Tony Mowbray Discussion

[chaddyrovers]

42 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Another barrel load of garbage from him. Bemoaning the fact that sides sit deep against us, Cardiff did it in the 4th game of the season we didn't have an answer then and 30+ games on we still don't. Instead of moaning about it come up with some fresh ideas instead of doing the same things game after game and getting the same results. As for saying that Gallagher 'isn’t someone who historically has scored goals from crosses'. Well it's quite difficult for him to when he is the one putting the crosses in tonight for example we had the 6ft 3 Gallagher putting in crosses for the 5ft 5 Dolan. But Gallagher showed under Coyle that if played central he can score goals from crosses. 

'Find the answers' - Mowbray's verdict on Bristol City stalemate | Lancashire Telegraph

Gallagher would score goals if he plays up front and we created chances and crosses for him? 

[roversfan99]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gallagher would score goals if he plays up front and we created chances and crosses for him? 

Will never be a regular goalscorer at this level. People bang on about that season when he got 11 goals as if that was a poor season for him littered with excuses, he was young, we had Coyle etc but the way we played suited him down to the ground and his goal tally was no more than ok, and since both at Birmingham and here he has got steadily worse. 

Hes a total donkey, even worse out wide yes but not much use full stop, like the majority of this supposed asset rich squad that Mowbray has built. 

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Will never be a regular goalscorer at this level. People bang on about that season when he got 11 goals as if that was a poor season for him littered with excuses, he was young, we had Coyle etc but the way we played suited him down to the ground and his goal tally was no more than ok, and since both at Birmingham and here he has got steadily worse. 

Hes a total donkey, even worse out wide yes but not much use full stop, like the majority of this supposed asset rich squad that Mowbray has built. 

Think you wrong here. When he has played up front whether under Coyle or Mowbray he has scored goals like his goals against Preston or Stoke. 

Give him a proper run up front and he will score IMO. If Armstrong isnt going to play then play Gallagher up front or even try both as front 2 for the rest of the season. 

Yet again for me, you are way over critical of him when it's the manager fault and responsibility for playing him out of position in most games 

[booth]

2 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

As for saying that Gallagher 'isn’t someone who historically has scored goals from crosses'. Well it's quite difficult for him to when he is the one putting the crosses in tonight for example we had the 6ft 3 Gallagher putting in crosses for the 5ft 5 Dolan. But Gallagher showed under Coyle that if played central he can score goals from crosses. 

'Find the answers' - Mowbray's verdict on Bristol City stalemate | Lancashire Telegraph

“When do you put Gallagher on? Sam isn’t someone who historically hasn’t scored goals from crosses, it’s something we’re working every day on but we’re finding it more difficult to score goals with the group we’ve got.”

It's a nonsensical sentence but from those words he's actually saying the opposite, that historically Gallagher has scored goals from crosses. Apart from that I have no idea what he's trying to say or do, or the point he's trying to make. The only two things that are crystal clear are that he's blaming the players and taking no responsibility for his part in putting the team together and organising them.

The second thing is he's completely and utterly clueless.

Someone should give him a nudge and tell him that his problems are all his doing. He didn't sign defenders, he signed two duds upfront for a lot of money, he constantly plays them out of position and constantly tries to stop the opposition playing to the point of stopping his own players playing. The problem is the manager.

[Butty]

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Think you wrong here. When he has played up front whether under Coyle or Mowbray he has scored goals like his goals against Preston or Stoke. 

Give him a proper run up front and he will score IMO. If Armstrong isnt going to play then play Gallagher up front or even try both as front 2 for the rest of the season. 

Yet again for me, you are way over critical of him when it's the manager fault and responsibility for playing him out of position in most games 

I don’t massively rate Sam Gallagher but Mowbray has ruined him. I think in a 2 upfront he could get an acceptable amount of goals. Feel for him out on the wing, playing a role he’s never looked comfortable in. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Butty said:

I don’t massively rate Sam Gallagher but Mowbray has ruined him. I think in a 2 upfront he could get an acceptable amount of goals. Feel for him out on the wing, playing a role he’s never looked comfortable in. 

You are correct that Mowbray has ruined Gallagher by playing him wide regularly and not playing him in his proper position.

I think he would 10 to 15 goals if he played in proper position. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

You are correct that Mowbray has ruined Gallagher by playing him wide regularly and not playing him in his proper position.

I think he would 10 to 15 goals if he played in proper position. 

I think that's wildly optimistic.

He probably wouldn't be quite as bad up front as out wide but he's a £5m dud.

End of.

What makes it all the more criminal is that we knew already he wasn't that good from  the first time he was here, albeit he was better and looked a lot more mobile and athletic than he does now.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I think that's wildly optimistic.

