Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Have we not suffered enough?

Ah no,I suppose if we got safe, it's kind of now or never isn't it 

I'm afraid it is. There are £12 million reasons why we need to, and the treatment table and a look to next season only adds weight to the argument it should be tried.

And we are pretty safe so it's certainly worth a run for a number of games. It's a 4 game running swing which I cant see happening (on the other teams part not ours, we can go that long without wins.) Like you say though - wouldn't want to try it when it actually mattered, it's far too risky. 

[AllRoverAsia]

Brereton and Gallagher as a front 2?

I live in a bungalow so the PC monitor doesn't have far to fall when it will get chucked out, might still be usable.

The reason both BB and SG play mostly wide is because even Mowbray knows that both could not do it consistently as a central striker. They both lack the basics needed like ball control and holding the ball up and just heading the damn ball. And that elusive 'bottle' to put yourself where it will hurt.

Could Rhodes play wide like Brereton? Thankfully we had managers then who were not pig-shit thick enough to try it.

Edited March 16, 2021 by AllRoverAsia

[Bigdoggsteel]

There aren't too many CB partnerships I could see those two get the better of. 2 "big men" whose weakest attribute is strength. Only at Rovers. 

[simongarnerisgod]

11 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Brereton and Gallagher as a front 2?

I live in a bungalow so the PC monitor doesn't have far to fall when it will get chucked out, might still be usable.

The reason both BB and SG play mostly wide is because even Mowbray knows that both could not do it consistently as a central striker. They both lack the basics needed like ball control and holding the ball up and just heading the damn ball. And that elusive 'bottle' to put yourself where it will hurt.

Could Rhodes play wide like Brereton? Thankfully we had managers then who were not pig-shit thick enough to try it.

there is hope for gallagher,if coyle could get him going then im`e sure any decent manager would be able to do the same,brereton i think is a lost cause,there are so many holes in his game id`e just cut my losses and move on,whoever scouted him should be banished from the game imo

[Bigdoggsteel]

32 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

there is hope for gallagher,if coyle could get him going then im`e sure any decent manager would be able to do the same,brereton i think is a lost cause,there are so many holes in his game id`e just cut my losses and move on,whoever scouted him should be banished from the game imo

We all just want him to do well so I think we cling to any positives. He has a long way to go though. Not what we needed or when we needed it. Stupid signing in reality. 

[tomphil]

Neither were what we needed at the time and the fact they are still scrabbling around loaning defenders backs that up 100%.  Throw in we still only have one reliable goal scorer as well shows how misguided it was. 

There's no hindsight to it either most said at the time 'what about defense' and it still remains unanswered properly. Rather ironic there's rumours he's under scrutiny for giving Ayala 3 years after being advised not when he's got away with the forward flops for so long.

I still don't think BB was a Mowbray signing but Gallagher most definitely looks like he is.

[Roverthechimp]

The thing that fascinates me the most is BB's total inability to shoot. Even bog awful midielders/defenders can manage to hit a ball properly once in a while but, with the risk of being the old chauvinist that i suspect i am, he shoots like a girl 😳

[DeeCee]

Wonder if Tony's ever thought of playing Gally as a number 9?

[Southside Rover]

Brereton has ability, he shows it in glimpses and was a really good player for England at youth level before we signed him. Some time has passed and we've not seen it consistently but in the same way we talk about Nyambe and Travis there is a common denominator in all of this hence the title of the thread.

As mentioned a few posts above, Coyle got a tune from Gallagher, through the middle. Everyone knows strikers live off confidence, how as a striker do you feel when the Manager picks you to play on the wing. Gallagher is not a winger and never will be and his confidence as a striker must be shot. He proved he can score goals during the loan season and he was younger and less experienced. 

Both have a long way to go to be top championship players but with time and the right approach...

In my opinion both can do a job if given a consistent run in the right position and the right system but to get that confidence they need a fresh face at the top that gives that clean slate.

