Tony Mowbray Discussion

[martonrover]

19 minutes ago, Meesh said:

Step forward Damien Johnson...?

Maybe, but I hope not.

[Mercer]

7 hours ago, oozy said:

 

Rather unrelated, but just came across this photo of Mowbray from 1980.

Not quite sure what he's doing there, but does anyone ever?

On a serious note, surely a 'mutual' parting of the ways is the way forward.

If he is genuinely concerned about the way forward and the steps he has supposedly put in place, I might not even mind him moving upstairs and a coach being brought in who has a greater tactical awareness and can motivate the players.

Move him upstairs?

Just wtf can this man offer our club?

IMO, only move for Mowbray should be as far away from Ewood as possible followed by Venus, Lowe (think those Sky pictures of our coach at Reading were frightening - IMO, a lifeless and vacuous individual), Benson and Waggott.

[davulsukur]

None of the current set up need moving to another role within the club.

Mowbray, Venus, Lowe, Benson, Waggott all need replacing with better, so the club can actually move forwards for a change.

[ben_the_beast]

17 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

The only thing I can think of that’s worse than Mowbray being the manager is Mowbray being a director, put that shite idea right in the bin.

The main reason I've mentioned it and I think is on the radar of a few others is because reading between the lines in his interviews, it feels as though that it what he is hinting towards. 

I'm not comfortable with the idea. I like how @tomphil put it that he has Tony Blair god complex. He believes in what he is trying to do and his journey. The rest of us can see it's madness. Given the power of a director role I do believe that he would only install someone willing to continue his exact same philosophy. A puppet.

At the same time though. If Venkys had a plan he'd be gone already. We are vulnerable. And I do not know what the best solution could be. 

[Mercer]

6 hours ago, davulsukur said:

UK time i'm guessing?

We are in the sacking zone now then.

I still think negotiations are ongoing for Mowbray and Venus to leave. 

To pay them off in full will be £1million+ and you can imagine 'Madam' being a tad p1ssed off! 

Edited March 3, 2021 by Mercer

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I still think negotiations are on going for Mowbray and Venus to leave. 

To pay them off in full will be £1million+ and you can imagine 'Madam' being a tad p1ssed off! 

Has the Alex Neil trail gone cold?

[PeteJD13]

12 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I still think negotiations are on going for Mowbray and Venus to leave. 

To pay them off in full will be £1million+ and you can imagine 'Madam' being a tad p1ssed off! 

I bet they’ve not even had that conversation 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

4 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I still think negotiations are on going for Mowbray and Venus to leave. 

Cone on now, we all know that isn't happening. I'm sure everyone connected with the Venky's/Boardroom is uncomfortable at the moment, not because of the results, but because they don't want to have to make a decision to sack our Tony, who they clearly like, and whom some are friends with.

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

To pay them off in full will be £1million+ and you can imagine 'Madam' being a tad p1ssed off! 

Another reason it's not happening.

As soon as he wins a game the pressure valve is re-set and on we go. ATM it's just about getting Honest Tony to the summer unscathed so he can fill the heads of the gullible with more promotion talk.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong and he's potted tomorrow. 

[windymiller7]

29 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Move him upstairs?

Just wtf can this man offer our club?

IMO, only move for Mowbray should be as far away from Ewood as possible followed by Venus, Lowe (think those Sky pictures of our coach at Reading were frightening - IMO, a lifeless and vacuous individual), Benson and Waggott.

I didn't realise it was Lowe at first, but I actually said to my daughter "who's that guy there? He looks like he's won a competition to sit in the dugout for a game"

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, ben_the_beast said:

Mowbrays recent comments about the owners needing a plan and if he isn't on the journey, not letting them throw it all away are odd. Does he have an eye on an upstairs, director of football type role...

If he did. My view is he wouldn't allow a manager to manage. I think he'd be sticking his oar in. He does love to talk football. He's a stubborn man as well. Too principled at times. I think he'd cause conflict. 

But.. at the same time. We feel a bit fucked. Venkys don't have a plan. As soon as Mowbray is gone the vultures will be circling to mug us off once again. Because the owners still don't have a clue what they are doing. The perfect situation of a proper set up is never going to happen. Having a person with football experience in place at director level in Mowbray, even though I'm sure it would come with conflicts and challenges could be the next best scenario.

I'm not a fan of this as I'm typing it. But. Like I said. In my opinion we really are a bit fucked.

That must absolutely NOT I repeat NOT be allowed to happen.

I'm not sure what this obsession with Mowbray is, it's not as if he's a King Kenny who would be a major asset and add to the stature of the Club going forward if used properly.

He's a bloke with (at the very best) an extremely ordinary managerial career. We rescued him off the managerial scrapheap and whilst he did well for a season and a half to two seasons he has been imo an abject failure at Championship level despite having millions and millions of pounds of financial support chucked at him.

He and Venus don't seem to have any concept of what Championship players are worth these days either in terms of their salary demands.

Having him as a DOF would be an absolute disaster. The manager wouldn't be able to manage and Mowbray would always looking to protect the players already here over bringing in new players to try and improve the starting eleven.

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I still think negotiations are on going for Mowbray and Venus to leave. 

To pay them off in full will be £1million+ and you can imagine 'Madam' being a tad p1ssed off! 

Should be 100% now, a draw and loss after it was 80% sure?