He probably wouldn't be quite as bad up front as out wide but he's a £5m dud.

End of.

What makes it all the more criminal is that we knew already he wasn't that good from  the first time he was here, albeit he was better and looked a lot more mobile and athletic than he does now.

That's where I disagree that he wasn't good when he was here during his loan spell. 

Since Signing here Mowbray hasnt used him properly since joining here. He hasnt used him up front enough

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's where I disagree that he wasn't good when he was here during his loan spell. 

Since Signing here Mowbray hasnt used him properly since joining here. He hasnt used him up front enough

 

He looks to me like he's been in the gym since the first time he was here and purely imo it's turned him from an athletic and  willing runner into a lumbering waste of space.

[Cherry Blue]

Venkys must be embarrassed surely. The world knows Mowbray should have been sacked months ago yet he's still there! Even if they do get rid this week the questions will be why have you left it until now? Didn't you know he wasn't winning games?

[Mattyblue]

What’s going on with the players and results is totally normal, been 4 years, it’s got stale and they need a new voice.

At normal clubs the board/the owner would spot it and it would’ve been long nipped in the bud and a bit of momentum from a new broom lifts everybody. 

Here these things drag on and on and everyone involved just increasingly goes through the motions, the manager talks evermore nonsense as he’s run out of ideas (and knows he’d have gone already anywhere else) and the fanbase more and more apathetic.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Lucimo]

If he doesn't go this week then he is here for the rest of the season. My big fear is that after Norwich we have some fairly "easy" fixtures coming up. By which I mean they are at least 50/50 games. Only Cardiff and Bournemouth are fixtures where I would consider us to be underdogs. With these fixtures, and the fact they are pretty much dead rubbers now, I can see him collecting enough points for the owners to believe his inevitable bullshit that they have turned a corner, and to give him the opportunity to build on it next season. The only hope is whether Tony is brave enough to stand up to the fans in the stadium, because i can't see anything but hostility towards him. 

[Mattyblue]

“I spoke to Nigel (Pearson) after the game and he was impressed with the rotation of the team and the ball possession, how we stretch the backline and put the ball in the box, but ultimately there was no goals.”

“I hear every week from other managers how good our team is, but generally that is on the back of a 1-0 defeat.”

 

How pathetic is that? Like a League 2 manager after a cup tie when they’ve just had a glass of wine and been patronised by a PL manager, ‘loves how we play, does Pep’

[roversfan99]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Think you wrong here. When he has played up front whether under Coyle or Mowbray he has scored goals like his goals against Preston or Stoke. 

Give him a proper run up front and he will score IMO. If Armstrong isnt going to play then play Gallagher up front or even try both as front 2 for the rest of the season. 

Yet again for me, you are way over critical of him when it's the manager fault and responsibility for playing him out of position in most games 

You suggested yesterday that we start with Dolan up front!

I consistently berate the nonsensical tactics to which Mowbray uses but there isnt a prolific goalscorer waiting in the wings there. He had an average loan spell which is overhyped through nostalgic eyes, and even if we ignore this season, last season and at Birmingham goalscoring was alien to him. Youve picked isolated and random examples, its like me saying that Brereton could become prolific, he scored v Watford and Coventry, im not saying that Gallagher can not score the odd goal.

Last season he played quite a lot especially in the first of the season up front and in the main was shite.

We do need a new manager obviously (although ideas of one being searched for during the international break are depressingly naive) but the squad needs gutting and starting again. Mowbray has built an imbalanced rabble of rubbish that somehow managed to hoodwink people into thinking it is a top 6 squad under any manager. 

[windymiller7]

14 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

“I spoke to Nigel (Pearson) after the game and he was impressed with the rotation of the team and the ball possession, how we stretch the backline and put the ball in the box, but ultimately there was no goals.”

“I hear every week from other managers how good our team is, but generally that is on the back of a 1-0 defeat.”

 

How pathetic is that? Like a League 2 manager after a cup tie when they’ve just had a glass of wine and been patronised by a PL manager, ‘loves how we play, does Pep’

Having seen Pearson a few times in interviews after games & on Goals on Sunday etc, I have a funny feeling that he might've said that a bit tongue in cheek. That's if he'd managed to stop laughing like he was for most of the game.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Wait til he starts giving his post season post-mortum. 

"Covid"

"Injuries" 

"Most possesion" 

"How good we were at the start" 

"Dack injury" 

"Journey" 

"Other managers think we are great" 

Most of which other managers dealt with, with smaller budgets and less time at their clubs.

