Tony Mowbray Discussion

[47er]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you think we could genuinely challenge for promotion with Carter and Magloire involved regularly? The latter spent half of this season in non league. It would be another failed chance to fix the defence.

2 hours ago, 47er said:

You may be right, you may be wrong. My fear is that with Mowbray we may never know.

[JHRover]

Mowbray is good at it I'll give him that.

He's out of excuses. He can't use the 'time' excuse because he's had longer than anyone else in the division and we're further away than ever. Rivals appointed within the last 12 months - McCarthy, Warnock, Paunovic, Ismael, Hughton, even rookie Rooney - are putting him to shame.

He can't use the funding excuse because through time, backing and lack of sales he's had a bigger net spend than anyone else in the division. 

He can't even claim we are a good young side having bad luck. We're performing abysmally and have been since November.

So how does he turn it around? He turns it on the owners - suggesting that the club needs 'a plan' and inferring he's one to deliver it. The suggestion being that if they axe him then we go back to the chaos of the past.

He publicly advertises one of the few bright sparks of the season- Adam Armstrong- knowing full well his goals this season and contract situation will see him on lists this summer.

The Derrick Williams situation is a typically Venky-esque saga. We wanted to 'cash in' last summer and the manager was publicly trying to drum up interest. It didn't happen and he's made all of a handful of appearances when we were down to the bare bones. Then he gets a muscle injury that keeps him out for the rest of the season and I hear he's signed a deal to move to the US  in the summer. They're having us on. Again.

 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, 47er said:

Agree with that. Just keeping our own out.

 

4 minutes ago, 47er said:

You may be right, you may be wrong. My fear is that with Mowbray we may never know.

My point is more that if you was to ask who is best suited to forming a solid Championship central defence, Harwood Bellis and Branthwaite or Magloire and Carter, I would say neither. 

I did think that, and yet again under Mowbray, we DID need defensive reinforcements in this most recent transfer window. You could maybe argue the merits of keeping Carter and Magloire over signing the 2 that we did but even then, I think it was correct for them to be loaned out to lesser leagues and get regular football elsewhere, as Wharton did.

My problem is not that we signed the 2 that we did over keeping the 2 kids we had, neither of those options would have not been sufficient.  It is that again we failed to sign a ready made option. I mentioned going back in for Kipre but he was made out to be a greedy, selfish traitor. I also thought that Brentford did well getting Winston Reid on loan. Going into next season, I would not be content going into the season with only Lenihan, with Ayala constantly crocked, Wharton set to miss part of the season and then Magloire and Carter even assumed that the rest of their 6 month loan is successful. I feel we need at least one who will be able to play regularly.

[windymiller7]

12 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

“I think the philosophy is what gets you there. If you’re an attack minded team, if you score goals, I understand the philosophy of keeping clean sheets and adhere to that as well, but I would prefer to defend by attacking and that’s how I’ve always done it and managed to get a team out of this league, winning this league, by scoring over 100 goals.

“You can do it and that’s the way to do it in my opinion.”

There we have it, his issues in a nutshell. Deluded. 

😱

[rigger]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

He's been paid by Rovers since last year but to all practical intents hasn't been our player since we tried selling him off and it didn't happen.

I've heard that he's off abroad in the summer and the deal is already in place. No way his next employers are going to allow him to get injured playing for us before then.

As long as the Rovers paying him, but not allowed to play him, is reflected in the transfer fee, then that's OK.

[JHRover]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

As long as the Rovers paying him, but not allowed to play him, is reflected in the transfer fee, then that's OK.

There won't be a transfer fee as he's out of contract (I think). 

A very suspicious situation and one which Mowbray should be interrogated on.

What's the betting Del makes a full recovery from this long term injury and plays whenever selected at his next club?

[Mattyblue]

The ‘just smash in a load of goals’ approach to promotion. 

How long this fella been a manager again?
 

 

[Theaxe15]

39 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Equal on points with Forrest now. How does Mowbray explain all these clubs with new managers doing well, even clubs who spent considerably less, whilst we are where we are? He has had time, money and no pressure to sell. 

The LT reporters need to grow a backbone and come at him hard. Even if it means restricted access, let that be the story then. The clubs future is at stake, as is my mental health!  

Oh we've struggled because of injuries and covid, have you not heard we're the only club in the Championship with those issues. We'd be top six otherwise, the manager is sure of it.

[HowieFive0]

 

[arbitro]

4 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

 

This deal was done two weeks ago but Rovers said it wasn't to be announced straight away. My suspicion is that we tore his contract up and as a free agent he could sign for LA and join them for pre season.

It's a strange way of doing business but then not much should surprise us any more.

[booth]

10 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

 

Hang on didn't he quote Williams as one of the injured players affecting the team not long ago or did I imagine it?

[Tom]

5 minutes ago, arbitro said:

This deal was done two weeks ago but Rovers said it wasn't to be announced straight away. My suspicion is that we tore his contract up and as a free agent he could sign for LA and join them for pre season.

It's a strange way of doing business but then not much should surprise us any more.

