Tony Mowbray Discussion

[tomphil]

1 minute ago, Hasta said:

Stop thinking your Frank Beckenbaur every time the opposition play a ball over the top?

That's what the manager expects of him though, it'll be fook all to do with Benson either way.

[Hasta]

44 minutes ago, tomphil said:

That's what the manager expects of him though, it'll be fook all to do with Benson either way.

Yeah was just being facetious.

I think that's just him to be fair. I get the feeling it would be difficult to try and stop him doing it. My player of the year by a mile.

Anyway we digress.

Anyone gone yet?

Edited April 7, 2021 by Hasta

[tomphil]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I think Benson has been coaching at the club since 2015 so is no longer a novice.

Good old Johnno may have been a decent player but he is listed as being the Technical Coach and Head Player Development so can hardly be absolved from the disappointments on the pitch - if only he had been as successful as Ben Benson.

By the looks of it as well as the confused look on Mowbrays face he's quite simply installed too many cooks.

Stats are taking over the game and he's thinking he's pioneering that so everybody is running around with a clipboard. 

Your attempts to smear Johnson and divert away from the REAL problem are rather obvious and a bit sad really. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, tomphil said:

By the looks of it as well as the confused look on Mowbrays face he's quite simply installed too many cooks.

Stats are taking over the game and he's thinking he's pioneering that so everybody is running around with a clipboard. 

Your attempts to smear Johnson and divert away from the REAL problem are rather obvious and a bit sad really. 

I have no intention of smearing anyone. I responded to what I thought was very unfair criticism of Ben Benson. Good old Johnno gets a free pass on here because he is a popular former player whereas Benson is not. But I can see no reason for getting rid of Benson.

[simongarnerisgod]

37 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

It's a fallacy to believe that someone has to have played at a high level to be a good coach.

Not sure why you have something against Benson. He is the goalkeeping coach - the one area of the team where there has been visible improvement this season. It is a pity that the other coaches like Lowe and Johnson have not had the same impact.

he`s never played the game,so how can he relate to coaching professionals,frankly it would be impossible not to improve,seeing as we had walton in the nets last year,there was`nt exactly an improvement with him,in fact he got worse as the season progressed

iv`e nothing against him,im`e sure he`s a nice fellow,it`s just a symptom of the current regime and ambition that we have to employ a coach who`s at the bottom of the barrel

 

[mustard]

12 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Yeah was just being facetious.

Inthink that's just him to be fair. I get the feeling it would be difficult to try and stop him doing it. My player of the year by a mile.

Anyway we digress.

Anyone gone yet?

Thanks to TM and co, I've gone mad, if that counts 🤷‍♂️

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

But I can see no reason for getting rid of Benson.

To be fair if you were judging it based purely on results, EVERYONE on the coaching staff should have been through the door some time ago.

You're just fishing as always.

[tomphil]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I have no intention of smearing anyone. I responded to what I thought was very unfair criticism of Ben Benson. Good old Johnno gets a free pass on here because he is a popular former player whereas Benson is not. But I can see no reason for getting rid of Benson.

Benson and Lowe are just collateral damage of the way the club is now run. Both iv'e no doubt work hard and do their best but really shouldn't be near a team that supposedly has promotion aspirations.

Mowbray inherited both and kept them either because he had to or by his own judgement.  I'll always remain a little skeptical of the moving of Johnson into the first team fold. Either way though he'd proven himself a very useful asst to the club with his management of the U23s.

It looks from the outside like they moved him and created a position for him. Odd really when he was doing so well where he was.  And how much does Mowbrays backroom team cost the club now ?

Benson. Lowe, Johnson, Venus, himself, drones, drone pilots, analytical staff the list goes on and on.  Then they penny pinch in the physio and medical depts.

It's not good, i doubt it's all really needed and it's all on Mowbrays doorstep.  Yet form on niggles and knocks and bringing back players before they are ready is worse than ever before.

Sooner he's gone the better before he clogs up the entire club.

[Swanson]

But there haven't been anything on either the rovers homepage or LT ? Not from the players or Mowbray for two days now ? When is the press conference ahead of the Cardiff game ?

[JHRover]

I'm not convinced Mowbray had much say in Lowe and Benson. He got the job because he was willing to work with them after the Coyle exodus, and just kept them on since then. Remember Coyle got the job on the proviso he was working with Kelly and Irvine, but both then got jobs elsewhere conviently opening up vacancies for his mates to come in. 

Says it all that the only changes to his coaching staff since the day he arrived have been to bring in his ever present deputy/assistant/head of football/director who seems to have his fingers in plenty of pies and more jobs than is possible to fulfil, and to promote Jonno from the reserves.

I've no real idea how good or bad Lowe and Benson are at their jobs. I do know they've scant other experience managing or coaching to a high level. Promote from within is the mantra at this club and I think that applies irrespective of abilities or ambitions.

Serious managerial appointments result in not just managers but coaching staff too. That needs to happen with the next bloke otherwise it will be the same voices on the training ground. It needs refreshing.

It isn't normal to have the same staff in place through managerial change. But then £££ and convenience are the motivation rather than what is best from a football perspective this is what happens.