Mowbray out 

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[Waggy76]

It is an absolute disgrace that Mowbray is still the manager !

[gumboots]

Most, if not all,  of us on here think that.  Even on Twitter and Facebook the tide has turned or is turning but there's only one person whose opinion counts and she either doesn't know, doesn't care or thinks 'Stuff you, peasants.  I like him.' 

Edited March 18, 2021 by gumboots

[arbitro]

Mowbray is in absolute self preservation mode with his post match comments. It's becoming an insult to our intelligence now but as I have said he is making these comments for the sake of Balaji and co. On a poor run of form like ours he just doesn't have the answers and wherewithal to stop the rot. 

[Dolly blue]

Any reasonably run club would now be looking to next season....particularly with the Covid affect...

*.asking, mailing, emailing fans about their welfare and their plans for season 21/22...

* working to “ clean up “ the stadium

* asking for imput on kits 

* offering reassurance on the future of the club and the academy 

* making “ can’t resist “ offers on season tickets ( let’s make our community strong again ) 

* asking for views on what ( or who ) would make them return to Ewood

......and what have we got ? ... Nothing but The Coventry 3 who slouch on the touchline offering neither  inspiration nor perspiration 

They must be  praying there will be some brave souls left to walk through the turnstiles ....but, as it stands I really believe that many of us, even the diehard support , will have found other things to fill our Saturdays .

Come the reopening Ewood will be a mirror image of its management...tired, dated , devoid of passion, empty....a shell of what it was 

.....The Mowbray effect ....

[JacknOry]

TM also praises opposition teams before and after games - Pearson is hardly gonna say "you lot are shit". He is using politeness, professionalism and platitudes as part of his excuse now too.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

“I spoke to Nigel (Pearson) after the game and he was impressed with the rotation of the team and the ball possession, how we stretch the backline and put the ball in the box, but ultimately there was no goals.”

“I hear every week from other managers how good our team is, but generally that is on the back of a 1-0 defeat.”

 

How pathetic is that? Like a League 2 manager after a cup tie when they’ve just had a glass of wine and been patronised by a PL manager, ‘loves how we play, does Pep’

I'm sorry i hate to say it but that is straight out of Keans book of self preservation. 

Insulting to be honest.

[speeeeeeedie]

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

What’s going on with the players and results is totally normal, been 4 years, it’s got stale and they need a new voice.

At normal clubs the board/the owner would spot it and it would’ve been long nipped in the bud and a bit of momentum from a new broom lifts everybody. 

Here these things drag on and on and everyone involved just increasingly goes through the motions, the manager talks evermore nonsense as he’s run out of ideas (and knows he’d have gone already anywhere else) and the fanbase more and more apathetic.

That would seem to be the case. 4 years is a long time in football. Ferguson was an exception but he changed his back room staff regularly. Mowbray sticks with Venus. 

It's Rovers 3rd season back in the Championship and if Mowbray's "progression" is points based (which is the only metric that counts, right?) Rovers need to finish on 64 points to eclipse last season's total. 19 from 9 games. Norwich on Saturday will be a loss so it will be 19 from 8 games, which works out to needing 6 wins and a draw from those 8. That's Barnsley form. Rovers will fall short. 

[Mhead2]

1 hour ago, Dolly blue said:

Any reasonably run club would now be looking to next season....particularly with the Covid affect...

*.asking, mailing, emailing fans about their welfare and their plans for season 21/22...

* working to “ clean up “ the stadium

* asking for imput on kits 

* offering reassurance on the future of the club and the academy 

* making “ can’t resist “ offers on season tickets ( let’s make our community strong again ) 

* asking for views on what ( or who ) would make them return to Ewood

......and what have we got ? ... Nothing but The Coventry 3 who slouch on the touchline offering neither  inspiration nor perspiration 

They must be  praying there will be some brave souls left to walk through the turnstiles ....but, as it stands I really believe that many of us, even the diehard support , will have found other things to fill our Saturdays .

Come the reopening Ewood will be a mirror image of its management...tired, dated , devoid of passion, empty....a shell of what it was 

.....The Mowbray effect ....

Thanks Dolly Blue...the Rovers Trust have been invited to put forward views and ideas on "Marketing"....main message so far from us has been "Get the Season Tickets on sale by May"....maybe its not only the Coventry 3 but also the Marketing Dept that need a shake-up.

[davulsukur]

Best we can hope for now is that there is a review by Venkys and they bin him in the summer.

Hes survived this current run, so I can't see him getting binned before the summer now.

Problem is, he will use every excuse under the sun (covid, injuries, etc) as to why its been such a shit season and Venkys will likely buy it and give him another crack next season.