Tony Mowbray Discussion

[broadsword]

11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Save face. Simple as 

Can't buy this, sorry. Hardly anyone knows who we are in India, they don't live in the UK, they could just get rid of us on the qt, without too much damage being done

[Bigdoggsteel]

16 minutes ago, broadsword said:

Can't buy this, sorry. Hardly anyone knows who we are in India, they don't live in the UK, they could just get rid of us on the qt, without too much damage being done

Of course those in their business circles in India know about us. 

What other reason is there? 

[JHRover]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do the Walker's family even care about Jack's legacy now? 

Doesn't Jack Walker's daughter still live local and married to Richard Matthewman?

They sold up and went to live in Monaco a few years ago.

Don't think there are many, if any, ties between the Walker family and Blackburn these days. 

[broadsword]

5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Of course those in their business circles in India know about us. 

What other reason is there? 

They were playing about in the rubber chicken laboratory, and Barry Venky stuck his bonce in the irradiation machine for a laugh?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

3 hours ago, broadsword said:

The invites question is why do they refuse to sell us, what are they getting out of owning us? 

They're no bloody good at it, it's costing them a fortune, there's no benefit, so why hang around

Some £200 Million to see the Club relegated twice...It beggars belief.

These people must simply have money to burn but to most 'normal folk' it is pure negligence.

Edited March 22, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[JacknOry]

To clarify, Neil is nowhere near top of my list. But he is better than TM.

The end.

[RoverInverness]

4 hours ago, broadsword said:

Not sure how much fun you can have playing with a smouldering train wreck, but hey-ho.

If that's the case, I'll be popping my clogs seeing my precious club handed onto the spawn of a brain-dead walrus.

Fab.

If Balaji’s son payed attention to results or (wishing for the stars here) perhaps even attended the odd game now and then - it would be infinitely better than now.

Right now we’re like the forgotten toys in Toy Story, up on the dusty shelf with Wheezy the squeaky penguin.

I hate that a football club can be ‘owned’ in this way. This is the shit side of capitalism. The ownership of historic community institutions should be far better regulated than this. We have no God given right to be successful on the pitch anymore than any other club, but I hate that the ownership of these old clubs like ours - the clubs that actually invented the world’s most popular sport - is at the complete mercy of distant and unfathomably disinterested shysters. 

[broadsword]

1 minute ago, RoverInverness said:

If Balaji’s son payed attention to results or (wishing for the stars here) perhaps even attended the odd game now and then - it would be infinitely better than now.

Right now we’re like the forgotten toys in Toy Story, up on the dusty shelf with Wheezy the squeaky penguin.

I hate that a football club can be ‘owned’ in this way. This is the shit side of capitalism. The ownership of historic community institutions should be far better regulated than this. We have no God given right to be successful on the pitch anymore than any other club, but I hate that the ownership of these old clubs like ours - the clubs that actually invented the world’s most popular sport - is at the complete mercy of distant and unfathomably disinterested shysters. 

Yeah, I'm with you all the way there. It makes me sick. 

[Tormund]

Forgive my ignorance but how old is Balaji’s son? 

[tomphil]

15 minutes ago, RoverInverness said:

If Balaji’s son payed attention to results or (wishing for the stars here) perhaps even attended the odd game now and then - it would be infinitely better than now.

Right now we’re like the forgotten toys in Toy Story, up on the dusty shelf with Wheezy the squeaky penguin.

I hate that a football club can be ‘owned’ in this way. This is the shit side of capitalism. The ownership of historic community institutions should be far better regulated than this. We have no God given right to be successful on the pitch anymore than any other club, but I hate that the ownership of these old clubs like ours - the clubs that actually invented the world’s most popular sport - is at the complete mercy of distant and unfathomably disinterested shysters. 

He did turn up once and was treated to a 5 star performance.  Proves they are coasting it here most of the rest of the time. Send the boy home happy once in a while and everything is fine by the looks of it.

That's the beauty of a high priced toy, it's there and it works fine when you want to play with it. Then when you can't be arsed you're not really bothered where it is or if it works or not.

[Exiled_Rover]

11 hours ago, broadsword said:

“I don’t think it was too different from what we’ve been doing every week, yet we’ve been losing 1-0 and we could have lost that 1-0 had Sam not headed that one into the net, and the questions would have kept coming about how we haven’t won enough football matches"

 

But since we drew the game, there won't be any questions about how we're not winning enough? 