Of course we will never know unless something changes at the top.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

3 hours ago, DeeCee said:

Wonder if Tony's ever thought of playing Gally as a number 9?

Don't be daft. 

[Dreams of 1995]

8 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

there is hope for gallagher,if coyle could get him going then im`e sure any decent manager would be able to do the same,brereton i think is a lost cause,there are so many holes in his game id`e just cut my losses and move on,whoever scouted him should be banished from the game imo

I think BB has got something. He can turn and move with the ball but it’s too few and far between. His balance and finishing is pretty poor but the right coaching can work on that. He’s running out of time though. 
 

As for Gallagher we all know he can get goals because we’ve seen it! He just looks like a lost little boy atm and playing out of position isn’t going to help 

[tomphil]

3 hours ago, DeeCee said:

Wonder if Tony's ever thought of playing Gally as a number 9?

I believe he did once away at PNE  ?

He scored 2.....then went back to being shoehorned in as a right sided forward/winger/defensive wideman

[bazza]

Like Raheem Sterling. He moved from Liverpool to Man City. Once Pep got hold of him slowly but surely he changed from an 80% player to a 100% player for his club and for England.

It takes a good manager to do this. We need one. 

[AllRoverAsia]

12 hours ago, tomphil said:

Neither were what we needed at the time and the fact they are still scrabbling around loaning defenders backs that up 100%.  Throw in we still only have one reliable goal scorer as well shows how misguided it was. 

There's no hindsight to it either most said at the time 'what about defense' and it still remains unanswered properly. Rather ironic there's rumours he's under scrutiny for giving Ayala 3 years after being advised not when he's got away with the forward flops for so long.

I still don't think BB was a Mowbray signing but Gallagher most definitely looks like he is.

All of the Boro signings should be forensically examined from a footballing and financial viewpoint.

It would not take 2 of the Worlds top financial consultancies to do it either.

[tomphil]

5 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

All of the Boro signings should be forensically examined from a footballing and financial viewpoint.

It would not take 2 of the Worlds top financial consultancies to do it either.

Iv'e thought for a long time that there is a 'we bring one in, you bring one in' policy at Rovers.  Going way back before Mowbrays time.

Transfers here in and out never stack up properly at least 50% under this lot don't make sense. Not saying that because they've all turned out to be crap, they haven't but we rarely seem to get what we actually need. 

Also the dot joining can be alarming at times.  Not saying there's owt dodgy with this present one but there is 100% an old boys network at play.  Shows a manager not very confident in his recruitment if he has to keep doing that.

Still waiting for him to sign someone from Boro who ios young enough, fit enough and good enough to play every week in this league.....

[Mattyblue]

We brought in Kaminski, we had Fisher who now plays every week for MK Dons (and is doing well, by all accounts), we brought in the Greek lad... so why was Pears needed on a FOUR year deal (longer contract than I remember any new signing coming in on)?

Just like all these property coincidences, I’m sure the fact his dad has a decades old friendship and is a former teammate and member of the manager’s coaching staff, is just another...

Edited March 17, 2021 by Mattyblue

[AllRoverAsia]

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

We brought in Kaminski, we had Fisher who now plays every week for MK Dons (and is doing well, by all accounts), we brought in the Greek lad... so why was Pears needed on a FOUR year deal (longer contract than I remember any new signing coming in on)?

Just like all these property coincidences, I’m sure the fact his dad has a decades old friendship and is a former teammate and member of the manager’s coaching staff, is just another...

Please clarify as I think it's something I don't know

[Mattyblue]

1 minute ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Please clarify as I think it's something I don't know

Stephen Pears is big mates with Mowbray, they played with each other for years at Boro and he used to be TM’s goalkeeping coach too.