[simongarnerisgod]

moggasaurous has reached end of the journey,4 years is enough to start moving a club forward and we are not going forward,he`s also instilled an ethos of mediocrity throughout the playing and coaching staff imo,it might be another month but i think the end is nigh for him

[den9112]

Hibernian (caretaker)  Mark Venus                         Middlesbrough (caretaker) Mark Venus                         Coventry City (caretaker) Mark Venus

Blackburn Rovers current manager Tony Mowbray next caretaker manager  --------

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, den9112 said:

Hibernian (caretaker)  Mark Venus                         Middlesbrough (caretaker) Mark Venus                         Coventry City (caretaker) Mark Venus

Blackburn Rovers current manager Tony Mowbray next caretaker manager  --------

JFHC

That might have been what Mowbray was alluding to when he said keep the footballing ethos of the Club the same if he goes. Hoping to keep Venus in a job.

Mowbray or Venus, we'd better hope neither Rotherham or Sheffield Wed put a run together.

[PeteJD13]

The thing is for me apart from Mowbray talking about his job their is nothing leaking about the pressure he is under, he played the media game on sky last night then on our inhouse it was completely different. I do not think he is going anywhere we will start next season with him

[Bigdoggsteel]

The presenter on sky made excuses for him. She said something along the lines of "what else could he have done with all the injuries etc". They were all being a bit protective. I would like to hear, say, Roy Keanes take on our current form and what the implications of that would be for a manager. The two lads last night were ok though, more critical than we have seen previously. It's unavoidable really.We are surely bottom of the form table of every team in the UK? Europe? 

[1864roverite]

If he was going it would have been done by now!

It really is a piss poor run club at this moment!

Mowbray out!

[Stuart]

26 minutes ago, den9112 said:

Hibernian (caretaker)  Mark Venus                         Middlesbrough (caretaker) Mark Venus                         Coventry City (caretaker) Mark Venus

Blackburn Rovers current manager Tony Mowbray next caretaker manager  --------

P22: W9 D4 L9

Only person I’d keep is Johnson.

[rigger]

15 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

The thing is for me apart from Mowbray talking about his job their is nothing leaking about the pressure he is under, he played the media game on sky last night then on our inhouse it was completely different. I do not think he is going anywhere we will start next season with him

I will be starting next season with either a new first team manager, or watching  the U23s.

Edited March 3, 2021 by rigger

[PeteJD13]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

I will be starting next season with either a new first team manager, or whoever the U23s manager is. 

the way i see it Waggott will do the job of helping his mate rather than doing what is best for the club, the club is still a shambles

[slowmo]

1 hour ago, ben_the_beast said:

Mowbrays recent comments about the owners needing a plan and if he isn't on the journey, not letting them throw it all away are odd. Does he have an eye on an upstairs, director of football type role...

If he did. My view is he wouldn't allow a manager to manage. I think he'd be sticking his oar in. He does love to talk football. He's a stubborn man as well. Too principled at times. I think he'd cause conflict. 

But.. at the same time. We feel a bit fucked. Venkys don't have a plan. As soon as Mowbray is gone the vultures will be circling to mug us off once again. Because the owners still don't have a clue what they are doing. The perfect situation of a proper set up is never going to happen. Having a person with football experience in place at director level in Mowbray, even though I'm sure it would come with conflicts and challenges could be the next best scenario.

I'm not a fan of this as I'm typing it. But. Like I said. In my opinion we really are a bit fucked.

I can see this as an option , I agree with the work behind the scenes to impove (scouting , analysis, etc ) and a focus on youth. 

There needs to be a long term club plan and identity , I would hate to return to a revolving door of managers/staff and no plan .

Having a D of F or similar I feel is needed, as we are lacking in the club management roles and the owners don't have a clue. So we need some other than waggott .

I want TM to leave as manager , but wouldn't want an old journey man . DJ perhaps for the rest of the season.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, Stuart said:

P22: W9 D4 L9

Only person I’d keep is Johnson.

Feel a bit sorry for Johnson.

Should have been given a chance to prove his worth early enough in each of the last 3 seasons. Now I fear it's too late, we're on the cusp of a relegation fight and if things get any worse it would probably be a bit too much of a risk to chuck him in for his first experience of management in those circumstances.

His prospects could well have gone here, tarnished by association with Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson.

 

[Stuart]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Feel a bit sorry for Johnson.

Should have been given a chance to prove his worth early enough in each of the last 3 seasons. Now I fear it's too late, we're on the cusp of a relegation fight and if things get any worse it would probably be a bit too much of a risk to chuck him in for his first experience of management in those circumstances.

His prospects could well have gone here, tarnished by association with Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson.

You could very well be right. I still believe he was ‘promoted’ to avoid further embarrassing Mowbray.

His U23s were playing a better and more successful brand of football than the first team at the time.

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Feel a bit sorry for Johnson.

Should have been given a chance to prove his worth early enough in each of the last 3 seasons. Now I fear it's too late, we're on the cusp of a relegation fight and if things get any worse it would probably be a bit too much of a risk to chuck him in for his first experience of management in those circumstances.

His prospects could well have gone here, tarnished by association with Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson.

 

i think dj keeps well clear of the mowbray mob,tony and his hareem probably see him as a threat to their cosy little unit

[USABlue]

26 minutes ago, slowmo said:

I want TM to leave as manager , but wouldn't want an old journey man . DJ perhaps for the rest of the season.

I really think DJ could get a tune out of this group I really do.