[rigger]

43 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Stop thinking your Frank Beckenbaur every time the opposition play a ball over the top?

Who the fuck is Frank Beckenbaur, Is he the brother of Franz

[Hasta]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

Who the fuck is Frank Beckenbaur, Is he the brother of Franz

Predictive text at its finest 😁

[roverandout]

3 minutes ago, rigger said:

Who the fuck is Frank Beckenbaur, Is he the brother of Franz

Frank de boer and Beckenbauer's adopted son

[DeeCee]

2 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Cheese butty. I would never give a pork pie away. There's a line Deecee!

Don't know what your missing, broaden your horizons 😂

[oldjamfan1]

2 hours ago, windymiller7 said:

What do you mean....look at the evidence - top players! 🤣 (that's Mourinho bottom right btw)

 

C’mon now we have all played for them (far right, back row - about ten minutes before I had a heart attack 😂)

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I really don't understand your obsession with appointing a Director of Football Chaddy.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. A recipe for disaster with said Director at complete loggerheads with the manager.

Let's appoint the best manager we can and leave him in full charge of all footballing matters. Let's appoint the best Coach of his choice we can to assist him and Let's appoint the best CEO we can, (most definitely NOT the choice of the manager) to run the Club behind the scenes.

Its can a disaster but just look successful its been for Norwich. Alot of PL clubs have then. 

We have a manager now in charge of footballing matters and the recruitment of players has been appalling to be fair, the manager isn't accountable to anyone at the club 

I think we would be better served with director of football operations and head coach who he selects. Also a lot of foreign head coaches aren't used to be in charge of signings or even involved in recruitment. 

Plus with a DoF in place its allow that head coach to focus on the training and tactics on the field and get results right. 

It's all depends on whether we could get Wilder or Hughes in who wouldn't a DoF in place or an coach who wants that in place 

[perthblue02]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think we would be better served with director of football operations and head coach who he selects.

Like Anderson and Kean?

[47er]

3 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Yes - and Bill Belichick, the most successful NFL coach in history, never played the game after the age of 23.

Dare I mention Woy?!!!

[Sparks Rover]

55 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

C’mon now we have all played for them (far right, back row - about ten minutes before I had a heart attack 😂)

Bloody ell.  Micky Quinn back left , Lee Bowyer front left and David May front right....Good team....pity about Dominic Littlewood back right 🙄

[RevidgeBlue]

54 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It's all depends on whether we could get Wilder or Hughes in who wouldn't a DoF in place or an coach who wants that in place 

Yes, I was going to make the same sort of point that Waggott for example could legitimately describe himself as an experienced football administrator so how do you know your DOF is going to be any better than Waggott?

Would you want someone like Waggott dictating to someone like Hughes who they can and can't buy?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, perthblue02 said:

Like Anderson and Kean?

Look at Webber and Farke successful setup in director of footbal/head coach structure 

40 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Yes, I was going to make the same sort of point that Waggott for example could legitimately describe himself as an experienced football administrator so how do you know your DOF is going to be any better than Waggott?

Would you want someone like Waggott dictating to someone like Hughes who they can and can't buy?

Look at Norwich City or Brentford with their director of football like Stuart Webber or Phil Giles of successful director of football/head coach.

Waggott isnt a director of football operations tho. I would sack him too with Mowbray and Venus. 

We give Mowbray full control of football matters, 20 millions in fees, plus wages and in 3 seasons we aren't better off. 

[RevidgeBlue]

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We give Mowbray full control of football matters, 20 millions in fees, plus wages and in 3 seasons we aren't better off. 

I agree on Mowbray, you have to appoint the right manager with  boundless enthusiasm and a keen eye for a player. i

We haven't got that. However if you do have it I can't see what benefit a Director of Football brings.

It's all very well citing the success of two blokes from Norwich and Brentford with hindsight. I've never heard of them and haven't a clue what their respective backgrounds are or whether they were highly regarded before they took up those roles. How do you know a DOF is going to be any good before they start?

I'd say the ultimate DOF type Club where the Coach is pretty expendable is Watford. Would you say they were particularly successful? 

I'd say not and would label them a bit of a basket case of a Club albeit they're doing far better than us which speaks volumes as to the situation here.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's all very well citing the success of two blokes from Norwich and Brentford with hindsight. I've never heard of them and haven't a clue what their respective backgrounds are or whether they were highly regarded before they took up those roles. How do you know a DOF is going to be any good before they start?

You never heard of Stuart Webber? Was at Huddersfield when they got promoted under Wagner. Left Them for Norwich where he has 1 promotion achieved and set for another one. He appointed Farke there aswell. I have posted different articles and videos on him. 

Maybe by their background in previous Direction of football roles. We have director of football like Simon Hunt and Paul Senior before never give them the power to make decisions or time. 

Like at WBA who has Luke Dowling as director of football who was here as Head of recruitment under Appleton..

[lraC]

5 hours ago, perthblue02 said:

Like Anderson and Kean?

At least Anderson worked for free!!!!!!

[perthblue02]

51 minutes ago, lraC said:

At least Anderson worked for free!!!!!!

you put a r between the f and e by mistake