[JHRover]

Mowbray's signings:

Smallwood, Downing x 2, Johnson, Armstrong, Chapman, Dack, Samuel, Pears, Ayala, Douglas, Cunningham 

I don't think Mowbray Signings:

Brereton, Kaminski, Davenport, Rothwell, Braithwaite, Stergiakis, Harwood Bellis, Pickering, Adarabioyo, Dolan, Nuttall, Hart

Middle ground could be Mowbray but maybe not:

Gallagher, Holtby, Antonsson, Bell, Gladwin, Payne, Trybull

[Ulrich]

18 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Stephen Pears is big mates with Mowbray, they played with each other for years at Boro and he used to be TM’s goalkeeping coach too.

Perhaps daddy could give his son some pointers, as he is dog.

[tomphil]

5 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

We brought in Kaminski, we had Fisher who now plays every week for MK Dons (and is doing well, by all accounts), we brought in the Greek lad... so why was Pears needed on a FOUR year deal (longer contract than I remember any new signing coming in on)?

Just like all these property coincidences, I’m sure the fact his dad has a decades old friendship and is a former teammate and member of the manager’s coaching staff, is just another...

There definitely seems to be some difference between the recruitment dept and the manager on some of these.  Looks like a bit of foot stomping there from Mowbray putting one over the recruitment lot.

Should have been one or the other with the Greek lad and Pears so now we have another wage being wasted. 

[Richard Oakley]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray's signings:

Smallwood, Downing x 2, Johnson, Armstrong, Chapman, Dack, Samuel, Pears, Ayala, Douglas, Cunningham 

I don't think Mowbray Signings:

Brereton, Kaminski, Davenport, Rothwell, Braithwaite, Stergiakis, Harwood Bellis, Pickering, Adarabioyo, Dolan, Nuttall, Hart

Middle ground could be Mowbray but maybe not:

Gallagher, Holtby, Antonsson, Bell, Gladwin, Payne, Trybull

I'd missed off the signings of Lieutwiler, Smallwood, Samuel, Hart and Gladwin. Nuttall was signed for the U23s. Mowbray claimed the fans forced him to play Nuttall  - thought his U23 form forced that. He did, destroyed his confidence. Then played him again and was dropped and sold. I'd not included McBride and Hilton for the same reason - signed for the U23s. I don't include the 9 (I really wish IO could forget Walton) only signed as loans,  2 of whom were out with long term injuries. Injuries are feature of a lot of his other signings.

Mowbray claimed fan pressure forced him to play Chapman. If Mowbray listened to fans he would not persist playing Gallagher wide right.  I'd have quite liked the idea of Chapman and Dolan playing together as real wingers. If Mowbray's going to play 4231, why wouldn't McBride play as the 1? Then you'd play Nyambe alongside Lenihan and blood Pike at RB and Thompson, to see if he's worth a contract at LB.

The only two standout stars are Armstrong and Dack. The only out-and-out-duds I'd label Bell and Hart. Bell only because he wasn't and isn't what we need.

All the signings are down to Mowbray. I don't believe anybody else is forcing players on Mowbray

Edited March 17, 2021 by Richard Oakley

[Ewood Ace]

Bristol City are an 'old fashioned' team according to Mowbray. He really does think he is some sort of modern day pioneer of the game in the same mould of Guardiola. He's utterly deluded I have seen anything since Mowbray turned up at Rovers that I hadn't seen before and I have also see a hell of a lot better stuff than anything he has ever produced.

Rovers warned of 'old-fashioned' Bristol City & Palmer threat | Lancashire Telegraph

[tomphil]

Surprise surprise he's blowing up the opposition again.

[Mattyblue]

55 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Bristol City are an 'old fashioned' team according to Mowbray. He really does think he is some sort of modern day pioneer of the game in the same mould of Guardiola. He's utterly deluded I have seen anything since Mowbray turned up at Rovers that I hadn't seen before and I have also see a hell of a lot better stuff than anything he has ever produced.

Rovers warned of 'old-fashioned' Bristol City & Palmer threat | Lancashire Telegraph

Yeah, all that set-pieces and formations stuff, well out-dated...

Edited March 17, 2021 by Mattyblue