 

🤔

🤔 🤔 

what is this flipping maniac smoking? 

He's like a sulky teenager - it's all someone else's fault. 

[Paul Mani]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Isnt their record signing still David Healy? I am guessing that their new record signing is Whiteman who you are particularly transfixed with at the moment but there was no mention of him breaking their transfer record when he signed.

Him having more money than previous PNE managers is irrelevant, what is relevant is that his budget compared to the vast majority of teams in the league has been incredibly small, so a top 6 finish was always less realistic.

Neil has done more in the Championship than Mowbray with less money, always finishing above him and being far more competitive in being within the top 6 a few times. Things have gotten stale in the last year coinciding with a number of players having contractual issues and to clarify, this should in no way be a valid reason for appointing a manager therefore Neil wouldnt be more choice but he would be a notable upgrade on Mowbray.

Neil is a dud and his transfer business has been even worse. We can do so much better than him. 

[roversfan99]

19 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Neil is a dud and his transfer business has been even worse. We can do so much better than him. 

Can we do better than him? I would say so and hope so. But is he a "dud" based on the job he has done at Preston? Not for me at all. Theyve been consistently better than us in these last few years.

[Tormund]

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Can we do better than him? I would say so and hope so. But is he a "dud" based on the job he has done at Preston? Not for me at all. Theyve been consistently better than us in these last few years.

Agreed, he’s miles better than what we’ve got.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Neil is a dud and his transfer business has been even worse. We can do so much better than him. 

Finished one point and three points above us the last two seasons though with way less financial latitude so if he's a dud, what does that make our guy?

[tomphil]

The Neil thing were i was concerned started a while back just before we got our 1 in 12.  Whilst the calls grew louder for change so did the 'but who can we get' replies as a host of bigger names got scoffed at.

So it was a fair enough comment to suggest having a look at others in this league who were doing well on less resources. And had decent recent track records instead of the usual scrapheap challenge.

Looking at someone like Neil was perfectly realistic and he would have been surely interested in listening at least. 

A promotion within the last decade, keeping a smaller club with less resources and budgets batting at the right end and out doing the likes of Rovers season on season. All made him or someone like him a logic choice for what many might just see as a sideways step but a change for the right reasons.

All that though was based on a change in summer but his stock has fallen a bit now. There'll be plenty reasons for that just like there's a few contributed to the bad season here. We are still though far better equipped than them and if we do finish above them it's probably because they've made the wrong choice, says it all really.

Wouldn't be right bringing him in now though as he'll likely need a break from it all. We need to set our sights higher but more than likely we'll stay as we are and he'll turn up somewhere else next season taking points of us.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Can we do better than him? I would say so and hope so. 

Who are these better managers then? Can you name these? 

[47er]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who are these better managers then? Can you name these? 

Here's a few suggestions Chaddy-----from you!!

 

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Posted yesterday at 06:39 (edited)

Here are some British managers/head coaches we could target to replace Mowbray before next season

Unemployed people:-

• Chris Wilder
• Mark Hughes
• Alex Neil
• Alan Pardew
• Garry Monk
• Neil Harris
• Tony Pulis
• Mark Bowen

Employed people but some realistic targets in my opinion

• Mark Robins from Coventry
• Gareth Ainsworth from Wycombe
• Ryan Lowe from Plymouth
• David Artell from Crewe
• Karl Robinson from Oxford
• Gary Rowett from Millwall
• Callum Davidson from St. Johnstone
• Lee Carsley, England Under 20's manager 

Here are some Foreign managers/head coaches we could target to replace Mowbray before next season(dont know whether they would be interested as I don't follow European football much)

• Marco Silva, former Everton, Watford and Hull head coach
• Bruno Lage, former Benfica head coach
• Vladimir Ivic, Former Watford head coach
• David Wagner, Former Huddersfield head coach

 

What do people think and feel free to suggestion potential targets in you have any. Thanks

[Ulrich]

Since we seemed to have reached a census, can we rename the thread the TM statement.

