pike if Nyambe goes. And Dolan  to throw in.

I could be proud of a line-up like that but not with Mowbray coaching the life out of them.

Carter and Magloire are not ready to become a Championship partnership anytime soon. Both looked nowhere near during their very limited games, it sounds like they have done well in other leagues on loan and regular game time will do them good but we need a more ready made central defender alongside Lenihan. Maybe there is scope for one of them to be 4th/5th choice but they are very early into their apprenticeships elsewhere.

[yoda's brother]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Carter and Magloire are not ready to become a Championship partnership anytime soon. Both looked nowhere near during their very limited games, it sounds like they have done well in other leagues on loan and regular game time will do them good but we need a more ready made central defender alongside Lenihan. Maybe there is scope for one of them to be 4th/5th choice but they are very early into their apprenticeships elsewhere.

scott wharton ?

[simongarnerisgod]

play to your strengths and let the opposition worry about us,not the other way round,you`ve got 5 or 6 lads with the speed of a greyhound,utilise it and get away from trying to pass other sides off the park,it`s not working,has never worked and just leads to us losing the ball and getting pressurised in defence,**** me if i can see whats going on surely you can tony

[47er]

8 minutes ago, yoda's brother said:

scott wharton ?

Sorry, I forgot him. Clearly he would start before Carter. For those who say we'd get mauled, we're already getting mauled--1 point out of 18! 

Players with some long affiliation with the club might bring some heart into the squad.

Really, I'm only pointing out that the sole bright spot in this sad saga is the calibre of the young players we are turning out.

Great decision to slash the Academy!

When they have come in, generally they have impressed.

If we started next season with Lenihan, Wharton, Magloire and Carter as the four centre-backs, with Ayala able to appear every now and then, would we be better or worse than at the start of this season? Branthwaite isn't ready but he's playing every game.

Edited March 1, 2021 by 47er

[simongarnerisgod]

has anyone noticed that venus and mowbray don`t actually communicate with each other during games,when tony takes his nap in the stand at some games it`s venus giving orders but when tony is on the touchline it`s venus asleep in his seat,lowe and the clipboard wielding benson just seem to be there to make the tea at half time,i wonder if they really don`t like each other,it`s well known they have completely contrasting views on how the game should be played,it`s a strange way to run a team

[Theaxe15]

22 minutes ago, 47er said:

Sorry, I forgot him. Clearly he would start before Carter. For those who say we'd get mauled, we're already getting mauled--1 point out of 18! 

Players with some long affiliation with the club might bring some heart into the squad.

Really, I'm only pointing out that the sole bright spot in this sad saga is the calibre of the young players we are turning out.

Great decision to slash the Academy!

When they have come in, generally they have impressed.

If we started next season with Lenihan, Wharton, Magloire and Carter as the four centre-backs, with Ayala able to appear every now and then, would we be better or worse than at the start of this season? Branthwaite isn't ready but he's playing every game.

We're not getting mauled at the moment, we're just shite.

But half of our problem at the moment is it's a relatively young squad and has little know how, whether that's from the manager or their own experiences of how to tackle games. It's partly why we keep losing by the odd goal. 

I appreciate the notion about the young players, Wharton surprised me with how he played (after a dodgy substitute appearance against Watford), but Carter looked well out of his depth at the end of last season. JRC jury still out, Dolan burst onto the scene but largely ineffective since his goal against Preston, though would have liked to have seen him get a start again at some point. Magloire had one good friendly appearance.

We need a core of better experienced players than we have to help the young ones on, that's the big thing that needs to change in the summer (asides from the manager at the very latest)