Yep I recall you saying in the last match thread that he’s gone but kept quiet 

[cesus]

As long as we didn't pay him any money to go early I'm happy as he wasn't fit anywhere near enough. More room in the Vince Grella suite at Brockhall for Ayala now.

[DE.]

52 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

“I think the philosophy is what gets you there. If you’re an attack minded team, if you score goals, I understand the philosophy of keeping clean sheets and adhere to that as well, but I would prefer to defend by attacking and that’s how I’ve always done it and managed to get a team out of this league, winning this league, by scoring over 100 goals.

“You can do it and that’s the way to do it in my opinion.”

There we have it, his issues in a nutshell. Deluded. 

Managed to get a team out of this league well over a decade ago - the fact he's still dining on success from so long ago says everything.

Since then "how I've always done it" has yielded little success and got him sacked from Celtic (as one of their worst ever managers), Boro and effectively forced him to resign from Coventry. "How I've always done it" also failed to save us from relegation in 2017, and although it got us back up from League 1 with a much better squad and budget than the rest of the division, it's never gotten us close to serious playoff contention let alone promotion from this league. 

His refusal to accept and address his shortcomings is exactly why he needs to go. 

[Waggy76]

5 minutes ago, booth said:

Hang on didn't he quote Williams as one of the injured players affecting the team not long ago or did I imagine it?

Shades of Kean , wirh Ryan Nelsen

[G Somerset Rover]

11 minutes ago, arbitro said:

This deal was done two weeks ago but Rovers said it wasn't to be announced straight away. My suspicion is that we tore his contract up and as a free agent he could sign for LA and join them for pre season.

It's a strange way of doing business but then not much should surprise us any more.

Sharpe has pretty much said we're allowing him to leave his contract early, so you're bang on!

TM will be lamenting his loss early next season as to why we're still conceding.

[47er]

49 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

My point is more that if you was to ask who is best suited to forming a solid Championship central defence, Harwood Bellis and Branthwaite or Magloire and Carter, I would say neither. 

 

I never suggested Magloire or Carter should be first picked. The discussion was about the squad.

[Mattyblue]

19 minutes ago, booth said:

Hang on didn't he quote Williams as one of the injured players affecting the team not long ago or did I imagine it?

Come on now, the lad’s leg’s been in traction!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

15 minutes ago, cesus said:

As long as we didn't pay him any money to go early I'm happy as he wasn't fit anywhere near enough. More room in the Vince Grella suite at Brockhall for Ayala now.

We need all the room we can get - we've had a team's worth of players in there recently.

Bennett, Ayala, Wharton, Williams

Holtby, Davenport, Johnson, JRC

Butterworth, Gallagher, 

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm starting to wonder if Ayala is getting the Salgado/Nelsen treatment ? Too expensive to play now were out of the promotion race.

I think he was a panic signing to be honest, not played since last Jan. Turns us down for big money elsewhere, that breaks down and he ends up here, defenders are coming and all that.  Looked fragile when he has played.

Probably getting himself fit to go elsewhere in summer. This place is still a vehicle for agents and players imo. That will never ever change under this ownership.

[Leonard Venkhater]

19 minutes ago, cesus said:

As long as we didn't pay him any money to go early I'm happy as he wasn't fit anywhere near enough. More room in the Vince Grella suite at Brockhall for Ayala now.

Yep..There are just too many injury prone players in the squad....

St Helens Glass jingle

[Ewood Ace]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

“I think the philosophy is what gets you there. If you’re an attack minded team, if you score goals, I understand the philosophy of keeping clean sheets and adhere to that as well, but I would prefer to defend by attacking and that’s how I’ve always done it and managed to get a team out of this league, winning this league, by scoring over 100 goals.

“You can do it and that’s the way to do it in my opinion.”

There we have it, his issues in a nutshell. Deluded. 

Not sure where he get's the idea from that they scored over 100 goals.

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

“I think the philosophy is what gets you there. If you’re an attack minded team, if you score goals, I understand the philosophy of keeping clean sheets and adhere to that as well, but I would prefer to defend by attacking and that’s how I’ve always done it and managed to get a team out of this league, winning this league, by scoring over 100 goals.

“You can do it and that’s the way to do it in my opinion.”

There we have it, his issues in a nutshell. Deluded. 

He keeps saying this but he's coaching his team to go sideways and backwards at the pace of a turtle.

There is no attacking football or defending by pressing it's just going through the motions. Easy street football, i'm really wondering now if he is deluded or just an outright bullshitter who knows he can get away with it.

[JHRover]

2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Not sure where he get's the idea from that they scored over 100 goals.

Also losing 11 games, winning the league with 81 points and conceding more than the teams below all point to them not exactly being a class apart that season.

As with us in 2017-18 he had the fortune to inherit a very decent side stronger than most rivals, had a few quid to add a few and the quality to beat teams regularly. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, Theaxe15 said:

Oh we've struggled because of injuries and covid, have you not heard we're the only club in the Championship with those issues. We'd be top six otherwise, the manager is sure of it.

Exactly! It's crazy that he gets away with spouting this