[davulsukur]

On 21/03/2021 at 10:30, J*B said:

There’s people on this site that are 10 years deep into investigating Venkys and Rovers. @glen9mullanspent years looking at it, ending with his family being targeted with the club. @Kamy100has been working alongside journalists for the best part of a decade and has some really shocking stories of threats he’s had. If they’re at a 7 or 8 on ‘the truth of Venkys time at Rovers’ scale, I would describe myself as at 3. And by that all I mean is I understand how the business works. For the sake of transparency, I’ve put it below:

Venkys

They’re absolutely wadded - Billions on top of Billions, mostly through the chicken business set up by their father, but they’ve also personally made a tonne of money buying land around India, which has significantly gone up in value.   
Rovers is Balaji’s investment. He loves the idea of investing in interesting businesses. He owns a football club, a music production company, a film company. Those are the circles he enjoys to be in. His son is very interested in Rovers and one day, the plan is for it to be his. 
 

Venkys Staff involved at Rovers

Suhail Pasha, who has worked for the family since 2009 in a whole host of roles. He started off relatively low in the business but has done well and now has Balaji’s support. He does a whole host of jobs but is trusted to run Balaji’s investments and make decisions on his behalf. He’s well trusted and in the inner circle. He is currently living in the area and running Rovers, reporting directly back to Balaji. 

Gandhi Babu, he works between Zurich and Pune and manages Balaji’s group of investments of which Rovers is one. He’s trusted by Balaji and reports back to him on the progress of his investments individually and as a group. If you have a business and want investment from Venkys, you speak to Babu who decides whether it is worth it and if so, recommends it back up the ladder. 

Rovers management 

Balaji trusts Mowbray because he thinks he’s honest. He’s been stung before by people taking advantage and he doesn’t think Mowbray is doing. So he has his support. 

To fulfil EFL requirements you must have someone they deem to be up to standard as CEO and FD. Mowbray was asked for recommendations on who could fit these roles, in came Waggott as CEO. They fulfil their obligations within the club but ultimately Waggott reports to Pasha and Cheston reports to Babu. Key decisions (from money to on the pitch) are taken by Pasha and Babu. 

Absolute nightmare fuel.

No end to the Venky reign of terror in sight.

[Ben Frost]

2 hours ago, Ulrich said:

Since we seemed to have reached a census, can we rename the thread the TM statement.

That was yesterday 

[47er]

On 23/03/2021 at 06:30, RoverInverness said:

If Balaji’s son payed attention to results or (wishing for the stars here) perhaps even attended the odd game now and then - it would be infinitely better than now.

 

The only chance we have got imo.

Balaji won't sell nor will he involve himself in the club to gain the knowledge and experience needed. Doesn't worry about the money lost---plenty more where that came from. Buy something else and move on.

A spoit brat who wouldn't understand how we fans have invested so much of our lives in this great old club, often with family connections going back generations. 

His son has been schooled here and lives here now. Maybe, just maybe, he can develop affection for the club he'll be handed on a plate. I don't expect to be around when and if it happens, however let's hope there's enough fans left to see it.

[tomphil]

Well it was a few years ago that i spoke to this lad on social media as at the time he was engaging with a few people. He was only young obviously but his attitude reflected what we all suspect and see anyway.

Basically he could see no wrong in what was going on - this was in the crazy days - but acknowledged things needed to settle down. He then just said people needn't worry because his family had the wealth to see it through.

Probably another 50 million gone down the pan since then so he wasn't wrong. Sadly though the too much wealth seems part of the problem. It's created a midtable monster than has the appetite of a top club but the direction of a hamster wheel.

Round and round we go and i wouldn't hold much hope of this lad making any difference. It's still just a handy loss making toy to play with and fire surplus money through. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Well it was a few years ago that i spoke to this lad on social media as at the time he was engaging with a few people. He was only young obviously but his attitude reflected what we all suspect and see anyway.

Basically he could see no wrong in what was going on - this was in the crazy days - but acknowledged things needed to settle down. He then just said people needn't worry because his family had the wealth to see it through.

Probably another 50 million gone down the pan since then so he wasn't wrong. Sadly though the too much wealth seems part of the problem. It's created a midtable monster than has the appetite of a top club but the direction of a hamster wheel.

Round and round we go and i wouldn't hold much hope of this lad making any difference. It's still just a handy loss making toy to play with and fire surplus money through. 

Has anyone explained how a "handy loss making toy" works? 

Not saying it's not the case, I just can't believe it's anything less than being inept. I don't think it's some plan to wash money, I think they just aren't very good football club owners. 

[47er]

12 minutes ago, tomphil said:

i wouldn't hold much hope of this lad making any difference

I said he was the only hope we had so you're saying we have no hope---and I'm quite inclined to believe that.